Cynthia McKinney makes the "American Loons" blog...

[Archae]

Hey, the GOP has Michele Bachmann, we got this nutcase.
Biggest difference, the GOP re-elected their loon.

#266: Cynthia McKinney

If we’d been doing an international encyclopedia, the British would have made some inroads at this point. After all, the British have flat-earther James McIntyre. They also have Gillian McKeith, who may not be a flat-earther, but given her general understanding of science might just as well have been.

But leave it to the Americans to come up with anyone as terminally insane as Cynthia McKinney. McKinney was a presidential nominee of the US Green Party in the 2008 U.S Presidential Elections (she did receive more votes than Ron Paul) and has long been a member of Congress representing Georgia. She lost her seat in Georgia in 2002, regained it, but lost it again in 2004 when she slugged a Capitol police officer. Alex Jones-style, McKinney believes more or less every conspiracy theory she has encountered.

A selection of claims McKinney has endorsed is that the US military shot and killed 5000 prisoners during Katrina and dumped their bodies, a multitude of 9/11 conspiracy theories (unsurprisingly), and that Jeb Bush was running a drug ring out of Columbia while he was governor of Florida. Conspiracy theories concerning famous assassinations endorsed by McKinney include believing that James Earl Ray did not kill Martin Luther King Jr., that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK, that Sirhan Sirhan did not kill Robert F. Kennedy, and – particularly vehemently – that Biggie did not kill Tupac.

(schnip)

Diagnosis: The Democrats' answer to Michele Bachmann, McKinney is really stunningly insane, and despite the good stuff she’s done, she is a real threat to sanity and society.

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2011/11/266-cynthia-mckinney.html

[banned from Kos]

1. ugghhh - Cynthia is a real loon best left unmentioned and unheard

but Michele is crazier, no doubt.

[sabrina 1]

83. The author of this loon blog seems to be quite a loon himself!

:rofl:

I don't think anyone he calls a 'loon' has much to worry about. What a wacko and to think he works in a University! No wonder we have problems in this country.

[TheWraith]

165. Yeah, those loonie liberal intellectuals, they're fuckin' up America!

:sarcasm:

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2. That can't be right...

they must have her confused with a different McKinney...

[Whisp]

101. I'd like to freeze frame your ass and see how perdy You look.

:puke:

[RZM]

3. I do have some issues with this list

I think some of the people on there made it not because of totally outlandish beliefs, but because the people compiling the list don't agree with their worldview/stances on the issues etc. I hesitate to call somebody a 'loon' just because I disagree with them.

OTOH, there are plenty of people on the list who would meet my definition. Whether or not that is as good as any other definition I don't know.

But yeah, McKinney's enough of a fan of CTs that she qualifies in my book.

[Archae]

6. Who do you think shouldn't be on the list?

Bill Maher?

[RZM]

12. There's a few I wouldn't put on there

I haven't heard of a lot of the people on that list. I clicked on a few at random and they did seem a bit kooky.

But you're right about my assessment of Maher. I certainly wouldn't say he's a loon. I also wouldn't put some of the mainstream conservatives they have up there on that list as well (Larry Klayman, Dinesh D'Souza, Brit Hume, etc). I'd probably leave Glenn Beck on though :). But I don't automatically consider conservatives to be loons just for having their beliefs. I consider them wrong and there's an important difference there. Some are loons, but I don't automatically consider them so. I don't agree with tax cuts for the rich or slashing entitlement spending, but I also don't think that arguing for those things is anything like arguing for the existence of MIHOP, that HAARP has been used to create natural disasters, or that the four horsemen of the apocalypse are on their way.

You could probably have a real conversation/debate with somebody like Brit Hume. Alex Jones, not so much.

[slackmaster]

4. Crazy people serve an important function in this world

They provide a simple way of defining sanity.

[mod mom]

5. Whoever would compare Cynthia to Bachman doesn't know Cynthia

A woman who fights against an illegal war based on lies, election theft and social justice issues is the antithesis of Bachman. :eyes:

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[haikugal]

7. Totally Agree...

[EOTE]

8. Thank you.

I don't always agree with her, but she's been a tireless advocate for progressive issues. It doesn't surprise me that those on the right would attack her. It does surprise (and greatly disappoint) me to see Democrats attacking her.

[Archae]

9. Batshit crazy is batshit crazy...

Even if that loony toon makes sense once in while.

Don't forget, her Dad claimed it was a "Jewish conspiracy" to not re-elect McKinney.
And McKinney agreed with her Dad

[mod mom]

11. There is a lot of mis information out there. Watch "American Blackout" if you are really

interested in how she lost her election:


American Blackout

Chronicles the recurring patterns of disenfranchisement witnessed from 2000 to 2004 while following the story of Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, who not only took an active role in investigating these election debacles but also found herself in the middle of one after publicly questioning the Bush Administration about the 9-11 terrorist attacks. If copyright becomes an issue on this video upload, it will be deleted immediately. Please rate and comment.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5965670944815984616

from wiki:

American Blackout (2006) is a documentary film directed by Ian Inaba. It premiered at the 2006 Sundance Film Festival. The film chronicles the 2002 defeat, and 2004 reelection, of Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney to the U.S. House of Representatives; it also discusses issues surrounding alleged voter disenfranchisement and the use of voting machines in both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections.

[CanSocDem]

34. Amazing film....

...About an amazing woman!! That's the first real portrayal of her I've seen. I always liked what I heard she'd said but it was always immediately attacked by her detractors and I was forced to stop listening.

