Pregnant Pacifica woman NOT killed by pit bull but by fall off ladder

[uppityperson]

Why disttrust msm for their reporting until it reports something that bolsters your opinion? Does MSM lie, do they "sex up" the news"? I think so.

http://www.examiner.com/american-pit-bull-in-national/pacifica-dog-mauling-what-really-happened-1

Greg Napora returned home for lunch yesterday in Pacifica, California to find his wife, Darla, lying dead on the floor and their male pit bull standing over her. Darla was six months pregnant.
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Had the media that dived into the frenzy done a bit more investigating, they might have discovered the real truth behind Darla’s death.

According to residents of the Napora neighborhood, the dog did not maul Darla Napora, “just found out that the woman fell off a ladder and hit her head...husband came home found the dog standing over her...he put the dog out side....it got loose and cops shot the dog...thinking that it had mauled the lady. The dog had blood on it's body because he was trying to nudge her to make her move....”
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The people who covered this story need to re-examine the facts. Hopefully, an autopsy will be performed and answer the many questions left gaping and open in the articles. If discovered Gunner was innocent and pawing his mom to ‘wake up’, the dog is still dead.

What a good dog, trying to wake his owner. Too bad he is dead now.

[ecstatic]

1. What if the dog rammed the ladder, causing her fall?

:shrug: I wonder why she was climbing a ladder in the first place? That's really sad that her husband may not have been doing his part around the house.

[uppityperson]

2. sexist much? eom

[ret5hd]

3. why is it the husbands place to climb ladders?

[SoCalNative]

8. Maybe because she was 6 months pregnant?

Just a thought

[LeftyMom]

17. Pregnancy is not a crippling illness.

I went up and down big ladders at work carrying heavy items well past six months pregnant. A few busybodies clucked their tongues, but my CNM said that I could do anything I felt physically comfortable doing.

[Luminous Animal]

5. What? I climbed ladders, went hiking, kayaking... all while I was pregnant.

Chances of me falling off a ladder while pregnant or not pregnant are the same.

[ecstatic]

12. I'm glad you felt strong enough to do that, but I'm not sure it was that wise

I think kayaking, etc. is not advised during pregnancy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Latter part of pregnancy, aka last trimester

[Luminous Animal]

83. What do you suppose women who work do during pregnancy? I was also managing a retail

store at the time and I was on my feet 8 hours a day... add to that an hour commute each way. That is what the working class do when they are pregnant. Kayaking was a rest compared to my work days.

[tblue37]

104. Not so. A pregnant woman's body is unbalanced because the baby is

carried in front, and its size & weight change as it grows, so as she adjusts to one size/weight in front, her balance changes again.

Some women don't have a problem with that, but many women do, and since that is so, it is better for most pregnant women not to climb ladders if they can avoid it, unless there is someone around to help them if they fall.

My balance when I was pregnant was so screwed up that I had trouble on a little step stool! I would never have tried to climb a ladder! Just because some women can handle certain things while pregnant doesn't eman all women can handle all the same things while pregnant.

Each woman carries her pregnancy her own way, and until she is pregnant, she isn't going to know exactly how she will carry it.

[Luminous Animal]

106. Middle class women have the luxury of carrying on their pregnancies as if they are the princess and

the pea.

[Adsos Letter]

7. Flame-Bait. n/m

[DBoon]

18. I bet the dog chewed off the legs of the ladder

knowing that the woman would fall and hit her head, so the dog would get an easy meal of human flesh

I something goes wrong and a pitbull is near, always blame the dog

[Liberal Veteran]

22. LOL

:thumbsup:

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. My, I have climbed my share of ladders

both while on duty and around the house.

I almost bet I know how to do more safely too.

[elehhhhna]

59. perhaps the dog hid her vitaminsor heating pad on top of the tallest cabinet!

in the first place!!!1!

Stupidnaughty dog.

