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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:20 PM Original message |
CNN poll: Half favor repealing health care law. Which is why we should compromise and repeal the |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
1. No more polls |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. The mandate is important to the overall bill |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. The mandate is ONLY important to for-profit insurance corporations |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Not true |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. "If I'm going to have to get my health insurance from a for profit..." |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I didn't lose you. You are going to deal with the system we have |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
48. You're basically right. The Democrats took Single Payer off the table |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
103. they "took it off the table" because about 5 people in the senate caucus supported it. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. And they arrested the Single Payer advocates |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
67. Except that forcing people to buy a consumer product is unconstitutional |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
70. Dealing with the system we have means preventing the repubs from repealing the whole bill, |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
89. A form of single payer has taken hold - it's called Medicare |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
99. oh please. You may as well be on Free Republic to say: |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #99 |
105. I gather your employer has not moved to one of those delightful "Consumer Driven Health Plans" |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Oh I see... you've had the tastiest insurance through your employer |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #111 |
120. Obama and the alleged Democrats in Congress are the ones who have |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #89 |
104. obama did that singlehandedly huh? he could have strongarmed our entire caucus to make it so? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. He could have vetoed the bill |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #110 |
135. single payer never had the support to get out of committee. you can disbelieve simple facts if it |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
108. That's why the Public Option should have been included. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
51. Well without a mandate the insurance companies would have to attract those clients |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #51 |
97. Ins. co's get by quite well now w/o those clients |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Those young people are going to be one of the most heavily subsidized groups |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #102 |
145. I couldn't agree more. The thougt that big insurance will |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
139. And how are those people who cannot afford it now, |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Co-ops |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. As I understand it.. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. The 'not for profits' already exist and already have |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. No. This is something completely different. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Actually, it's BCBS that's working on it right now |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. We already had co-ops BEFORE the HCR bill. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. We have "co ops" now. They are not and have never been a "public option". |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #88 |
101. Really? Could you give an example of a co-op |
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subterranean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
4. Medicare for All? Public option?? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. Assuming that eliminating the mandate would result |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. If you eliminate the mandate for this |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. If people understood it, you wouldn't have to fight for it |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. No matter how you spin the name |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. What was passed already resulted in a pay cut for me |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
106. at BCBS? |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:51 PM Response to Reply #106 |
121. Yep. Due to the provision in HCR around MLR |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #27 |
131. We are talking of the government mandate |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #131 |
132. "the loss of free choice, not money" |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. That is you're opinion |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #136 |
166. Do you have a jump to conclusions mat? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
146. There is no mandate for single payer |
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NuclearDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Repeal the mandate...but as somone who HAS gotten insurance as a result of reform... |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
109. Glad to hear that you have benefitted... but your throwing under the bus the mandates |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #109 |
148. Eliminating the mandate will not eliminate the other reforms in the bill. |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. How can you repeal the mandate and not the pre-existing condition change? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Exactly. n/t |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. How? By compromising with the Republicans who claim |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
53. What stops them now? 85% of the country has coverage, with no mandate. |
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markpkessinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Precisely! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. Are you saying that without the mandate, big insurance will go bankrupt? |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
95. I'll say that but not for the same reasons |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
62. The mandate doesn't prevent people from buying insurance only after they get sick. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. The fine is just stupid for the low income people who qualify for subsidies |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Very good point! |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. But you'd be paying the fine indefinitely before you get sick and seek insurance |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
81. Right. People are just irrational about it. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. No, people don't want to be forced to pay for services that they never recieve from |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. You know I've been through all this before when the law was being passed |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:45 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. It's not that the never cover anything, it's just that they |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Have you read the portion of the bill that deals with insurers denying claims? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
142. Yes. They can still deny claims if they claim that the patient has committed |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. Repealing the mandate would be as silly as deciding no one |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. (you changed your title) So, is Medicare a for-profit system? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. And the socialists have had plenty of time to prove their plans |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yeah, they fought Congress for decades to get SS and Medicare |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Fine. Were they capitalists then? n/t |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Actually, the Capitalists used FDR to push back against the Left |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
31. The "socialists" isn't that a far right meme? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. Yes n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
115. I like socialists. But I was responding to the previous post |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #115 |
143. FDR Democrats, perhaps... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. Weren't most of them socialists? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
57. What socialists would those be? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #57 |
117. The previous post referred to capitalists. I suppose I could have |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. You should have gone full bore and accused them of being Communists! |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
63. "socialists" |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
83. Uh-Oh. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. No. And the mandate doesn't require anyone to buy insurance. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. If you can prove you're already giving Insurance Execs money.... |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #19 |
64. You're not supposed to call it a tax.. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
29. The plan will NOT collapse. The only |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. how the hell would the private insurers collapse? you really don't understand the issue i am afraid. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. So you are saying that without a mandate, the insurers will be just fine? Then why have it? |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. this has been spelled out many times. if you don't grasp the fact by now, you never will. sorry. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Nor does the rest of the civilized world. That's why for-profit basic insurance is illegal |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. That's a very important distinction. Nowhere else has mandatory for-profit insurance |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. i'm not advocating for private insurance over a govt run plan. no one here is. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