Thanks to you I now know what an exceptional American she is. "A strong black woman..." as one of her constituents called her in the film. That right there defines the threat to the right wing ruling class in the USA. And since they already control the media, the election system and the vast majority of your government apparatus, it is easily to silence her and if that doesn't quite work, DEMONIZE her, with wild accusations and characterizations, unflattering nationally published photographs and, in the latest directive from the corporate overlords, branding them a "loon".

What is worrisome is that it is showing up on a BBS that claims to represent Democratic values. The "looney left" sounds to the rightwingers like a gentle admonishment, not a vicious attack that could be misconstrued as negative. It's recent use suggests that has become a prescribed tactic to counter criticism of business as usual. The "loon" tag seems to be popping up during discussions, in my experience, that are critical of issues like 'fracking' for fossil fuel and the medical system; not to mention McKinney's legitimate questions surrounding the obvious abuse of power in the Bush years.

It's sad to watch such blatant disrespect for democracy in your country because we know that it is coming our way. It's actually here but it isn't blatant enough yet to really piss off the voters.

A tip o' the hat to you for keeping the faith, for posting this film and for standing up to those that are trying to mock this brilliant democrat.


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[sabrina 1]

78. That was an incredible film. It's dangerous to stand up for

what is right, McKinney certainly proved that, inadvertently I'm sure. Anyone who cares about the facts should see that film.

[mod mom]

94. As you can tell by the film, she put her life and her family in jeopardy standing up

to forces attempting to undermine democracy in this country. The people here slandering her are either uninformed or shouldn't be posting on DU. imho

Was she incorrect at times? Yes but when you look at the * administration, their war based on lies, use of torture, negligent response to Katrina etc-it's not so far fetched to believe things early on.

[sabrina 1]

95. I agree with everything you said.

The kind of comments we now see on 'left' forums, used to only be seen on the right. It's odd to see the same Hannity drivel about McKinney, I remember it well and I remember we knew then they were out to get her, now being presented on the 'left', almost word for word.

[JCMach1]

13. exactly... the OP should perhaps meet her (rather than relying on biased reports)

and then we'll talk...

[slackmaster]

14. Yes, and Hitler was kind to animals so obviously he was a paragon of ethics and morality

[mod mom]

18. your comments are truly telling of your personality.

[slackmaster]

20. Thank you

:hi:

[sabrina 1]

79. Sad, isn't it?

[bvar22]

22. I'll stand with you.

The prospects for REAL Democrats don't look very good.
McKinney fought the good fight for the right causes.
For that, she paid a price:

Wellstone...KIA

Feingold...Gone

Wiener....discredited, Gone

Grayson....marginalized, discounted, Gone

McKinney....ridiculed, marginalized, gone

Kucinich....ridiculed, marginalized, redistricted

Spitzer....marginalized, eliminated

Howard Dean....ridiculed, marginalized, banished

Barney Frank...marginalized, ridiculed, redistricted, gone



Anyone else see the pattern?
We live in interesting times.
Do everything you can to protect yourself and your families.
"They" won't stop until they have it ALL.




Solidarity99!
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[TheWraith]

55. If you want to associate yourself with lunatics, that's up to you.

But remember McKinney is the one who ran around asserting that the government had taken 5,000 black men out into a swamp during hurricane Katrina and shot them in the head, with her only source being some woman she'd heard it from at a campaign event. She is a fucking nut, and we're far better off without her.

[bvar22]

102. Yes,

and Howard Dean cheered real loud,
and Kucinich saw "Flying Saucers" (in reality admitted to seeing a UFO),
but what does it matter when TPTB target someone for marginalization.

As someone who was on the streets of New Orleans shortly after Katrina,
stranger stories than THAT were in circulation,
and, again as someone who was on the streets of New Orleans shortly after Katrina,
I'm glad someone raised these questions in public.

Several factors (context) need to be taken into account when considering McKinney's story:

1)There was a lack of credible Media coverage and reliable information.
No phones were working (cell or landline). Electricity was off for an extended period.
Battery powered radios were the ONLY source of information,
and there were no Media Broadcasts that HAD any reliable information from street level.
Batteries were very scarce after a couple of days.
The main source of news or information was Word of Mouth,
or signs posted on trees, or stuck up on sticks in the neutral grounds,
or spray painted on buildings or debris.


2) Armed BlackWater Mercenaries were openly "patrolling" New Orleans,
and rumors of them shooting people were widespread.
This was true, though the number of people shot was inflated.


3)Many people and families WERE missing and separated.
Slips of paper nailed to trees, and spray painted messages for family members attempting to contact each other were commonplace.

(The above photo was from an affluent, white neighborhood.
The dislocation and separation was much, much worse in the inner city
and Public Housing areas.)

3)Rumors of "cops shooting survivors on the bridges" spread across the city.
(This one happened to be true.)


4)Rumors that all Public Housing was fenced off,
and anybody attempting to get to their belongings,
even on the undamaged 2nd floors were being arrested or shot.
This one was partially true. I don't believe there were confirmed reports of anyone being shot while attempting to get their possessions from Public Housing. It was weeks/months before people were allowed to get to their possessions, and strict ID checks were required. Valid Photo IDs are problematic in Public Housing.

5)There were widespread rumors of thousands of people being put on bussed and sent to FEMA Camps across the country.
This is true. Families were separated and sent to different destinations, and contacting family members was an ordeal. THOUSANDS simply did not know for months whether their family members were dead, arrested, sent to a different FEMA camp, or simply disappeared.


6)Very little was done to help the refugees relocated to FEMA Camps across the country.
Their cries went unanswered. Assistance to help them find family members, or reunite their families
was non-existent. Thousands have never been allowed to return to their homes in Public Housing.
It is very easy for these thousands to believe that hundreds or thousands of their fiends and neighbors
were simply driven into the swamps and shot.
Very Easy, and thousands believe that to this day.