[CreekDog]

107. i hope you're proud of yourself if he reads that you think it's his fault his wife is dead

bravo.

[_ed_]

110. Hey Archie Bunker, the 1950s called and they want

their gender norms back.

[snooper2]

112. you watch way to many B horror movies

[Brickbat]

4. Nice unattributed quotes. Why anyone thinks examiner.com is a decent news source is beyond me.

[petronius]

19. Thanks, I might not have caught that; it's like a stealth-wikipedia for news

I don't see anything to support the claim in the OP from any other sources, seems like one of these 'examiners' is branching into op-ed fiction...

[uppityperson]

25. Comment on article in SF news paper online thing...(searching for more)

http://southsanfrancisco.patch.com/articles/pregnant-pacifica-woman-killed-by-pet-pit-bull

Doug Robinson
8:15pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
Lets wait for the autopsy I talked to the police and will wait for the professionals to make a decision I have been a police officer and a detective for several years. This is my daughter and I will wait for the evidence. I love you Darla. I will always miss you. You will always be my baby. Love You.

[uppityperson]

26. I find links to that comment all over, including huffpost

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/LeftLeanWing/pregnant-pacifica-woman-k_n_925043_102379744.html

Guess we may have to wait and see what the autopsy finds out.

[uppityperson]

27. HuffPost link to comment with link to where the comment by her father came froom

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/LeftLeanWing/pregnant-pacifica-woman-k_n_925043_102379744.html

[MattSh]

108. Well then, the WMD stories must have been real...

Decent news sources like the NY Times and the Washington Post told me so.

[Adsos Letter]

6. I sure don't know why anyone would unrec this. This was a major story here

in the Bay Area, with the usual arguments for/against Pit Bull ownership on KGO, etc. Interesting to see that it may not have been what was originally reported.

[Brickbat]

9. I did for a crappy source.

[uppityperson]

11. I'm looking for another one. Why trust msm for some reporting and not for others?

THAT is the bigger story and question here.

[Brickbat]

28. Why make assumptions about what else I trust?

But having worked in newspapers for many years, I'm going to look at a blog by a person who rescues pits, attributing a sympathetic quote to "neighbors," as much less trustworthy than something that attributes a police report that says she has "major trauma."

Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the husband beat her to death. But examiner.com is like the wikipedia of the news world. It means nothing.

[uppityperson]

30. the original article said "apparently" killed by dog, but many seem to have missed that

Did you see I found a link on HuffPost? Does that meet your standards better? It does mine.

[Brickbat]

35. No, my union is boycotting HuffPost, so I don't read it.

The SF Examiner stories I read do not say "apparently" or "allegedly". They are reporting it as fact that the dog mauled her.

[uppityperson]

37. SFgate article ", here is from article posted on DU, and looks like they changed it.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/11/BAK21KMFEB.DTL

(08-11) 16:57 PDT PACIFICA -- A pregnant Pacifica woman was found dead by her husband today after an apparent attack by a family pit bull, police said.

NOW it reads:
PACIFICA -- A pregnant Pacifica woman was mauled and killed by a family pit bull Thursday inside her home and discovered by her husband when he returned from work.

[Brickbat]

39. I would guess the reporters have heard quite a few details from the cops, and are safe in reporting

it that way. Cut and dried.

[uppityperson]

45. Without an autopsy it is "apparent" so no, media are not safe reporting "was"

They are just reporting news in a way that gets people to read their stuff and makes them money.

[Brickbat]

52. Clearly, neither of us is going to convince the other.

It happens.

[uppityperson]

56. I'll be watching for a report after the autopsy. MSM sells their product and sexes it up.

Can we agree on that?

[hobbit709]

13. Evidently the facts are less important than the source.

[LisaL]

94. What facts?

[uppityperson]

10. because pit bulls are evil and because they don't like being called on prejudices?

Did you see anything in your local media about this ladder bit? Since someone complained about the source, was wondering.

