Morning Joe showed footage of some disturbiing signs at the WI protest.

[CTyankee]

Comparisons of Walker to Hitler and Stalin and one that showed Walker in a gunsight as a target.

Is this real or has it been faked?

If it is real, can't folks be counseled about the dangers of the press making it look like we're doing what we complain about the baggers doing? Not to shut anyone up, just a word to the wise...

I'm equally suspicious that these signs could very well be a "set up," that a Breitbart deal has been pulled...

Nowadays you can't be too sure...

[TomClash]

1. I'll put my money on "faked"

They're losing the fight. Violence will be next.

[meegbear]

2. Real signs / fake protesters ...

get themselves on camera to discredit workers. I'm sure faux has them as well and showing 'em every chance they can.

[FourScore]

31. Yep. I agree. n/t

[donheld]

34. Bet you're right

Tea baggers trying to discredit the whole protest.

[RegieRocker]

44. Ayep

[Bunny]

3. Almost certainly fake.

[The Straight Story]

4. well, there were some signs during the bush years comparing him to hitler, etc

Seems whichever side is in power condemns actions and then uses those same actions when not in power.

[Bandit]

15. Right everyone knows Liberals and Conservatives are exactly the same..

Both use the exact same techniques...Liberals are just hate mongers exactly like Conservatives...:crazy:

[The Straight Story]

17. Nice try, but stick to the topic: hitler signs - both sides use them. Both sides also drink beer

Because both sides drink beer does not make them the same.

Holding up signs comparing a politician you dislike to hitler, then saying it is wrong when someone compares your guy to hitler is a bit... hypocritical.

[shraby]

5. There was an article from a teabagger just recently stating

they wanted to make the WI protestors look bad. This is probably part and parcel of it.

[justiceischeap]

23. Here's the link to that article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x615997

[socialist_n_TN]

33. Exactly. It's no coincidence that these signs show up............

within 24/48 hours AFTER the Teabaggers say that they're going to do whatever they can to make the protesters look bad. In addition, they're all over the MOST RW television shows around.

SURE it's just coincidence! :sarcasm:

[Joanne98]

6. Of course he did. Did he ever show the teabags nasty signs? NO!

I dispise that show!

[still_one]

7. does it really matter what the corporate media report? when the racist teabaggers presented their

hate, very little criticism was exercised by the wonderful "objective, libural" media here

I don't watch the MSM, and I get my news from reading or Bloomberg

[elias49]

8. Whether set up or just someone taking pictures of the fringe

I don't think it worked. I saw some of that footage just twice. But it's not being hammered on over and over. I think someone realized that that bit of propaganda just wasn't going to fly.

[CTyankee]

12. They showed it yesterday and today and I think they'll continue to do so.

It's part of their "each side does it" scenario.

That's why I am suspicious...

Can anyone who is attending the protest find out?

[deminks]

9. They also played the entire "doctors signing excuses" thingy from CNN

in it's entirety without comment on the Morning Jerk coming back from commercial. See Crooks and Liars for a debunking of that little bogus moment.

To Breitbart = to gin up controversy through fake, staged, heavily edited and manipulated film.

[CTyankee]

13. Do you have a C & L link?

[deminks]

27. Here ya go.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/wisconsin-protesters-breitbarted-over-bogus

[Riftaxe]

28. I believe the poster you are responding to

is referring to
http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/wisconsin-protesters-breitbarted-over-bogus">Wisconsin Protesters Breitbarted Over Bogus Teachers' Excuses

I am not sure how much it debunks anything, but it does name the Doctor in the video in a circumlocutious manner, which is more then what I had previously had seen.

[CJCRANE]

10. Didn't the teabaggers already announce

that they were going to infiltrate the protests with fake signs?

I'm sure I saw a few threads here on DU about it.

They said that even if the signs were debunked later it didn't matter.

[Jackpine Radical]

24. Yes they did, and here they are.

[Tansy_Gold]

11. I believe there were signs stating that Hitler did abolish trade unions.

As far as I know, that is historical fact, and the comparison to Wanker's actions is certainly not inappropriate.



TG, TT

[mmonk]

14. Correct. There were signs aluding to that historical fact.

Reality for all the Glenn Beck fans looking in.

[Dappleganger]

16. Fascism is fascism.

I don't have a problem with the truth of that sign.