7)This is the Deep South.
The Police Shoot Black People.
In the minds of thousands in New Orleans, Katrina was a perfect excuse
for the police to shoot a lot of Black People.
Ask a black person who has lived in Public Housing in New Orleans.
They will ALL agree.



I'm trying to convey some context.
I know that some people lack the ability to stand in some else's shoes,
but in the environment of the aftermath of Katrina,
especially in the lower SES of inner city Public Housing,
McKinney's concerns for the possibility that thousands may have been simply taken away and shot is not that incredible.

I KNOW.
I was THERE.


Try to stand in their shoes for a moment.
What seems beyond the pale for someone living in comfort
far from the nightmare of the Katrina aftermath,
is not that unbelievable for those who lived through it.

Give it a try.
Turn off the TV.
Go to a quiet room.
Turn off the lights,
close your eyes,
and for a couple of minutes,
TRY real HARD to put yourself in their place.
Please.








Solidarity99!
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[sabrina 1]

162. Excellent post, it should be an OP, thank YOU and Cynthia

McKinney for CARING. I was not there, but may as well have been. I watched in horror as American citizens begged for water and/or help. No one knew how many died, we still do not do we?

Cynthia McKinney was one of the few with a voice who even cared.

And she gets SLAMMED on a DEMOCRATIC BOARD for that?? It is sickening.

And then there was Condoleeza Rice, who went shopping in NYC while her fellow citizens were drowning and dying of dehydration. No concerns on her part, she was never close enough to hear the stories McKinney heard and rightly took seriously.

But where are the condemnations for a woman so callous she did nothing to help, to listen even?

It sickens me to see this repeated over and over again as IF it is wrong to care while ignoring the cries of your own fellow citizens while you shop, gets a pass.

I have decided that her going public with what she was told was a good thing and I despise anyone who attempts to turn into something else.

I have long suspected that there is some racism involved in the attacks on McKinney. Condy gets a pass because she does as she is told, but an African American who refuses to shut up? How dare she.

[sabrina 1]

141. I don't, which is why I don't read blogs written by loons such

as the one in this OP. That guy is a certifiable Loon. The Blog is probably him projecting. A quick search shows he is the kind of dogmatic true believer in whatever, who, if you don't agree with, makes you a 'Loon' in his mind.

Cynthia and Tom Harkin should be proud he chose them to attack. A feather in their caps considering the source.

[sabrina 1]

80. And none of that could happen, if the 'left' did not help.

Thank you for trying at least to set the record straight. I remember when McKinney was a hero here on DU and on other Democratic boards. Things have changed a lot since the DLC took over the Party.

[mod mom]

93. When you see threads like this you see the regular names you would expect

I'd add Dennis Kucinich to your list as the OH GOP is attempting to eliminate his district through gerrymandering. I'm sure there are some on this thread that will be pleased about that.

[RZM]

97. Sorry, but I don't see much of a pattern there

Wellstone - Died in a plane crash. It happens.

Feingold - Lost an election in a tough year for Democrats

Weiner - Resigned over sex scandal, which he could have survived had he not completely bungled the damage control

Grayson - Lost an election in a tough year for Democrats

McKinney - Lost a primary election to another Democrat

Kucinich - Redistricted. I can see your point on this one. But is from a depressed area of the state. The lost seat had to come from somewhere. But you're right it was the Republicans' doing.

Spitzer - Resigned over sex scandal

Howard Dean - Lost the primary elections. Don't know much about his tenure as DNC chairman, but it seems that there's high turnover in that position in both parties. If he was forced out, it was obviously by other Democrats.

Barney Frank - Retired because of redistricting. I don't know much about Mass. redistricting policies, but it is a blue state so I doubt it was an entirely Republican decision.


Most of the people on this list were victims of the vicissitudes of a life in politics. Nothing lasts forever.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

108. In regards to Frank

A lot of it had to do with he wasn't going to be representing many of the places he always had (Fall River, near me for one.). He still would have been re-elected and who knows maybe even by a wider margin.......but I don't think he was interested in taking on a new area at this point in his career.

[RZM]

112. That was how he explained it and I believe him

The point I tried to make was that it didn't seem like some plot to push him out. He's in his 70s after all. Maybe he's happy to have an opportunity to retire.

[Puregonzo1188]

27. Yeah, agreed. She has on occasion said some things that have made me cringe, but her overall record

as a real fighter for justice far exceeds most of the current Democrats in Congress. Plus, people with a fanatical hatred of her (including many so-called liberals) have a habit of taking her comments out of context or twisting her words.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Amen

Also unrec'd

[inna]

37. +1 and thank you

[Chan790]

69. Having had the displeasure of meeting McKinney...

the woman belongs in a non-voluntary mental facility for her own protection and that of the public. One of the ones where they don't even pretend that you might be released some day.

That article was kind, if anything.

[sabrina 1]

74. Thank you. Cynthia McKinney had the guts to stand up against

the Bush administration when not one single other public figure in the country had the courage to do it. That made her a target at a time when the War Criminals were planning their attack on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.

She was fearless and continued to challenge them, standing on the floor of Congress, demanding answers that we the people were entitled to. But no one backed her up, all of them were too frightened and what might have been at least slowed down at the time, was allowed to go forward giving us a decade of crime and corruption, murder and torture, all of which SHE spoke out against.

I guess you do have to be a 'loon' in this country to go up against the powerful criminals who run this country.

But I will say this NOTHING she might have said or done, comes anywhere close to the insanity of voting for that murderous war, or remaining silent when the Banksters were raiding this country's treasury.