It seems odd how msm is totally distrusted except when it has a story that supports someone's prejudices, isn't it?

[ecstatic]

15. Do you have pit bulls? nt

[uppityperson]

20. facts are less important than the source. Gotcha. Civilized countries ban ladders.

[ecstatic]

33. Actually, if you had them I was going to tell you to be safe

You trust them to a fault. Blind trust is never good.

[uppityperson]

42. No, I don't. You assume too much. I trust no dog "to a fault" but also distrust no breed to a fault

either. Any dog is capable of biting. I've been bitten/attacked by a small mixed breed mutt, a chihuahua, a spaniel, a lab, a st bernard. a husky/wolf mix. Yes, I have been around for a while and been around dogs and people with dogs a lot.

Blind trust, like blind fear, is never good.

We recently lost our 95# bronze retriever (golden retriver/rott mix) after 12 yrs. His jobs were barking when someone came to the door, chasing deer out of the yard, and whining whenever the cats started hissing at each other. First thing I did when we got him was train him to drop things on command (practiced when he was eating), to drop his toy during "tug" if he felt any finger in his mouth, etc. He was too big to let him have any leeway. I never trusted him alone with kids or chickens.

Don't lecture me on blind trust.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

62. What the hell have you been up to getting bit so often?

[uppityperson]

64. One by one...

I've been bitten/attacked by

a small mixed breed mutt, owned by a neighbor who I visited as a kid. Dog came wagging out to the door, reached down and chomp. "Oh yes, he does that" said the neighbor. Turned out the damn dog had bit about 20 people and finally got reported.

a chihuahua: again as a child visiting friends with a hyperactive chihuahua door guard

a spaniel: as a younger child, hopped a fence into a yard to pet the dog. First time I got bit. Learned to not approach dogs in fences or not with their owners.

a lab: wasn't bit but backed up to the door until I got my long hair tied up. It was a rescue dog at a friend's, had an issue with people with long hair.

a st bernard: belonged to next door neighbor at grandparent's lake cottage. didn't like kids. ended up getting put down after biting enough of us.

a husky/wolf mix: this one was ours. As he matured, he wanted to be alpha dog. I ended up spending part of an evening up on an elevated platform bed waiting for my partner to come home, open the door and let the dog out. Raising his lip and snarling at me when I tried to leave the room was enough to send up out of reach. He ended up getting put down also. Turns out some wolf hybrid mixes have this problem. We were heartbroken but he was out of control and a menace. He went after our chickens and was disciplined by my partner, biting him several times. My partner finally agreed he had to go when he brought home a fawn's leg. Left that guy since we had different thoughts on many things.

Thus my attitude toward our dearly departed dog. Big dog. Could be dangerous. Must learn I am alpha bitch. It is very odd not having him around, miss the fuzz ball.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

111. OK. I thought maybe you were a rawhide thief.

:)

[LisaL]

92. What facts?

Do tell.

[uppityperson]

93. that a 125 lb dog isn't a pit bull.

[Adsos Letter]

16. I didn't, but I don't pay much attention to local news outside the internet and KGO.

I'll be listening to KGO am on Monday; if this report is accurate they'll surely be on it, since a couple of their prime-time hosts spent time on it.

[LisaL]

91. Because there are no facts presented to support the idea

that the woman actually died by falling of ladder, except some unnamed neighbors supposedly said so.

[ClarkUSA]

14. Thanks for correcting the false breed-specific deduction the MSM & many people expressed earlier.

Darla's own father showed the kind of wisdom I rarely see in these circumstances.

Poor dog. Perhaps his spirit is now with his beloved deceased mistress.

I hope someone adopts that female who's sitting in the shelter now, through no fault of her own.

[GSLevel9]

21. note to all the pit bull bashers from the original thread.

Kiss Gunner's ASS.

[Adsos Letter]

29. On the other hand, the victim's husband seems to support the attack theory

Greg Napora said he does not know why Gunner, who the couple had raised from a puppy, attacked his wife.