75. I understand what your saying, but this isn't about |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
94. i'm stil not seeing where ins co's go bankrupt. they were screwing ppl and reaping obscene profits |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #94 |
150. If big insurance will not go bankrupt, |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
125. I do not believe health insurers will go into bankruptcy without the mandate. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #125 |
149. I agree. The mandate is unecessary, unpopular, and getting rid of it |
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DonCoquixote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
78. OK |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Just look at the polls - the majority of Americans do want SP or a PO, and |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. Lots of people get Medicare who didn't pay into it. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
168. NO, once you turn 65 and qualify for Medicare, |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
23. How many supported paying for the uninsured? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Which is why Medicare for All works. The Repubs want a compromise - what part of the bill should we |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. why would medicare for all work? why, because it would be MANDATED. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It is not a mandate, it is a tax. Big difference. The mandate is like allowing a private company |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. taxes aren't optional. |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Medicare for all is a misnomer |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
92. Yes it would be mandated - we all know we're going to have to pay for health care somehow |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. i'm not disagreeing with you about medicare for all. what i'm saying is we didn't have |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
72. uncompensated care accounts for a tiny portion total health care expenses.. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
28. ROFL @ The Mandate Being Ruled Unconstitutional |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. 1 is all it takes. The Repubs hate the mandate, let's pony up with them and |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
107. The Repubs LOVE the mandate. They will fight repealing only that provision |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #107 |
156. Here is where getting the Dems to repeal the mandate becomes a political coup! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
32. mandated coverage is the only way to even out the risk pool. we've been over this a million times |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. That is only true in a non-profit scenario, otherwise the corporation |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. It's a guaranteed costs plus contract. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. And it's been rebutted a million times. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
73. Precisely, but they will never address these issues. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
86. Uninsured people have been turned into Welfare Queens. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
114. Just because someone rebuts it doesn't mean their rebuttal is accurate. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #114 |
151. If I might |
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Riftaxe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
40. But if you repeal the mandate |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
52. So eager to buy into RW memes. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I disagree. The mandate is to (some) Democrats what tort reform is to Republicans |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. it's not a magic bullet, but it is, in fact, one aspect of a rather lousy bill that will decrease |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. The mandate will not decrease costs, the profits will go into corporate profits, not to |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. you forgot the part ofthe bill that mandates a specific percentage of premiums is spent on treatment |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. 80% |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
90. I don't care if it's 99%. |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #65 |
93. Actually it's 80-85% (depending on the group size) be spent on claims or |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:23 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. i personally would like single payer. but we couldn't get that even with the dem majorities |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
71. Half the people think their taxes went up |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
74. Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 09:25 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. This bill has as much to do with "affordable care" |
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rgbecker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
76. OK, let's see your count of votes in the house for no Mandate...... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. What we're talking about here is saving the rest of the bill by giving away the mandate, |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #80 |
116. If by being "saved," you mean making insurance cost thousands PER MONTH for everyone |
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Brilliantrocket (196 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I don't understand why I have to pay for something I don't want- |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. Because you are going to need healthcare at some point in your life, whether you want it or not. n/t |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jan-18-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #119 |
122. You could say the same thing about food, water, shelter.. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 12:53 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. The price of food/water/shelter does not go up when you don't pay for it. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #124 |
152. No, there is NO COUNTRY in the world that has a mandate to buy for-profit insurance |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #124 |
164. You're argument in support of the mandate is fairly twisted. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:36 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. Do you want to live in a country where emergency rooms let you bleed to death |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:33 AM Response to Reply #118 |
127. Do you drive a car? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #127 |
137. Auto insurance analogy is flawed on many levels. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 02:12 PM Response to Reply #137 |
140. And when people who have no insurance turn up at emergency rooms, what happens? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Last time my uninsured self went to the ER I paid for it. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #144 |
155. I'm sort of hardworking, more responsible than I used to be, and I am white. |
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shimmergal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #155 |
169. A single payer system is NOT |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. A single payer system- which makes the most sense, IMHO- basically makes everyone one big ins. pool. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #155 |
170. I'm sure there may be people who have that approach but I think you're overestimating their numbers |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. And the choices remain: Do nothing, enact a single payer system, or have incremental change. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #140 |
158. The emergency room ALWAYS sends the patient a bill. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #158 |
163. And the patient always pays it? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #127 |
154. No. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. That's probably a good thing, if you also refuse to have health insurance. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. I have Kaiser, from my employer. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. I agree 100% on Single Payer, sir. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #116 |
153. There is no mechanism in the bill that would |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
126. Oh, God, not this fight about the Mandate again. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #126 |
160. Yes you can. You eliminate the mandate by |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #160 |
173. You say you work for Kaiser. Isn't Kaiser non-profit? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
128. Eliminating the mandate is a good way to appeal to moderate voters. |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. And an EXCELLENT way to kill all possible progress/reform for yet another generation. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #133 |
141. How and why would it kill any reform? All it would do is allow us to get a claw back from |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 03:41 AM Response to Original message |
130. Don't feed the hungry |
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divine_truine (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
134. POLLS SCHMOLLS! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
138. "optional universal" health care is an oxymoron. nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
161. The bill does not provide universal health care. |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
165. +1000 |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-19-11 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
167. Exactly how would repeal put Medicare for All or a public option back on the table? |
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