And to compare a woman who actually cares about the injustices in this world, who could have, if she had been willing to 'just shut up' about the war criminals, gone far in DC, to a clown like Bachman, that is what I call crazy.

Unrec for the gratuitous attack on a very courageous woman and for supporting the Far Right's ongoing attacks on her.

In a sane society, she would still be in Congress backed by people of conscience and we would never have gone to Iraq, and Bush and his gang of war criminals would be in jail.

[Whisp]

100. agree. would Bachman take on Rumsfeld like Cynthia did in this tape?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RvLL--vSsA

We need more McKinney's, less Bachmans.

I do not understand the hatred of her here on DU. Makes no sense.

[Karenina]

129. She's an "uppity" BLACK WOMAN.

Makes perfect sense to me... :shrug:

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. Sen Tom Harkin is also on the list -- apparently because he is open to alternative medicine

[Archae]

15. It depends on how open they are.

If someone is so open to "alternative" (translation: quackery) medicine, that they spout off about "conspiracies by doctors and the AMA," then they belong on that list.

From the entry:

Harkin’s favorite argument is of course the “freedom of choice” gambit: “It is time to end the discrimination against alternative health care practices” and “it is time to adopt an integrative approach that takes advantage of the very best scientifically based medicines and therapies, whether conventional or alternative.”

Harkin doesn't realize that we *HAVE* to discriminate against quackery.
Or people die horribly of disease, broke.

[loyalsister]

28. Ron Paul wants to deregulate medical practice altogether

n\t

[Archae]

32. Ron Paul is known to be batshit crazy.

[Douglas Carpenter]

40. that hardly puts a distinguished Senator in the loon category

A major portion of the population including a great number of very educated people feel quite satisfied by treatment from alternative medicine be it, Chiropractic, Homeopathic, Naturalistic medicine or other treatment like herbal, acupuncture or message therapy. Personally I work in the health care field and am a bit skeptical of such things. But I have to admit that mainstream medicine causes plenty of harm and kills a lot of people too. Although mainstream mainstream is still what I personally am going to rely on for myself and my family. Either way to designate a distinguished Senator as a loon because he gives a bit more credence to alternative therapy than I do is simply not fair and smacks of myopia.

[Archae]

43. A major portion of the population believes in flying saucers, too.

Harkin doesn't like proper scientific testing, it has a tendency to show that "alternative medicine" is horseshit.

[Douglas Carpenter]

49. like or not there is a very strong case that shows real value to other therapies

and it is indeed backed up by mountains of research. You can deny it if you want to. Mainstream conventional Allopathic medicine maims and kills lots of people every single day - even though that is my field and the type of medicine I personally put more trust in. Somethings are a matter of facing reality not simply relying one's prejudices.

I do agree that Cynthia Mckinney has said some pretty fair out stuff that certainly causes me to question her credibility - even if I agree with some of the more rational things she has said.

[coalition_unwilling]

56. Just out of curiosity, do you classify traditional Chinese medicine

as 'quackery'?

[madfloridian]

70. He's right. It IS time to stop discriminating against alternative medicine.

Your statement about Harkin is ludicrous:

"Harkin doesn't realize that we *HAVE* to discriminate against quackery.
Or people die horribly of disease, broke."

I believe strongly in alternative medicine. Homeopathy, chiropractors, accupuncture, and theraputic tissue massage therapy. Often insurance will not pay at all or very little.

[sabrina 1]

140. The 'Loon' blogger himself belongs on his own list. What a 'batshit

crazy loon'!

Ahhh that felt good. Always wanted to use those Hannity talking points.

[sabrina 1]

85. Looking through that blog the author is a bit of loon himself.

Seems to have 'issues' and anyone who disagrees with him is a 'loon'.

[KoKo]

107. Tom Harkin..."UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU...and YOUR SORRY ASS!"

That's how it works in our Democratic Party these days. "UNDER THE BUS WITH YOU!" (You did a CODE OF INFRACTION and will be SHOT AT DAWN!) :puke:

[joeybee12]

16. But she's probably right about JFK and Martin Luther King...unrec...nt

[msanthrope]

62. Perhaps. But she also thinks Tupac Shakur was murdered by the CIA

and that's just some crazy bullshit.

[ellisonz]

67. +1

[sabrina 1]

75. And half the country thinks Saddam Hussein was responsible

for 9/11. What is your point?

[msanthrope]

86. Oh come on...are you saying this is somehow credible?? Tupac was shot by the CIA????

All your post tells me is that you've had to compare her to your average Fox News viewer to defend McKinney's ignorance.

Kinda' a low bar, eh???

[sabrina 1]

96. Actually the comments here in this thread

are an exact repeat of what we on the left remember coming from Hannity when McKinney was the only one standing up against the War Machine. It's odd to see them here now, makes me wonder where I am sometimes.

As for Tupac and who killed him, her 'theory' if it was hers, was far more credible than the lies told about the Iraq War which ended up killing over one million human beings and destroying the lives of millions of more. And as I said, half the country believed that conspiracy theory and supported and are therefore complicit in all that human suffering.

Can you point to the harm done to even one human being by her theory of how Tupac died?

Amazing the lack of proportion involved in the silly attacks on this wonderful woman. But then she is a woman and she is black and was very, very 'uppity'. And in this society still, how dare she. They taught her, didn't they?

[msanthrope]

98. Tupac was killed by the CIA, then? The 'Jews' kept her from re-election? 5,000 people were shot by

the Army in Katrina????

If you find her far more credible, then you should absolutely write her in.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

113. SHE didn't say that "the Jews" cost her the election

Her father did.

We all have embarrassing relatives. Apparently he is hers.