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_18671143?source=most_emailed

[uppityperson]

31. "Greg Napora said Gunner didn't charge them, as was reported by some media outlets."

And the original article said "apparently" which many seem to have taken for "did".

Why would media report Gunner charged them?

[Adsos Letter]

36. I don't know. I read the quote you cited from the article, but didn't post it.

I think there are enough questions, at this point, that the cops are going to wait until the autopsy report to issue a definitive statement:

Pacifica police Capt. Dave Bertini said investigators have some theories about what happened but are waiting for exam results, which they hope to have back in a few weeks. Police said, however, they have no reason to believe foul play was involved.

"But you never know, so that is why we're waiting for the reports to make sure we didn't miss anything," Bertini said.

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_18671143?source=most_emailed

The Mercury News is a pretty good source.

[uppityperson]

43. Here's link to DU OP on it. Looks like sfgate has changed the article

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1722111&mesg_id=1722111

It will be interesting to see what they find, see what they publish and the outcome. Poor woman.

[demosincebirth]

32. It seems to me that anyone with any normal powers of observatiion would

instandly know whether the dog mauled her or not. Don't you think?

[housewolf]

34. "Too bad he is dead now." and the husband has lost both his wife and has dog

And once again the police, who the community hires to protect and support it's citizens, has instead betrayed a citizen by irrationally reacting and resorting to the use of a gun to kill rather than investigate.

What a tragedy!

[XemaSab]

38. This "article" is totally unsubstantiated speculation

n/t

[itsrobert]

40. Sources quoted

According to residents of the Napora neighborhood, the dog did not maul Darla Napora, “just found out that the woman fell off a ladder and hit her head...husband came home found the dog standing over her...he put the dog out side....it got loose and cops shot the dog...thinking that it had mauled the lady. The dog had blood on it's body because he was trying to nudge her to make her move....”

Continue reading on Examiner.com Pacifica dog mauling…what really happened? - National American Pit Bull | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/american-pit-bull-in-national/pacifica-dog-mauling-what-really-happened-1#ixzz1V1v8NNnV

[XemaSab]

41. This sentence is illiterate

yet we're supposed to believe what it says?

Sure, right.

[uppityperson]

44. HuffPost link....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/LeftLeanWing/pregnant-pacifica-woman-k_n_925043_102379744.html

[itsrobert]

46. You had no trouble believing the original story

Why change now?

[XemaSab]

47. Because it's from a blog post

written by someone with only a casual understanding of the English language?

[uppityperson]

53. What about HuffPost?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/LeftLeanWing/pregnant-pacifica-woman-k_n_925043_102379744.html
links to this article and comment by her father:
http://pacifica.patch.com/articles/pregnant-pacifica-woman-killed-by-pet-pit-bull
Doug Robinson
8:15pm on Thursday, August 11, 2011
Lets wait for the autopsy I talked to the police and will wait for the professionals to make a decision I have been a police officer and a detective for several years. This is my daughter and I will wait for the evidence. I love you Darla. I will always miss you. You will always be my baby. Love You.

[XemaSab]

48. Report--Obama quietly appoints Muslim Brotherhood to key posts

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Continue reading on Examiner.com Report--Obama quietly appoints Muslim Brotherhood to key posts (updates) - National Conservative | Examiner.com

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/report-obama-quietly-appoints-muslim-brotherhood-to-key-posts#ixzz1V1yFDF5M

[XemaSab]

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Pennsylvania Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) State Director John Ventre was a guest on Visions Radio April 16, 2011, to counter statements made by Joedy Cooks on a recent show.

Cooks - identified as a Bigfoot researcher - made some rather wild statements - seemingly as fact - that MUFON intimidated witnesses, destroyed evidence, and was controlled by the CIA.



