Reply #39: As I pointed out, the extended family is still part of your support group

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And what obligations the extended family to someone has always been a subject of the law. The Modern welfare state has weaken the duties of the extended family, but not outlawed it (In fact, in many states you have to state that you tried to get help from all other sources including relatives before you can apply for welfare). This duty of support, while no longer any near what it was 100 years ago, still exists and to extend who that extended family has to support is expanded is a harm to the extended family, thus you have a victim.

Most people nowadays do not want to recognize their have LEGAL duties to their relatives but such obligations still exists (Through rarely enforced by law anymore) and as such you have a "victim".

Secondary, I mention theft, murder and perjury in the Ten Commandments but NOT adultery to show that just because something is a religious dogma, does NOT mean there is no secular argument for the ban. My intention was to show that there is a secular argument for the ban, you may not like that argument but it does exist and it will be the reason any court upholds such a ban NOT any religious justification.