[msanthrope]

121. Apparently, she agreed with him. nt

[Lydia Leftcoast]

131. Evidence?

:shrug:

[sabrina 1]

117. Congratulations, you rattled off all of Hannity's talking points

which he used to repeat relentlessly about her. Although you forgot one, I have to say. He did have four of them.

The interesting thing to me is how propaganda works.

It singles out a few things relating to a person, as if that is all they ever did in their lives, then repeats and repeats them over and over again and some people embed that in their brains and never, ever forget, or ever even try to learn if there was anything else that person ever did in their entire lives. And these things they deliberately implant in the brains of the vulnerable, don't have to be crimes. Such as these Hannity talking points about McKinney, eg. But to the cultists, they THINK they are crimes. This is all they remember. And like Pavlov's dog tests showed as soon as the target's name is mentioned, that is the prompt, out come the talking points.

They did it to Dean, and to Kerry also. I remember wasting time trying to post facts to refute the propaganda by rightwingers on rightwing dominated forums, but that experience taught me, you cannot deprogram cultists, it's a waste of time. They need professional intervention.

Anyhow, I find the whole propaganda thing to be very interesting. I used to think that rightwingers were more susceptible to it than the left. That rightwingers' brains were wired to not think, to just absorb these sound bites and then regurgitate them, without thinking.

But .... maybe not.

[JNelson6563]

118. You've got a good eye for that!

I often see Faux talking points here verbatim. Usually though they are anti-Obama smears.

I'll be looking for you to go after those same faux noise quoting assholes when they're smearing the President too, I'm sure you will wipe the floor with them too!

Rock on! :toast:

Julie--who also hates to see faux news crap splashed all over DU

[msanthrope]

124. You poor defender of the truth. McKinney must keep you busy. nt

[sabrina 1]

130. Thank you, I prefer to be known as defender of the truth

than a tool for those who would silence anyone who dares to question them. I appreciate the compliment, especially coming from someone I rarely agree with :hi:

[msanthrope]

135. No one's silenced Ms. McKinney. She's not been prevented at all from acting the fool. nt

[sabrina 1]

146. Of course she hasn't, but you missed the point, once again.

She has made fools of them all and is proud of it, as she should be. She was RIGHT to question what Bush knew before 9/11 and as we found out, her suspicions turned out to be true. He was warned, over and over again but when she dared raise that question in Congress, there was a silence from the rest of the wimps in Congress too afraid to stand up.

But then, if they had, the fools on the right would have done to them what they tried to do her.

Otoh if enough of them had half her courage and had joined her in her questioning, the real criminals would be the ones being pursued, not the woman who turned out to be right in the end.

I have no respect for cowards and fools, I have the utmost respect for strong, courageous people, especially women.

[sabrina 1]

144. You find Bush supporters more credible than a Democratic

Congresswoman who knew they were lying from day one? Now apply your own logic to that statement, and see if the result appeals to you. If you can. If not, ask, I'll be happy to help.

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99. "But then she is a woman and she is black and was very, very 'uppity'"

Sounds like an excuse McKinney would use to explain her unpopularity and criticismn when the real problem is her lack of credibility and mental issues.


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[sabrina 1]

115. Unpopular? Lol I love when a small group of people, what, about

five or six here, assume because they don't like someone that person is 'unpopular'. To rational people not just here, but around the world, she is highly respected. I hate to tell you, but your opinion is yours, shared with a few others, and I hate to tell you this also, mostly rightwing nutjobs who always hated her because of her courageous stand on the Bush gang when nearly everyone else was scared to death to utter a word against him. Hannity would love this thread, that man was scared to death of Cynthia.

I wouldn't want to be in the company of those who share your views, but to each his/her own.

[LeftyMom]

17. Rationality is unpopular here.

Rec'd, still zero.

[joshcryer]

52. Welcome to DU.

;)

[Name removed]

19. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[EOTE]

21. +1 NT

[T S Justly]

23. I know former Rep. McKinney, But, Loon blogs? never heard of 'em (nt)

[SidDithers]

24. Did she ever solve the mystery of 5000 prisoners, shot in the head and dumped in the swamps...

after Hurricane Katrina?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vVIhyWsa10

She's definitely a loon. She deserves all the ridicule she gets.

Sid

[T S Justly]

25. I'm glad she pursued that line of inquiry - we're talkin' Bush, here (nt)

[SidDithers]

26. She pursued it all the way to a press conference...

can't really figure if she pursued it any further than that.

Sid

[T S Justly]

103. ... to a public airing. (nt)

[SidDithers]

119. And then promptly dropped it...nt

Sid

[T S Justly]

123. ...which led to public discussion, which stll goes on to this day. (nt)

[SidDithers]

125. Really? Where is this public discussion?...

I see ridicule of her batshit crazy claim, but that's about it.

Sid

[T S Justly]

128. Loosely defined, I'd say right here, right now (nt)

[sabrina 1]

147. LOL! You took the words

right off my keyboard. Irony is not dead as long as Sid is around. That's why I like him! :rofl:

[Odin2005]

29. McKinney is our Bachmann, she is a raving lunatic.

[Prometheus Bound]

30. The right wing certainly hates and fears her.

[Archae]

31. No.

They are laughing at her, from her own self-inflicted wounds.

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[Archae]

39. Keep denying how nutty she is.

This press conference?

It never happened! :eyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vVIhyWsa10

[CanSocDem]

41. Explain this....

...why are all her detractors the very same group of pseudo-liberals who are always slightly off the progressive game plan?

This thread is bringing them all out.


.

[sabrina 1]

76. Very astute observation. Agreed.

You can almost predict who will join the far right wackos in their attacks against Democrats who have the guts to stand up and speak the truth. They also call Rep. Kucinich nuts, same crowd.