Continue reading on Examiner.com MUFON and CIA? Pennsylvania Director sets record straight - National ufo | Examiner.com
http://www.examiner.com/ufo-in-national/mufon-and-cia-pennsylvania-director-sets-record-straight#ixzz1V1yaGLTN

[XemaSab]

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[XemaSab]

51. Have I made my point?

:shrug:

[itsrobert]

54. So please tell us what evidence you have that the dog killed her?

Other than a sensational headline?

[uppityperson]

55. What about HuffPost? You continue to ignore that and Pacifica Patch. You've made your point

Too bad you won't look at other sources.

[XemaSab]

57. I looked at both of your other links

Her dad (who by his own admission hadn't spoken to her in two years) said we should wait for the autopsy.

I agree. We should wait for the autopsy. Meanwhile, there is no evidence from a reputable source that she fell off a ladder.

[uppityperson]

58. There also is no evidence a dog killed her. We should wait for the autopsy before assuming either.

MSM exists to sell its product and will sexify it to do so.

[XemaSab]

60. Right, because people are never bitten by dogs

and if the MSM says that someone was bitten by a dog, they're clearly making shit up to sell papers.

[uppityperson]

61. Poor logic. The dog didn't charge them, like originally reported, says the dead woman's husband

Yes, they make up shit to sell papers. I thought that was your complaint about the source in my OP. And now you say they don't? odd.

[XemaSab]

65. The husband also said that she was killed by the dog

So is the husband lying?

[uppityperson]

67. link?

[XemaSab]

69. Let's go with the San Jose Mercury News, which is a reputable paper

http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county/ci_18671143

[uppityperson]

70. You mean this quote?

"They are the most loving animals I have ever had in my life. Whatever happened right now was not the breed's fault," said Napora, who found his wife dead when he returned to the couple's Pacifica home from his construction job with plans to take her to lunch Thursday. "It was just a freak accident."


Or this one?:
Pacifica police Capt. Dave Bertini said investigators have some theories about what happened but are waiting for exam results, which they hope to have back in a few weeks. Police said, however, they have no reason to believe foul play was involved.
"But you never know, so that is why we're waiting for the reports to make sure we didn't miss anything," Bertini said.

[XemaSab]

72. More like:

"Greg Napora said he does not know why Gunner, who the couple had raised from a puppy, attacked his wife."

[uppityperson]

75. You know what, snarking back and forth is fun but you won't convince me of the evilness of all (pick

a breed of dog). You seem to distrust some media reporting, but like others so long as it falls along side what you already believe. Perhaps I do also. But I also distrust all reporting, knowing how they do like to report things that are untrue and then later issue a small retraction bottom of page 2.

You disliked my OP source, so I gave you more. And still you are unhappy. Oh well. Hope you have a good day.

I'll be watching ot see if they report what the autopsy said. And caution others to not over react to reports like this since the info is often wrong and sexified to see papers or ad time.

[XemaSab]

79. I'm not trying to convince you of the evilness of any breed

The family owned at least one pit bull, and were involved in pit bull rescue. The dog that killed the woman was 125 lbs, so it was either a mix or it wasn't a pit bull at all. I am reserving judgement on the "pit bull" part of the story until the facts come out.

Either way, the woman was almost certainly mauled to death by a dog (of whatever breed), and the woman who says she went and talked to all the neighbors who told her that the victim fell off a ladder is a pit bull advocate from TEXAS so either she hopped on a plane really fast or she is pulling shit out of her ass.

I vote for the latter.

It's interesting to me how all the pit bull advocates on the DU are suddenly trying to deny that this woman was killed by a dog at all, when the obvious route of attack on this story is to challenge the breed ID based on the fact that there aren't any 125 lb pit bulls.

[guitar man]

86. Whoa, stop the presses!

I've been busy the last couple days and haven't been able to keep up with the latest. The dog that killed the woman was 125lb? If that's the case, pit bull my ass, they don't get anywhere near that big, no way, no how. Some retractions and corrections need to be made immediately if the dog is indeed that big.

