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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:09 AM Original message |
President Obama delivers a "devastating hit" to the U. S. Constitution and international law |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. This guy wasn't much of a citizen |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Read your Constitution. Treason is clearly defined. What he did |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
76. How is it not treason? From Article 3: |
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Old Troop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
88. what part of "aid and comfort to the enemy" don't you understand? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. So what terrorist attacks did Anwar Al-Awlaki organize and direct in the United States? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Our criminal justice system was not put together for boy scouts |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. I think there are some people on this board that are so young |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
97. But it IS possible to petition the Court... |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
3. You can have al-Awlaki. I'll stick with Obama. We'll see who gets farther. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. I'll defend our laws and the U.S. Constitution on this rather than President Obama. |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. you would defend anything against Obama. that much is clear. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. I'm sure that President Obama is a very charming and likable person. |
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YellowCosmicSun (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Nobody's fooled. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
46. Correct - you've fooled nobody. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
84. He's fooled himself. |
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Bobbie Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
55. Thank you. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
82. How is it relevant whether one 'likes' the man or not? |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. +1000000000000000 |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. + a zillion |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
52. I'm with you. n/t |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
66. a question of priorities |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
4. THe penalty for Treason is Death. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The penalty phase shouldn't precede the trial. n/t |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Thanks! I knew there was something... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
71. Brilliantly and concisely statted. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
77. So as long as you have a private army and reside in a foreign country |
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PSPS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. Opinions on this seem to follow the Obama divide |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. Not true for me |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. That's a cute way to frame it |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
85. Yes, and that is a major problem. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
7. That Obama |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. There is a possiblity |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Right. Do you want a "pure" Bill of Rights with trials, juries, free speech and other stuff? |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. You, I and all of the other posters have one luxury |
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Octafish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Good point. That must explain why Bush and Cheney remain free. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Is President Obama also assuming responsibility for undermining our Constitution and Bill of Rights? |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. I imagine that, given the different options, |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. And would have taken that option in either case |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
50. President Obama shouldn't have the option to either defend or defy the U.S. Constitution |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. Ideally that choice should never be an option. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. You prefer that the President uphold the Constitution when it's convenient? How liberal of you! |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Would you risk your neck to capture him? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Yes. So what terrorist attacks did this guy organize? Be specific. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I said inspired attacks. Youtube videos available. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. So which specific terrorist attacks on the homeland did he "inspire"? |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. We've been going around and around for a while |
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StarsInHerHair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. so where are the youtube links? you seem to have nothing but ignorance on your side |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. So you can't find any terrorist attacks that you allege he inspired. |
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Recovered Repug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Odd, anyone with a little effort could have found the following: |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. So you're basing your evidence on a secret government memo you've never read!!!! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. Jack Nicholson delivered this line better. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
96. I consider "purist" an epithet the same as "nigger" or any other |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. oh yeah. they're all over this. |
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Broderick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Blind support is easy |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
25. Yes, he did. k/r |
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Progressive dog (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
27. Why not ask the congress to impeach Obama? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. The Constitution isn't, but the Bush Doctrine most certainly is |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Boner is the speaker now |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. "The Constitution is not a suicide pact." |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. This Congress would be willing to do it, too |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
32. When you cut through all the bull shit |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Human rights are not limited to people who like you and whom you like. n/t |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. Very true |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:52 PM Response to Reply #58 |
74. Don't weep for people who make bad choices unless they make bad choices |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. I'm not trying to be a prick about this |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. It's okay if we disagree. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
33. Yes. But, extrajudiciial killing of Americans accompanied by flag waving is a good campaign move. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
35. The president had sufficient legal authority under the 2001 AUMF to carry out the operation. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. That's not settled, no. He claims he does. n/t |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. The law calls for the president to make the determination. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. That happens to be wrong. You should go see what |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. The case was dismissed for lack of standing. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. The court said this case raised very serious questions. |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
36. quick question: does the due process have to be in an US court, or can it be in the court of another |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. It depends if one is referencing U.S. Constitutional Due Process |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. could one not argue that he was tried in Yemen(which i'm quite sure he was) |
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Melinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I've not seen proof he was tried in Yemen, but that argument could be asserted. |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #53 |
86. Yeah, sure, US should now ask all the "friendly" regimes in the world |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Do you consider Saudi Arabia to be a "friendly" regime with "friendly" anti-terrorist rulers? |
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Fool Count (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Did you take my suggestion seriously? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
65. ... |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
51. Nonsense. It's just like a SWAT team. |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. What of the innocents? |
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gulliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I don't know the answer to your question. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. The Bush Doctrine is OK if it's implemented by a Democratic President |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. You sound like Sister Sarah now, this wasn't part of the Bush Doctrine. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 06:14 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. So you think this is a new doctrine? You may be right. What would you call it? |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Do SWAT teams used predator drones? When did that start? |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. When Obama doesn't want to look like he is starting another war. n/t |
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Dragonbreathp9d (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
70. It's hard for me to rejoice over the death of any human being |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
73. Thank you. I just cannot believe how this is bringing out the true colors of people. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-01-11 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
89. Anwar al-Awlaki vs. Kamal Derwish |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-02-11 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
95. Is it time to throw the ACLU under the bus? What the hell do they know about the Constitution? |
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