[Cid_B]

44. Obvious digital fake...

PHOTOCHOP!!!11!!eleven

On a serious note, that woman is a f'ing loon.

[Archae]

46. But...but...don't you see??!!??

We're "pseudo-liberals" who have the actual...GASP...nerve to say even a liberal loon is still a loon.

And that makes us EEEEE-VIL! :crazy:

[SidDithers]

38. +1...nt

Sid

[inna]

36. disgusting and defamatory post

[msanthrope]

64. Which parts aren't true? nt

[RetroLounge]

42. unrec

let's attack progressives. not.

RL

[Wind Dancer]

45. The OP is pure bullshit!

You and many other posters obviously know very little about Cynthia McKinney. I'm disgusted with the ongoing lies about this woman on a Democratic board.

Peddle the BS somewhere else............ please.

:eyes:

[Archae]

48. So I didn't see any video with McKinney saying 5,000 were executed after Katrina?

I just imagined it?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

114. Did you read bvar22's explanation of where this came from

Evidently not.

I know bvar22 personally (he used to live in Minnesota), and he is anything but a loon. Read his explanation. You might learn something.

[Cid_B]

50. Which lies?

Specifically and in order please...

[joshcryer]

60. Good luck with that.

... :rofl:

[sabrina 1]

84. You're not the only one.

Thoroughly disgusting. If we had had more Cynthia McKinneys before the Iraq War, the whole course of this country would have been different.

[msanthrope]

91. You mean the Cynthia McKinney who voted for the AUMF of Sept. 2001?

Woulda, coulda, shoulda...

[SidDithers]

138. Well, now. That's an inconvenient truth, isn't it...nt

Sid

[CrawlingChaos]

47. unrec'd with disgust (n/t)

[sabrina 1]

81. Very disgusting, I joined you in unrec'ing this garbage.

[Archae]

51. Looks like I gored a sacred cow...

Again. :eyes:

[inna]

54. that's in your head; this was just a really low and disgusting post, that's all

[joshcryer]

59. Us old timers.

Always the brunt of the hate for some reason. Guess we calls it likes we see it and it ain't wanted.

[G_j]

65. first to confront Rumsfeld about the Pentagon's missing trillions

First to call for the impeachment of Bush... :thumbsup:

[Rex]

72. Haters gotta hate.

[sabrina 1]

82. She was brilliant in that cross-questioning of Rumsfeld.

One of the few moments of hope we had during that awful period. He hated her for that. If only there had more members of Congress with her courage, they could have stopped those criminals before they destroyed this country. Shame on them for leaving out there, alone to fight the Bush gang.

What was striking was how unimpressive he was under her questioning. How easy they could have been taken down if there had been more McKinneys in Congress at the time.

[msanthrope]

89. Wrong. Senator Byrd took on Rumsfeld a year prior. I suggest you recall the summer 2005

Armed Services Committee hearings. He was asked repeatedly about the money, the insurgency, and resignation. Teddy Kennedy, Durbin, and Byrd. Mc Kinney's 2006 rant about the sex trade followed that.

Now she did ask him in 2005 about missing money. For FY 1999 and 2000. That's not the Iraq war. And by that time, Rumsfeld had answered plenty of questions about FY 1999 and FY 2000.

And then of course, looney tunes McKinney veers off and asks about wargames on 9/11.


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/031505_mckinney_transcript.shtml


"Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va.: "Mr. Secretary, I've watched you with a considerable amount of amusement. ... I've been here a long time, longer than you have. ... I've seen a lot of secretaries of defense. ... I don't think I've ever heard a secretary of defense who likes to lecture the committee as much as you. ...

"You may not like our questions but we represent the people. ... We ask the questions that the people ask of us whether you like it or not. ... The problem is we didn't ask enough questions at the beginning of this war that we got into, Mr. Bush's war. ...

"I don't mean to be discourteous. I've just heard enough of your smart answers to these people here who are elected. ... So get off your high horse when you come up here."

Rumsfeld didn't respond to those remarks."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co...rticle/2005/06/23/AR2005062301334.html


As for her articles of Impeachment, didn't she only do that AFTER she had lost her seat? As a lame duck???? What, it never occurred to her BEFORE she lost her seat? Oh--that might not have sat well in her district during her re-election campaign....

Let's face it, her hastily thrown together 4 Articles were bullshit. At least Wexler/Kucinich put some thought into theirs.

[msanthrope]

66. We remember history. for example, although McKinney was a Green party darling in 2008,

us oldsters remember the disgusting thing she said about Al Gore, her batshit crazy conspiracy theories about Tupac Shakur, her revolting antisemitism, her flirting with NOI, and her striking a Capitol Hill officer.

I have no idea what's progressive about her...unless people think that antisemitism is a good value for the left.

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[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

109. Not really

Most people are smart enough to not care about her or deny the fact she was ever in the Democratic party.

Seriously, she's old news. If she calls the president an Uncle Tom again, then let us know.

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[cherokeeprogressive]

57. Here's what she said at a conference on Sep 28, 2008. I'd have to agree with the pick.

Loooooooony. She spoke with Red Cross insiders who didn't want to be identified, who confirmed this... right? "I have verification from insiders who wish to remain anonymous at the Red Cross that this is true. I suspect that these were prisoners."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vVIhyWsa10

[Starry Messenger]

58. At least she isn't a furry.

[msanthrope]

61. Loon apple didn't fall far from loon tree. Her Dad is as nutty as squirrel poo, and

so is she.

[KoKo]

106. Hey...you are a "proponent" of the "Sins of the Father don't fall far from the Daughter" Fundie

School of Thought?