[uppityperson]

87. 125 lb is not a pit bull. I posted this when I found it, she could have been killed

by a dog, or by falling off a ladder. And no, we aren't "pit bull advocates" any more than we are "pro-abortion". Simply trying to fight prejudices where we see them.

[XemaSab]

95. Since when is there something wrong with being an advocate?

I've got three dogs, and I'm an advocate for them. People should be advocates for their dogs, but they should also be realistic about what their dogs are really capable of.

As part of being realistic about my dogs, I'll say this: if a man broke into the house, my dogs would kill him. He wouldn't stand a chance.

(Oh, and part of my being realistic involved getting my dogs fixed.)

[uppityperson]

96. when that term is used derogitorially. I thought you were, my apologies

Be an advocate, but recognize that any dog can bite. I don't believe "all of any breed are wonderful" any more than "all of any breed are awful". However, saying others should not be prejudiced has lead to calls of "whatever advocate".

[uppityperson]

98. where did you find the 125 # weight? I hadn't seen any size. Thank you.

[guitar man]

102. Here

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/12/BAR51KMV1V.DTL

don't know what it is but it's not a pit

[dana_b]

63. what a tragic situation for all

poor lady, poor husband and a dog that didn't deserve to be killed. :(

[flvegan]

66. I propose immediate climbing apparatus specific legislation.

A simple Google search shows 1,083 deaths related to ladder falls. This is why civilized countries ban them.

[uppityperson]

68. Do you want a general ban or a specific breed of ladder banned?

There are short ones, step stools, tall ones, expanding ladders, tripods, fold out ones, metal, wood, mixture, etc etc etc.

Breed specific of just general ban like the other Civilized Countries (tm)?

[flvegan]

71. Outright ban on any pure ladder or ladder mix.

Step stools are ladder pups and could grow to be a ladder and therefore should be banned. The expanding ladder was bred for eons to cause falls. I don't care how they were made, they are inherently evil and owned by terrible people with tiny dicks who need macho climbing apparatus to appear tough. Some of them can be seen wearing tool belts, and we know what that means. And how many times have you seen a ladder strapped to a pickup? As we all know, anyone with a pickup truck is nothing but a redneck hillbilly...just the type to feel the need to own a ladder. Pathetic.

[uppityperson]

74. If people were meant to be that high, we'd have the ability to climb.

Going from a purely religious viewpoint, if people were meant to reach things up that high, they would be lower.

Anyone with a ladder is simply compensating for a small something.

[flvegan]

78. And they're never really safe.

I mean sure, a responsible ladder owner could have his ladder in his fenced backyard, secured by a locked gate. What's to stop some kid from going over the fence, finding the ladder, climbing it and then falling? Absolutely nothing. And folks won't blame the kid that broke into the yard, oh no. They'll blame the ladder, as rightfully so.

I say ban them outright.

[LeftyMom]

80. Don't you have a bunch of ladders?

Ladder-loving ladder owner! You don't care about anybody's safety as long as you get to look really tall. If I was your neighbor I'd move.

[flvegan]

84. I rehab abused ladders.

It's not easy, but it's fulfilling.

[uppityperson]

88. I hope you make sure they are securely contained esp around children and pregnant womoen

After all, you know what they say...

[petronius]

81. I think in your knee-jerk rush to judgment you have completely missed the point

it was the floor that killed her, not the ladder. Frankly, I think this Lovejoy-ish squeaking about the innocent ladder while ignoring the real culprit is everything - absolutely everything - that is wrong with America today. When we wake up with President Bachmann, it will be entirely your fault...

[LeftyMom]

82. It's the godless theory of gravitation that's really behind this.

If only we gave equal time to intelligent falling in schools...

[flvegan]

85. Leave the law of gravity to the attorneys, okay?

[LeftyMom]

97. Somebody in the lounge needs help buying a wagon.

Consider yourself batsignaled. If that's a verb? I'm not sure. Is now.