[CTyankee]

18. Neither do I, but I wish we could have someone on that show SAY it!

If it is an "unpleasant" truth, then say that really, really LOUD.

[WhiteTara]

19. bet money this is a set up, not necessarily a fake

agent provocateurs would be one way of saying it.

[pwb]

20. People like the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch brought Hitler to power

Keep it up fellas, don't think Americans haven't noticed.

[Javaman]

21. Agent provocateurs. nt

[Jackpine Radical]

22. Agents Provocateur.

It was bound to happen.

The proper response is for more responsible members of the crowd to politely but firmly remove the signs. You don't fight them for the signs, but if they refuse to surrender them, you surround them with picketers saying something like "This person is a Walker Double Agent" or "Hired Troublemaker" or something like that & follow them around.

[Tansy_Gold]

25. should people remove signs pointing out that Hitler abolished unions?

Are we so afraid of comparing Wanker to Hitler -- even though Wanker is attempting to do exactly what Hitler did -- that we are afraid of the truth?

TG, TT

[Jackpine Radical]

26. I don't think so.

I'm only concerned with anything threatening violence or aimed to outrage the public.

"Hitler abolished trade unions" is just a history lesson on a signboard as far as I'm concerned.

[SDuderstadt]

32. Yes, because...

it's based upon the "fallacy of division", in other words, it infers that because Walker and Hitler share a characteristic, that means they must share other more sinister characteristics.

Walker is an idiot and what he is doing is wrong on so many different levels. That doesn't make him Hitler. We really ought to leave these kinds of tactics to the Tea Party and roundly ridicule them for it.

[Jackpine Radical]

35. I don't think the Hitler sign particularly advances the cause.

On the other hand, I don't think I'd make a big deal about removing it. The blowback form attempted censorship might be worse than the effect of the sign.

[SDuderstadt]

36. I think that sign makes us look stupid...

however, I said nothing about censoring it.

[socialist_n_TN]

38. Not surprisingly, we disagree.........

:) WHY in the world would an historical FACT make us look stupid? Wouldn't a fact (a TRUE statement) be the OPPOSITE of stupid? Wouldn't it be smart?

Now I am talking about just a statement, not adding an opinion. STATEMENT: The first thing Hitler did was outlaw Unions. OPINION ADDED: Walker=Hitler because he's trying to outlaw Unions.

[SDuderstadt]

39. It's rather stupid to deny that's the...

inference.

You may think it's a clever tactic, but you fail to see the inherent problems. In fact, didn't the Tea Party try to create a false comparison between Obama and Hitler over healthcare reform? Just because someone has the right to do something stupid, doesn't mean they have to do something stupid.

Many people can't see the forest for the trees. Forget the trees, it seems like you can't see the forest for the leaves.

[socialist_n_TN]

45. OK what about a sign reading........

"First they came for the trade unionists." Would that be stupid to you? Hitler is not even mentioned.

BTW, the Tea Party signs comparing Obama to Hitler over HCR were an out and out lie. The FACT that Hitler first came after the trade unionists is the truth. Well, mostly. The actual FIRST people he came after were the Communists/socialists, but the trade unionists were AMONG the first. The difference between a TRUE comparison and a false one seems to be a pretty damn big leaf to me.

[calimary]

56. Like that one a lot.

One spotted by a friend of mine who posted on Facebook:

My favorite sign from WIsconsin: "If YOU WANT REPUBLICANS TO CARE ABOUT YOU, REMAIN A FETUS!"

Now that one I LOVE!

[socialist_n_TN]

57. Remain a fetus. That is a good one..............

A little too late for most of us though.

[SDuderstadt]

64. Dude...

Hitler didn't simply abolish unions. Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested.

What Walker is trying to do is absolutely reprehensible, but he is, in no way, comparable to Hitler.

[Blue_In_AK]

47. Exactly.

The first two words that popped into my mind.

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. imagine someone quoting the most extreme comments on DU and then saying "see that's what Democrats -

or at least the left of the Democratic Party REALLY believes!"


"There is no need to look for conspiracy - when stupidity is the most likely explanation."


This doesn't require agent provocateurs or trolls or plants or anything of the sort. Within ANY cause or ANY movement of ANY sort or ANY kind - not even just political movements - but ANY cause or belief system oriented group of ANY kind - there are going to be certain embarrassing elements. This is unavoidable.

