Curveball should mean strike three for Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Tenet, et al.

[Octafish]

These turds who lied America into war should be in prison for life.



And don't forget those who told the truth to stop them, like John Kokal.

[corpseratemedia]

1. the magnitude of the complacency is astonishing

To me it an underlying factor as to why the ME is now an overflowing boiling kettle. No one has been brought to justice for this monstrous lie.

[Octafish]

3. They hate us for our warmongers.

Bush Family War Profiteering

[baldguy]

2. GOP apologists keep saying "We should investigate the CIA over Curveball..."

But Curveball's lies weren't promoted by the CIA - they were promoted by the Pentagon & the White House.

[Octafish]

4. They want to frame the debate and help us miss the point.

This isn't a question of bad intel. It's government officials INVENTING intel in order to "justify" war.

As British WMD expert David Kelly knew, intelligence from a defector is the least reliable.

[noise]

44. Defining deviancy down

After a while the public becomes accustomed to corrupt, unaccountable government.

One of the most damaging propaganda successes has been the association of super patriotism with outrageous criminal conduct. One of the best examples is Iran Contra and the Reagan administration's self righteous defense of their conduct. In the Bush 43 years the playbook was dusted off and once again Executive Branch corruption was spun as the height of patriotism.

[Octafish]

49. Liz Cheney Jr. ties to this story throug NESA...

Cheney's daughter Elizabeth, works in NESA

from DUer Unknown Known:

under Shulsky and Luti. If Kokal worked in this group, then, as far as I'm concerned, this was no suicide. With the heat on from the Senate Intelligence committee about pre-war intelligence, Kokal's death stinks to high heaven!

C) Elizabeth Cheney, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs

(1) Daughter of the Vice President Dick Cheney.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/wot/iraq/office_of_special_plans.html

KOKAL, JOHN J INR/NESA [phone]

http://foia.state.gov/alphalisting/alpha_print.asp?letter=K


Absolutely incredible. And we continue and people salute the Bush and give Nixon's henchman a medal.

[noise]

55. It should also be noted that Liz Cheney

is involved in the group Keep America Safe. AFAICT it is basically a fearmongering platform intended to defend the illegal Bush era counterterrorism policies. What is notable is the way Liz Cheney likes to accuse her critics of being unpatriotic, soft on terror, etc. One would think she would have a serious credibility problem due to things like 9/11, the invasion of Iraq, torture, war profiteering, etc.

[hulka38]

5. What will it take

for America to say, we want to know what really happened here? What does it say about the Democratic Party that it won't investigate this matter? Where is the leadership of this country? Why isn't anyone explaining why it's important to understand the true story behind the Iraq War? It's another can't miss symptom of how sick our political system is.

[Octafish]

6. Where is the integrity?

Where are those in a position of authority who give a damn? Where are the jurists? Where are the political leaders? Where are the intellectuals? Where are the academics? Almost to a man, they are AWOL.

One important exception being Glenn Greenwald: The definition of a "two-tiered justice system"



We've known it was a lie from Day One. It took a while for the 90-plus percent Smirko approval to get down to the natural 28-percent that are too stupid to reason level: False Pretenses.

[leftstreet]

7. I miss the old days of Congressional investigations, a Justice Dept...

things like that

:-(

[Octafish]

11. The last real investigation of secret government was the Church Committee.

Jerry the Appointed Ford sent Poppy Bush out to shut them up 35 years ago and it's like Poppy never left.



I miss leaders with the heart of a lion, like Henry B. Gonzalez, who once stood ready to drop E Howard Hunt.

[leftstreet]

13. "..and it's like Poppy never left"

No shit

The best discussion I've had on DU in some time was whether or not Poppy Bush is technically a five, or seven, term Prez

(That photo looks like bad actors in a bad film)

[Octafish]

15. From the look of things, he's going on eight.

Actual, unretouched photograph of the late Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and John Tower (R-Texas). Both those guys served in World War II, so I owe them.

Church was a great Democrat...screwed over in his re-election by the "Anybody But Church committee" -- echoes of MOCKINGBIRD types.

EXCERPT...

Church was defeated for re-election to the Senate by conservative Republican congressman Steve Symms in 1980 by less than one percent of the vote. His defeat was blamed on the activities of the Anybody But Church Committee (which strongly supported Symms) and the announcement of Republican presidential candidate Ronald Reagan's overwhelming win in Idaho before polls closed statewide, which some believe caused many Democrats in northern Idaho to not vote. As of 2008, Church is the last Democrat to have represented Idaho in the Senate."