[Faryn Balyncd]

73. How many seconds should a policeman wait before shooting a dog that he heard had killed

....someone?


just wondering.

[uppityperson]

76. How many seconds should a policeman wait to find out if a dog that is restrained and no current

threat actually killed someone? Just wondering.

[xchrom]

77. If a dog bit & killed some one - wouldn't there be obvious bite trauma to the body

That police could comment on?

I wouldn't think a bite or bites would look like a fall or injuries from a fall.

Both have happened to me - one did not look like the other.

[TorchTheWitch]

114. dog bites look like dog bites

and cannot be confused with head trauma from a fall. This is why there shouldn't be any speculation about what killed her until after an autopsy. The woman's own father (retired police officer) apparently doesn't believe the dog killed her and is waiting on the autopsy. The investigating police are also unsure of how she died and are also saying that they'll wait till the autopsy findings. They have also said they don't - at this point - suspect "foul play" but are waiting on the autopsy to better determine that. "Foul play" means a human suspect who killed her - not a dog mauling or an accident. If the police are unwilling to say it was a dog mauling incident, there is something significant about her injuries that seem to be inconsistent with a dog mauling. The suspicion of the police that it was a dog mauling and why they shot the dog was based on solely the word of the husband and that apparently the dog was moving toward them and apparently the dog had some blood on it somewhere.

As is normal since this is an open investigation the police are saying very little. But what they HAVE said combined with what the woman's own parents have said makes me suspicious that this was not a dog mauling incident. I'm even a bit suspicious of the husband.

[LisaL]

89. This appears to be nothing more but pure speculation.

There are no facts presented in the article that the woman in fact died by falling off ladder, except some neighbors supposedly said so.

[guitar man]

100. Lots of speculation surrounding this

Including the breed of dog. They're now reporting the dog's weight at 125lb. If that's true, it's not a pit.

[Shagbark Hickory]

90. Sorry, not the ladder either. Keep guessing.

[Brickbat]

99. Heh. When it comes down to it, I agree.

[Withywindle]

101. Sounds a bit like the story of Gelert

http://www.irishwolfhounds.org/gelert.htm


"Llewellyn, prince of Wales, is said to have loved the chase above all else but always took with him his Irish wolf- dog, Gelert. The prince had many hounds, but Gelert was his favourite and was always there for the morning hunt. However, one day Gelert did not turn up and eventually Llewellyn went off with his followers and the hounds but could not enjoy his day and in the end hurried back home to find out what had happened to Gelert. He was met by Gelert, giving his usual greeting, but Llewellyn was horrified to find that Gelert was covered in blood. Hurrying into the castle, he went to see his infant son but found the cradle overturned and empty, with no sign of the child, but with blood everywhere.

Concluding that Gelert must have killed and eaten the baby, Llewellyn drew his sword and plunged it into the hound. The stricken Gelert gave a long-drawn out howl as he died and this cry was followed by a child's wail. Llewellyn searched for the source of this sound and found his child under a pile of bedding from the cradle, completely unharmed, and close by was the body of a gaunt wolf, which had obviously been slain by Gelert after a bloody battle.

Horrified at what he had done, and stricken by remorse, Llewellyn had the body of Gelert buried with due pomp and the place was afterwards known as Bedd Gelert (the grave of Gelert), as was the town that grew up near to it."


Jumping to conclusions leads to (further) tragedy.

[guitar man]

103. Don't know if it was the dog or the ladder

Or something else,but I know one thing for sure, if they are reporting the dog's weight correctly at 125lb, it wasn't a pit.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/08/12/BAR51KMV1V.DTL

[XemaSab]

105. I've spent half the day looking for anything else to back this up

and I've come up with squat.

[disillusioned73]

109. I remember that other thread...

I didn't comment because of all the pitbull hating, sad to see it on DU.