Okay...I gotcha.

Peace to You. You need it!

[msanthrope]

136. No, I'm saying then when your campaign advisor and your security guards get involved in

separate, highly-publicized racist rants, and you do nothing, then you are as nuts as they are.

He father is nuts. So is she. She learned well.

[G_j]

63. somebody gets my nomination for the list of top haters

Anyone who uses the word "moron" as often as this dude has a problem.

[Prometheus Bound]

90. He seems to qualify for loon status himself.

His conclusion: "she is a real threat to sanity and society"

How can she be a threat to sanity? What does that mean?

How can she be a threat to society, except to some paranoid, fucked-up, right-wing loon?

[arikara]

68. unrec

for bullshit

[Rex]

71. Haters gotta hate.

[sabrina 1]

77. Yes, I don't think she cares. While they are hating, she is

fighting for social justice. I doubt she bothers with them.

[MadHound]

87. Of course she is,

Given that she's not a good little Democrat, and certainly no Republican, the powers that be have long set out to destroy her career and reputation.

[Mudoria]

88. A real nutjob

[greiner3]

92. I'd vote for Cynthia any day;

Because some blogger makes a list those of us on DU are supposed to even care?

Add several more posters to my ignore list. Thank you OP.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

104. The American Loons blog undermines its case with a few points

And that's a shame because I would agree that Cynthia McKinney is an extremist, anti-Semite fool and that the Democrats kept her in their ranks for way too long

First of all they need to get their facts right. Cynthia McKinney was not ousted from Congress in 2004 nor did the Capitol police incident happen in 2004. Her second congressional primary defeat happened in 2006, as did the Capitol Police incident. I know it is just a minor error but it does make them look a bit sloppy for them not to have their facts straight

Secondly I'll agree the Hurricane Katrina, 9/11 conspiracy theories and Jeb Bush drug ring theories are very kooky but the MLK, RFK and JFK conspiracy theories -however absurd you may think of them -have become over time widely incorporated into mainstream thought. For example, some members of MLK's family believe that James Earl Ray did not kill MLK. Should they be lumped in the same category as McKinney?

Thirdly, it is intellectually dishonest to claim that McKinney is the Democratic answer to Michele Bachman. The difference between McKinney and Bachman is this -McKinney was often on the fringe of the Democratic Party, not taken very seriously by much of the Democratic rank-and-file, was defeated in two Democratic primaries and would never have been at any stage a frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination. Furthermore she quit the party and ran as a Green so she's no longer a Democrat. Bachman, by contrast, has been accepted into the mainstream of the Republican Party, was at one stage leading the campaign for the Republican presidential nomination, has not lost a primary challenge because she was considered too extreme and furthermore is still very much actively involved in the GOP, unlikely McKinney and the Democrats

[KoKo]

105. GET A LIFE..Cynthia TRASHING is Old News here on DU! You have all been trashing

her for years and who cares what YOU SAY, anymore.

Get OVER HER....She's Truth and you are ...TRASHING....

[Prometheus Bound]

110. "The Vilification of Cynthia McKinney" by Time for change (2009)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6026346#6030664

[msanthrope]

127. Excellent thread with several examples of her bigotry and lunacy. nt

[sabrina 1]

151. Excellent OP, thank you. I see some familiar

old Hannity talking points in the thread and the expert debunking of them. All I can say is Hannity got his money's worth for those talking points. I never saw such fear and hatred against any women, left or right, that was displayed against Cynthia McKinney by Hannity and the Fox gang of liars and smear merchants.

He would love it that his words were so effective they are still being used even here on DU.

[in_cog_ni_to]

111. I like Cynthia.

:shrug:

[Douglas Carpenter]

116. how come he didn't include as loons the people who claimed Iraq was a threat to the United States

and pushed for the invasion that has broken our country, destroyed Iraq and cost over a million lives and well over a trillion dollars? How more loony can you get then that?

How come he doesn't include as loony those who claim to be protecting the country while raping the constitution with illegal and unconstitutional detention and surveillance? How more loony can you get then that?

How come he doesn't include as loony those who still push neoliberal economics which has caused the de-industrialization of America, the exploitation of the third world and the creation of the biggest wealth gap since the gilded era? How more loony can you get than that?

I have to agree that Cynthia McKinney has said some pretty wacky things in her time. But in the big picture - What harm has she actually caused? Whatever loopy things she has said had little or no effect on the country or the world. The real issue is not that she said loony things, but that said many perfectly rational things and some far out stuff that challenges institutional power. While those who make far crazier and far more dangerous claims that rake havoc upon the the world still enjoy their positions respectability and power.

[Archae]

122. Because they weren't loons.

Being batshit nuts like Bachmann would give them an excuse for their greed, and deceptions.

They knew fucking well it was wrong, but went ahead with their shit anyway, confident they would never be truly called to account for the death and misery they caused in Iraq.

[sabrina 1]

153. War criminals who talk about imaginary Mushroom Clouds

and invisible WMDs heading our way are not Loons??? Well, that's a first. Your priorities in the 'loon' category are interesting to say to the least, but they do explain your fascination with the Loony Blogger whose rightwing garbage you posted in the OP.

Just a hint though fyi, Lying, Murderous, Torturing War Criminals who have no compunction, no conscience about killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people are generally considered throughout history by rational people, to be pretty 'Loony', psycho, pathological among other things.

That was an amazing comment. I might even save it as I have never before seen anyone seriously suggest that a woman who tried to stop the murderous psychos from slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people, is more 'loony' than they are.