[leftstreet]

19. ...

I was just being silly about the black and white photo and gun :-)

I remember Church / Symms - I lived in Seattle at the time.

Symms....:grr:

[Octafish]

Crooks with three arrests are getting locked up for life. What's wrong with this picture?

Actions by these individuals have caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands, if not more than a million, innocent people for no reason -- valid or otherwise. And they are free.



Toward Justice: International Criminal Court Complaint Filed Against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Tenet, Rice, Gonzales

I'm sorry I wasn't clear. My attempts at pedantry are meant to enlighten those new to the subject. Going from your writings, leftstreet, it's clear you've been enlightened far longer than DU's been around.

[spanone]

8. i hold out little hope for their prosecution

or any investigations

i hope i'm wrong

[Octafish]

14. It's more than Watergate's obstruction of justice. Yet, people tell us there are no conspiracies...

What the heck is it, then, when those in authority refuse to prosecute treason?

Unlike most Americans, Mr. Carl Herman on Examiner.com brings up some important points on the question:

Unlawful war on Iran is treason; it levies war against the US, our military, and our Constitution.



He is correct, because that is what they are: Traitors who lied America into illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars.

[upi402]

25. from Herman's article

"...giving them aid and comfort."
Implies complicity?

Sometimes it's very simple -seems to me. That it's the reasonable view that cuts through the complexities to the truth.

[upi402]

9. I'll never stop on that one

Obama's shame is that he is complicite by refusing to investigate them.

kick

[Octafish]

21. After Vietnam, I never thought the nation would descend to this madness.

Then, I realize it's not madness. It's money.



Regarding our President. Yes, he's definitely been playing to the wrong base. Seeing his options, I don't think it's a coincidence.

[upi402]

24. It is organized, well-funded, and relentless

History teaches me that people drawn to power would kill their own mother for the off chance that they may have a slight opportunity of a shot at more power if they kill her. So they'd kill their own mothers and pretend to feel badly.

I don't see Obama as this sort of operator. I feel it must be out of character for some reason. I want to think his 2nd term would free him - that he's marking time keeping the lunatics out of the control room.

VN... you think we'd learn. But I don't blame the people. The media has betrayed democracy by fooling them this relentlessly.

kick

[Solly Mack]

10. KnR

[Octafish]

23. National Security

Secrecy serves only the few who know the secrets. Certainly, there are military secrets to keep. However, secrecy, as such, only helps hide incompetence, blur responsibility and cover up criminality when it comes to national policy, the law, and money. The late, great, Liberal Resurgent, Steve Kangas addressed the intersection.

[Solly Mack]

53. I remember Kangas.

There is still photographic evidence of war crimes being kept secret...and war criminals being protected...under the banner of national security.

Essentially saying to the people...We hide our war crimes to protect you.


But who protects us from the government that tortures people and then hides the evidence (to protect the guilty and escape accountability)?

[Octafish]

54. The US Government Tortured CHILDREN.

Sometimes, to "extract" information from their parents. Other times, just for the hell of it. Children.

And for those new to the truth, Iraq had NOTHING to do with September 11.

[Cleita]

12. So whose going to order the investigations, indictments, arrests or whatever it takes?

Certainly not Boehner and I doubt Harry Reid. So will the Attorney General? No probably not. How do we get the Hague to do it?

[jotsy]

18. There are other paths regular citizens might take...

like Charlotte Dennett, Vermont politician who actually ran on a campaign of prosecuting Bushco's. Lost her bid, but still fighting the good fight, I think.

<http://www.prosecutegeorgebush.com/index.php>

[Cleita]

22. I hope so. Even if a prosecutor could get them on

some of the crimes, it would be a start.

[Octafish]

26. European nations have begun the process...

I hope they throw the book at the whole bloody lot of them.

Bush cancels Europe trip amid calls for his arrest.

by Justin Elliott
Salon.com
Monday, Feb 7, 2011 08:54 ET

Will George W. Bush set foot in Europe again in his lifetime?

A planned trip by Bush to speak at the Switzerland-based United Israel Appeal later this week has been canceled after several human rights groups called for Swiss authorities to arrest Bush and investigate him for authorizing torture. Bush has traveled widely since leaving office, but not to Europe, where there is a strong tradition of international prosecutions.

The Swiss group and Bush's spokesman claim that it was threats of protest, not of legal action, that prompted the cancellation. But facing protests is nothing new for Bush. What was different about this trip was that groups including Amnesty International and the Center for Constitutional Rights argued that Switzerland, as a party to the UN Convention against Torture, is obligated to investigate Bush for potential prosecution.

Amnesty's memo to Swiss authorities cites, among other things, Bush's admission in his own memoir that he approved the use of waterboarding. From Amnesty's press release:

“To date, we’ve seen a handful of military investigations into detentions and interrogations in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Guantánamo. But none of these has had the independence and reach necessary to investigate high-level officials such as President Bush,” said Salil Shetty, Secretary General of Amnesty International.

“Meanwhile, there has been virtually zero accountability for crimes committed in the CIA’s secret detention program, which was authorized by then-President Bush.”

Anywhere in the world that he travels, President Bush could face investigation and potential prosecution for his responsibility for torture and other crimes in international law, particularly in any of the 147 countries that are party to the UN Convention against Torture.

“As the US authorities have, so far, failed to bring President Bush to justice, the international community must step in," said Salil Shetty.

CONTINUED...

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/george_w_bush/?story=/politics/war_room/2011/02/07/bush_amnesty_arrest

It may be that they escape Justice and we only get to enjoy the last word, which is the truth and which history is made. No problem. Even it it's just you and me, Cleita, and our own friends and families, that's what counts in the long term.

[Ghost in the Machine]

16. "Iraqi Proud of His WMD Lies That Led to War"

(CBS/AP) LONDON - "Curveball," the once-anonymous Iraqi man whose testimony was used as a key evidence to build a case for war in Iraq, told a British newspaper he is proud that he lied about his country developing mobile biological warfare labs.


The Guardian newspaper published an interview Wednesday with Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who has been identified as the informer called "Curveball," whose claims about weapon labs formed part of then-U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell's speech to the U.N. Security Council in 2003, shortly before the war began.


The Guardian quoted al-Janabi as saying: "I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."


Although some intelligence agents were skeptical of Curveball's story, the U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee reported in 2004 that the Central Intelligence Agency "withheld important information about Curveball's reliability" from analysts dealing with the case.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=429335

[Octafish]

27. Did Dr. Paul carry a checkbook to sign his pitcher to a contract?

These are interesting times. Thank goodness Democrats in Germany see fit to take up the mantle of Justice.

Curveball could face jail for warmongering, says German MP

Agent whose lies about Saddam's weapons capability led to Iraq war has broken German law, says Green MP

by Helen Pidd and Martin Chulov
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 16 February 2011 18.31 GMT

EXCERPT...

In his adopted home of Germany, MPs are demanding to know why the German secret service paid Curveball £2,500 a month for at least five years after they knew he had lied.

Hans-Christian Ströbele, a Green MP, said Janabi had arguably violated a German law which makes warmongering illegal. He added that Gerhard Schröder, German chancellor around the time of the second Iraq war, should also reveal what he knew about the quality of evidence Curveball gave to Germany's secret service, the BND.

Under German constitutional law, it is a criminal offence to do anything "with the intent to disturb the peaceful relations between nations, especially anything that leads to an aggressive war", said Ströbele. The maximum penalty is life imprisonment, he said, adding that he did not expect it would ever come to that.

The MP said he would table a question to the Bundestag demanding to know whether the German secret service knew that Curveball was lying before the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003. Schröder famously refused to join the "coalition of the willing" who took part in the second Iraq war.

Curveball told the Guardian he was pleased to have finally told the truth but that he was scared of the consequences. He said he had given the Guardian's phone number to his wife and brother in Sweden "just in case something happens to me".

CONTINUED...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/16/curveball-jail-war-mongering-germany

Why so few in America give a damn in public tells me ECHELON works.

[slipslidingaway]

17. Nobody cares about this anymore, well maybe the millions of orphans in Iraq or ...

the millions who fled for another country, or the widows left behind, or the young women who can no longer attend university ...

Be happy, we need to look forward.

:(

[Octafish]

29. Iraq Veterans Against the War Calls for Prosecution of Bush Administration Officials for War Crimes

You got it, slipslidingaway: Some things need be exposed to the light of day.