It is inevitable that some of those hostile to any group of any kind are going to include some intellectually dishonest elements like Joe Scarborough who will try to tar the entire group or movement with the most offensive comments of the most extreme elements. This is also unavoidable.

I don't know that there is much that any group can do about that except to keep to their real message and make their real message clear and understandable and to keep repeating it over and over and over again.

[Jackpine Radical]

37. Considering that one band of Teabaggers has already announced

their intentions of doing exactly this, and the "Crosshairs" sign is one of their examples, perhaps you're being a bit dismissive.

Anyway, I think the proper response is the one I suggested: Ask them to remove the sign, and if they don't, surround them with "Walker's Stooge" type signs. The right isn't the only side that can play at theatre here.

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. oh I'm sure it happens. Of course. But just as most outrageous comments

made here on DU are not being made by trolls or agent provocateurs any more than over-the-top members of a church group are secret agents sent to discredit them. The vast majority of outrageous comments and public displays are being made by overzealous true believers. This happens in all groups of all types - all the time.

Then again - just as DU mods may delete or ban the most offensive post or posters - it may be appropriate to try ask people not to display signs that clearly alienate the public.

[Jackpine Radical]

41. Well, sure. I think the sign monitoring needs to happen

regardless of the intentions of their displayers. I'm advocating nothing stronger than expressions of peer-group disapproval as a control mechanism.

[socialist_n_TN]

46. It is a GREAT idea Jack..........

I hope we can make it happen.

[AngryAmish]

30. It's a mistranslation.

[Stinky The Clown]

42. This the kind of stunt anthropologist wannabes from a certain cave frequented by conservatives .....

.... would do, if only so they could discuss it amongst themselves.

Oh My.

I find myself not karin much for what people not good enough to be actual freepers have to say.

:hi:

[Stinky The Clown]

43. Man, you guyz are real sharp

All that noticin' y'all do.

Heyup :hi:

Wutta dandi liddle ballyhoo, all wiggly and wiggums.

The smoking girl . . . how much to make a wish to seem as such, huh?

Heh heh heh

Nyuk nyuk

[Stinky The Clown]

54. The buzz is getting buzzier

Horny and probie join the swarm, lots of cleveritude ensues.

Yet they're just another swarm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvjmyOAmP60&feature=related



Nyuk nyuk.

[Stinky The Clown]

55. Oh My

Widdle Wiggie saw wisitors. Woot Woot.

And Gawy . . . . figuwed out da code aww by himsewf.

Such sharp little tacks in that drawer.

:snort:

[Stinky The Clown]

58. I would never . . .

. . . . make ya rich, Malph. You gotta get a job and work for that, ya deadbeat.

HornyRand, seriously, may you live your life lucky enough that "Special Olympics" can remain a joke to you. Shame on you. I thought even your type wouldn't stoop that low.

But there ya go again.

[Stinky The Clown]

59. Hey airhead

A wart on a chicken's ass? You think of that all by yourself or did you need help?

That was pure comic genius.

[Stinky The Clown]

60. Buh bye, girls.

Its been fun.

Toodles!

[ClassWarrior]

48. THREAD FROM YESTERDAY: Disgraced ex-Tea Party leader Mark Williams plans to infiltrate SEIU Rallies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=471289&mesg_id=471289

NGU.

[Modern_Matthew]

49. Faked or not...

Both sides of the political spectrum have a habit of using extreme actions to attack EVERYONE associated with the individual perpetrating those actions.

It's childish.

[Matariki]

52. "Even if it becomes known that we are plants the quotes and pictures will linger as defacto truth"

False equivalence.

These idiots are WAY too obvious.

[Cleita]

50. I don't think it was the union people because I read

their directives right here on DU that specifically asked people not to have signs with Hitler or Nazi comparisons on it. My thoughts are that they are disruptors much like our internet trolls who pretend to be with you while they make you look bad. They are probably paid by the Koch backed Tea Baggers as well. I wouldn't be surprised, anyway. Leave it up to dead intern Joe to find the few signs in 70,000 to put on the TeeVee.

[Matariki]

51. "Even if it becomes known that we are plants the quotes and pictures will linger as defacto truth"

They are so fucking obvious.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x465625

[Matariki]

53. Oh yeah - and leave it to 'morning joe' to get right on this 'story'.

:eyes:

[Generic Other]

61. self delete

[democracy1st]

62. I wonder if they showed the teaparty signs?

[upi402]

63. Planted, soooo like them n/t