I have no time for irrational/uninformed folks.

[Marrah_G]

113. However she died, a woman is dead, her fetus is dead and a man is left mourning

The whole thing is sad.

[SidDithers]

115. Nope...

http://www.mercurynews.com/census/ci_18685702?nclick_check=1

Bite experts conclude pit bull 'Gunner' sole attacker of Pacifica woman

Based on an evaluation by dog bite experts and a necropsy, Pacifica police on Monday concluded only one pit bull was involved in fatal mauling of Darla Napora.

The finding clears a second pit bull owned by Napora and her husband, Greg, in the Thursday attack that killed the 32-year-old pregnant woman.

Police Capt. Dave Bertini, who was the third on scene that day and gave CPR to Darla Napora, said the department has ruled out every other possible theory, other than that the 2-year-old unneutered pit bull terrier named Gunner killed his owner.

But the finding does not explain why Gunner would suddenly turn on a woman who had cared for him since he was a puppy.

Sid

[Gormy Cuss]

116. Cindy Marabito, the writer of the examiner.com piece, has some explaining to do.

Today she posted another attempt at blaming the ladder and casting doubt on the dogs' involvement in any way that she could. Shameless.

http://www.examiner.com/american-pit-bull-in-national/answered-questions-what-really-happened-last-friday-pacifica

Well, Marabito -- the autopsy is in. How long until you admit that the ladder theory was pure crap?

[uppityperson]

117. No, the autopsy isn't in. It will be a couple weeks. The report was by "bite experts".

The autopsy and necropsy on the dog will take a couple weeks to be done.

The American Pit Bull Examiner called the San Mateo Coroner’s office today to ask when the autopsy report will be completed. Robert Foucraulp, San Mateo County Coroner, expects the findings will be available in 2 to 3 weeks. “Another week,” he estimates, “and this is an arbitrary number” “dependent upon how busy the toxicology lab” is.

I find it odd how few people picked up on this thing I posted was about MSM coverage and about jumping to conclusions. Oh well, can't win them all.

[Gormy Cuss]

118. Sorry. The autopsy isn't in. The coroner's intial investigation is, as is the necropsy on the dog.

Marabito however is again trying to defend the ladder theory in spite of the information provided to the local media by the San Mateo county coroner's office and the vet from the Humane Society who conducted the exam of the dogs.

A full autopsy report almost always takes a week or more but in a case where a body has numerous bite marks and extreme loss of blood it's unlikely that the final autopsy will override the initial conclusion of the coroner based on a detailed inspection of the body. Marabito is grasping at straws in an attempt to make this about anything but the dogs. In the meantime, her blather gets linked here and elsewhere as some sign that the MSM is biased against pit bulls.

I may have missed it -- where, before your most recent post, did you attempt to redirect the discussion to one about MSM coverage rather than the Pacifica case specifically?

[uppityperson]

122. OP for starters. Not going to read through all posts I've made over the last few days.

If you want to search, have fun. I've posted many times about msm coverage, about how they sensationalize, sex up, news to sell their product and get more money for ads. Have you ever seen Special Bulletin? It's a made for tv movie back in the 80's that covers just this thing. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086350/

And yes, I've posted this also several times.

[Liberal_in_LA]

119. O M G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FreeJoe]

120. You anti-pitbull people make me sick

The poor lady fell off of a ladder. She landed on her head and got a subdural hematoma. The pit bull realized that her life was in danger and tried to help her by performing emergency surgery. As brilliant and amazing as a pit bull is, they are still just dogs and can't wield scalpels. Chewing through his owner's skull was the only chance the dog had to save her. When the police came, the dog ran up to them to try to get them to help (like Lassie would run up to Timmy) but the stupid cops shot him like the oppressors that they are. It was a double tragedy before you anti-pit bull people came in to spam your propaganda and hate to make it worse. I'd hate to see what your reaction would be if the dog turned out to be gay.

[Strelnikov_]

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