NEWS FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Iraq Veterans Against the War Calls for Prosecution of Bush Administration Officials for War Crimes

NEW YORK - August 10 - At its seventh annual national convention in Austin, Texas, IVAW called for the prosecution of senior Bush administration officials for allegedly conspiring to manipulate intelligence in order to justify the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

IVAW alleges that Bush administration officials conspired to create the perception that Saddam Hussein presented an imminent threat to the United States in order to bypass an uncooperative U.N. Security Council and secure a congressional Authorization for Use of Military Force against Iraq. The growing body of evidence, including testimony from British officials in the ongoing Chilcot Inquiry, indicates that Bush officials could be charged with criminal offenses against the United States and violations of international law for making false claims to national self-defense.

Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution vests the power to authorize use of military force in the Legislative Branch, not the Executive. In order to do so responsibly the Congress must be provided with accurate and objective intelligence. Bush officials' alleged distortion of the intelligence picture created a climate of fear and uncertainty in which the constitutional power of Congress was subverted.

IVAW further alleges that the Bush administration's alterations to Iraqi laws were made for the intended benefit of U.S. multinational corporations and are illegal under international law. Efforts to pressure Iraqi officials to open up the country's oil industry to foreign investment exacerbated the insurgency and undermined the U.S. military's ostensible mission there.

IVAW finally asserts that senior Bush officials are responsible for the illegal treatment of Iraqi and Afghan officials in U.S. custody and that this treatment was detrimental to the security of American citizens.

Tens and perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths have resulted from the Bush administration's disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq. Millions of Iraqis have been internally displaced and hundreds of thousands are forced to subsist as refugees in neighboring countries. Thousands of American men and women have lost their lives and tens of thousands suffer from wounds sustained while fighting there. Families and communities across the United States are now suffering from veteran suicides, homelessness, substance abuse and domestic violence. The long-term cost of this war, including the provision of VA support for our returning veterans, is estimated to run into the trillions.

It is time for America to hold the officials responsible for this war to account for their decisions. On behalf of the Iraqis and Americans who have sacrificed everything to restore stability to Iraq, IVAW calls for justice.

###

SOURCE: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2010/08/10-7

Jail is too good for traitors. More would feel this way if we had an actual news media, rather than a propaganda arm for War Inc.

[Overseas]

43. K&R! Yes Please! //nt

[slipslidingaway]

46. Yes, if only we had a news media who showed the horrors of war instead of ...

embedded reporters with the troops ... how things have changed.

:hi:

[Blue-Jay]

20. If only.

[Octafish]

30. USA: manipulated, misled, & misinformed to the point where most heads filled w/ignorance, apathy.

It's no accident. Old news to you, Blue Jay; shocking to most non DUers who read it, I'd wager.

THE CIA AND THE MEDIA

How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up

BY CARL BERNSTEIN

In 1953, Joseph Alsop, then one of America’s leading syndicated columnists, went to the Philippines to cover an election. He did not go because he was asked to do so by his syndicate. He did not go because he was asked to do so by the newspapers that printed his column. He went at the request of the CIA.

Alsop is one of more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency, according to documents on file at CIA headquarters. Some of these journalists’ relationships with the Agency were tacit; some were explicit. There was cooperation, accommodation and overlap. Journalists provided a full range of clandestine services—from simple intelligence gathering to serving as go‑betweens with spies in Communist countries. Reporters shared their notebooks with the CIA. Editors shared their staffs. Some of the journalists were Pulitzer Prize winners, distinguished reporters who considered themselves ambassadors without‑portfolio for their country. Most were less exalted: foreign correspondents who found that their association with the Agency helped their work; stringers and freelancers who were as interested in the derring‑do of the spy business as in filing articles; and, the smallest category, full‑time CIA employees masquerading as journalists abroad. In many instances, CIA documents show, journalists were engaged to perform tasks for the CIA with the consent of the managements of America’s leading news organizations.

The history of the CIA’s involvement with the American press continues to be shrouded by an official policy of obfuscation and deception for the following principal reasons:

The use of journalists has been among the most productive means of intelligence‑gathering employed by the CIA. Although the Agency has cut back sharply on the use of reporters since 1973 primarily as a result of pressure from the media), some journalist‑operatives are still posted abroad.

CONTINUED...

http://carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php

Small world.

[hulka38]

33. Thanks.

[Kurovski]

28. K&R&AMEN.

[Octafish]

31. Bush-appointed intelligence commission whitewashes war based on lies

I know you remember this, Kurovski. For those new to the subject, Mr. Van Auken of the World Socialist Web Site penned this reminder in 2005:

Bush-appointed intelligence commission whitewashes war based on lies

By Bill Van Auken
1 April 2005

The report released Thursday by the White House-appointed Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction was entirely predictable. It follows the same pattern as the whitewashes performed last year for the Bush administration by the 9/11 Commission and the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Like those earlier investigations, the WMD panel’s document serves up recommendations promoting an intensification of militarism abroad and police-state measures at home.

This so-called “independent” commission was handpicked by Bush and directed to concern itself solely with “intelligence failures” concerning the war in Iraq. It was constituted a little over a year ago for the political purpose of countering incontrovertible evidence that the Bush administration went to war against Iraq on the basis of lies.

Presenting the report at a White House press conference Thursday, Bush read out a prepared statement praising the very intelligence community that, according to the document, had been “dead wrong in almost all of its pre-war judgments about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.” After completing his statement, Bush turned on his heels and walked through a door that shut behind him.

The gesture was unmistakable: as far as the administration was concerned, the controversy over non-existent Iraqi weapons of mass destruction was now closed.

Bush concluded his remarks by declaring, “...in an age in which we are at war, the consequences of underestimating a threat could be tens of thousands of innocent lives.” He continued: “And my administration will continue to make intelligence reforms that will allow us to identify threats before they fully emerge so we can take effective action to protect the American people.”

CONTINUED...

http://wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/wmds-a01.shtml

For those who want a feel of what war is about, try Marc Levy's contribution in today's Counterpunch.

[Kurovski]

39. remembered all too well. (nt)

[Octafish]

50. Gus W. Weiss, PhD., US government official who also opposed the Iraq war, also died from a fall.

122. 5 days after Kokal's death, Gus Weiss, former WH adviser, also died in a mysterious fall.

For those new to the subject: Falls from high places are straight out of the book for U.S. government assassins.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[Octafish]

36. Dude!

Sort of OT, but what the heck: More HBGary Federal Fallout: The Government Wants To Buy Software To Fake Online Grassroots Social Media Campaigns

[Kurovski]

40. !

:rofl: Is grovelbot anonymous?

[Octafish]

48. State Dept. Worker Found Dead Outside Agency

Important thread from 2003

[earth mom]

34. K & R for Truth! Great find Octafish!

:kick:

[Octafish]

37. Before falling from State Department roof, John Kokal crossed professional paths with John Bolton...

Whether his death was from suicide or murder, Mr. Kokal opposed the run-up to the Iraq invasion on ginned up WMD claims.

What Mr. Wagner said.

Huh!?, according to US Senator Barbara Mikulski, "Mr. Bolton went after intelligence professionals for doing their jobs, for telling the truth, for speaking truth to power. He was the power, the boss, the senior official and he had no use for truth. According to the investigation by the Foreign Relations Committee, Mr. Bolton tried to fire an analyst with the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research. The intelligence professional disagreed about language regarding BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS that Mr. Bolton wanted to include in a speech. Mr. Bolton also asked that the National intelligence Officer for Latin America be reassigned, because he told Mr. Bolton that the language on BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS did not reflect the intelligence community's assessment."

Consistent with Mikulski's avowal, Bolton has been tied to the mysterious death of John Kokal, an official of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research Near East and South Asian division (INR/NESA).

Kokal's INR bureau was at the forefront of challenging the Administration's claims that Iraq possessed WMDs.
An INR official, weapons expert Greg Thielman, has stated that Bolton, then Under Sec. for Arms Control and International Security, and his deputy, David Wurmser (he became Cheney's Middle East advisor) largely ignored INR intelligence and that Bolton often fabricated information to steer people in the wrong direction.

Longtome friends, ex-Iran-Contra felon Elliot Abrams and Bolton both helped devise the neoconservative game plan for US Global Domination through their ties to the Project for a New American Century (New???).
And, while Bolton was demanding the firing of State Dep't analyst Christian Westerman and CIA officer Fulton Armstrong, Abrams fired CIA officer Ben Miller (on loan to the NSC) and two NSC officials, Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann.

Kokal reportedly threw himself off the roof of the State Dep't headquarters while his wife Pamela, a public affairs specialist in the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, was waiting for him in the parking garage.

A former INR employee claims that some one-third to one-half of INR officials are either former CIA or are on loan from the agency.
He also claims that it would have been impossible for Kokal to have gained access to the roof on his own...
And there was another mysterious death: an ex-CIA and NSC official, Dr. Gus Weiss, also suffered a fatal fall, from the Watergate complex, a few weeks after Kokal's death.

Like Kokal, Weiss was adamantly opposed to the Iraq invasion, and he went public with his protests...

Thank you for remembering Mr. Kokal, earth mom. John Bolton may escape justice, but he won't escape history.

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. You know me my friend HOW SICK I AM OF THIS CRAP

I don't think documents, news items matter anymore

Someone needs to wipe this government in its nose with a
a piece toilet paper with dog shit stuck in the middle of it.


They still would say it smelled like 'charmin'

[Octafish]

38. Sneer's Stay Behind Network has to go.

I hear you, my Friend. Cheney and his minions are an official obstruction of justice works:

Hersh: Cheney ‘Left A Stay Behind’ In Obama’s Government, Can ‘Still Control Policy Up To A Point’

cheney.jpgIn an interview on NPR’s Fresh Air yesterday, host Terry Gross asked investigative journalist Seymour Hersh if, as he continues to investigate the Bush administration, “more people” were “coming forward” to talk to him now that “the president and vice president are no longer in power.” Hersh replied that though “a lot of people that had told me in the last year of Bush, ‘call me next, next February,’ not many people had talked to him. He implied that they were still scared of Cheney.

“Are you saying that you think Vice President Cheney is still having a chilling effect on people who might otherwise be coming forward,” asked Gross. “I’ll make it worse,” answered Hersh, adding that he believes Cheney “put people back” in government to “stay behind” in order to “tell him what’s going on” and perhaps even “do sabotage”:

HERSH: I’ll make it worse. I think he’s put people left. He’s put people back. They call it a stay behind. It’s sort of an intelligence term of art. When you leave a country and, you know, you’ve driven out the, you know, you’ve lost the war. You leave people behind. It’s a stay behind that you can continue to contacts with, to do sabotage, whatever you want to do. Cheney’s left a stay behind. He’s got people in a lot of agencies that still tell him what’s going on. Particularly in defense, obviously. Also in the NSA, there’s still people that talk to him. He still knows what’s going on. Can he still control policy up to a point? Probably up to a point, a minor point. But he’s still there. He’s still a presence.

CONTINUED...

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/hersh-cheney-behind/

These traitors are ingrained in the woodwork. Removal requires more than turpentine. Bring protective clothing.

[AzDar]

41. K & R

:kick:

[Octafish]

45. ''I always take off my shoes before I commit suicide.''

From Cosmic Iguana...

"I always take off my shoes before I commit suicide"

State Dept. Worker Found Dead Outside Agency

Saturday, November 08, 2003

WASHINGTON — A State Department (search) employee was found dead outside the agency headquarters in Washington, D.C., Friday around 5 p.m., Fox News has confirmed.

State Department sources told The Washington Post that John Kokal (search) worked in a unit that dealt with intelligence and research. Sources said he handled classified documents regularly but was not involved in intelligence analysis.

Police said the official cause and manner of death is to be determined by the D.C. medical examiner, the Post reported.

Fox News has confirmed that Kokal, 58, did work for the State Department Intelligence and Research Bureau (search), but has not yet confirmed that the body is that of Kokal.

Fire Department Spokesman Alan Etter said the man, a white male, was wearing a dress shirt, tie and slacks, but was not wearing shoes nor a suit jacket.... link

-Note: Shoes would be removed if they had something on them to indicate the victim did not die indoors (like mud.)
posted by manis2society 11/9/2003 08:27:59 PM

SOURCE (scroll down a bit):

http://web.archive.org/web/20050419160324/cosmiciguana.blogspot.com/2003_11_09_cosmiciguana_archive.html#106843847996660977

These sources are getting harder to find, even on the Way-Back archive. We are in something more vile than NAZI times.

[G_j]

42. K&R

[Octafish]

47. Does anyone remember the name of the State Dept. man suicided in 2003??

From DU 2006

Since then, it's gotten a lot more difficult to find information on certain topics and people.

[spanone]

51. the death of the 1st american soldier should have readied their jail cells

[Blue_Tires]

52. curveball should also be deported back to Iraq

so he can live with the fruits of his handiwork...

[Ignis]

56. K&R. "should mean" ... Yes, but it's "off the table."

:argh:

Justice should be blind, not lazy and irresponsible.