[Prometheus Bound]

133. What a great post!

[Prometheus Bound]

134. .

double post

[ensho]

120. I like her

always have

[geek tragedy]

126. She also accused Al Gore of being a racist.

It's hard to say whether her lunacy is a function of her stupidity, or vice versa.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

132. You are obviously getting your "knowledge" from the MSM

I've seen videos of her questioning pin-striped crooks in Congressional committee hearings. There's nothing stupid about her, and for a "crazy" person, she's amazingly able to track a line of questioning. (If you've ever been in contact with any REAL mentally ill or delusional people, you'll be able to tell the difference.)

[msanthrope]

137. Straight from the horse's mouth--McKinney herself. She's a loon.

CT on 5,000 executed in Katrina--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgu5Q4wpEj4


Of course, it's not batshit crazy insane to introduce legislation based on the working theory that Tupac Shakur was shot by the CIA, right?????

[in_cog_ni_to]

145. How do you know what she said about the 5000 souls with a single gunshot to the head

isn't true? Seriously. Didn't you watch what went on in NOLA after Katrina? Remember the police on the bridge who refused to let starving, thirsty people cross over it into Gretna, LA.? Remember the people stranded in the Superdome? Why do you find it so hard to believe that 5000 black men (possibly prisoners) would have been shot in the head and dumped in the swamps? Hell, I believe it could have happened. This is NOLA we're talking about. And BUSH/CHENEY were in office at the time. ANYTHING is possible! The fucking POTUS was out eating fucking BIRTHDAY CAKE with John McCain while NOLA was destroyed by Katrina! How can you be so certain what Cynthia says is not true?

[msanthrope]

150. Right. Because no one would notice 5,000 missing prisoners?

Not their friends, families, etc????

No one would notice 5,000 bodies festering in a swamp?

Please.

[EFerrari]

139. This mishmash of rightwing garbage doesn't belong on DU. nt

[G_j]

142. she gets more hate than Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld combined

Maybe throw in a little Glen Beck, she still garners more hatred here.

[RZM]

143. That is absurdly false

Look at the rec count on this thread. It's at zero. I'd be very surprised if a thread criticizing Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, or Glenn Beck garnered zero recs. By your logic this thread should be at the top of greatest page.

[G_j]

149. I am referring to the AMOUNT of hatred, even if the number of people may be

relatively small. I've been here for a long time, I stand by what I said.

[apocalypsehow]

160. "Standing" by what you said by rephrasing what you said makes it no less false. Pro tip. n/t.

[G_j]

161. I respect your opinion. nt

[msanthrope]

152. Critique of the Green Party's 2008 candidate for president isn't allowed now???? nt

[sabrina 1]

154. I agree, it's disgusting, truly.

[Wind Dancer]

148. Why hasn't this thread been deleted?

It's obviously flame-bait and written by a real LOON from some obscure blog. It's brought out some real winners on DU that continue to spread disinformation about Cynthia McKinney yet it continues to stay on the front page. WTF?

[cherokeeprogressive]

156. Spreading disinformation here...

Or is it HER who is spreading disinfo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vVIhyWsa10

[sabrina 1]

158. I think it's better to leave it. I find it interesting to see who

repeats rightwing talking points about a very courageous and outspoken, African American Progressive Politician. I remember the when this all happened, so I recognize the talking points. Back then I used to come here and to other Democratic forums to get away from this kind of garbage, now I guess, it's here and I wonder why.

[Wind Dancer]

159. I wonder why, too!

Will leave it at that! :hug:

[RZM]

163. People of many different political stripes are hostile to conspiracy theories

Personally, I find 9/11 CTs and the 5000 bodies in the swamp thing to be nutty ideas. Please don't insinuate that doing so is 'repeating right wing talking points.' The right does not have a monopoly on anti-CT thinking. In fact, plenty of right wingers are sympathetic to equally stupid conspiracy theories. I'm just as capable of evaluating McKinney's statements on my own as you are. I did not base my opinion of her beliefs on a Newsmax article. I based it on her own words.

A better approach would be to defend McKinney's statements about 9/11 and Katrina if you think my assessment is wrong. If you can't, maybe it's because you actually agree that they are nutty?

[Taverner]

155. Yes, but Cynthia is NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IS SHE????

At least not on the dem ticket...

[truth2power]

157. 9/11 conspiracy theories. Not counting the "official" conspiracy theory, I guess. n/t

[lunatica]

164. I have always liked her.

[KamaAina]

166. Biggie didn't kill Tupac

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupac_Shakur#Murder_case

Due largely to a perceived lack of progress by law enforcement in the investigation of Shakur's murder, many independent investigations and theories emerged. Because of the acrimony between Shakur and Biggie (who was murdered in March 1997), there was speculation from the outset about the possibility of Biggie's involvement. Biggie, as well as his family, relatives, and associates, vehemently denied all such accusations. In 2002, the LA Times published a story by Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter Chuck Philips, who claimed to have uncovered evidence implicating Biggie, in addition to Anderson and the Southside Crips, in the attack. Philips quoted unnamed gang-member sources who claimed Biggie had ties to the Crips, often hiring them for security during West Coast appearances, and that Biggie colluded with the Crips to murder Shakur. In 2008, after The Smoking Gun reported that the documents relied upon by Philips for his story were fraudulent, the LA Times printed an official front-page retraction of Philips' story. Less than five months later, Philips accepted a buyout and left the LA Times.

In support of their claims, Biggie's family submitted documentation to MTV suggesting that he was working in a New York recording studio the night of the drive-by shooting. His manager Wayne Barrow and fellow rapper James "Lil' Cease" Lloyd made public announcements denying Biggie's partaking in the crime and claimed further that they were both with him in the recording studio during the night of the event.

Then again, I'm pretty sure the CIA didn't, either. :tinfoilhat: