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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:14 PM Original message |
Key elements of debt deal leaked ~ ABC News. |
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Skidmore
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. If 2 is indeed there, perhaps it will help bring the cost of |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Wouldn't that be |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. IMHO if 2 is there it will mean |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That depends upon how cuts are |
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helderheid
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. God I hope not. |
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Peregrine Took
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Absolutely. That was the first thing that came to me. Many docs don't |
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Ghost in the Machine
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
137. I guess it depends on where you live... most people around here are on either Tenn-Care or Medicare |
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emulatorloo
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. Medicare was cut in 92 with provider side cuts and providers did not "drop" medicare. |
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zalinda
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #26 |
79. The better providers did drop it for new patients. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. Is there a list? |
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customerserviceguy
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #79 |
107. Plus, the proportion of older folks was lower 20 years ago |
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DURHAM D
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. It will also mean that medicare supplemental premiums will go up. |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. However it goes down |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. Absolutely. |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. When all your given is negitives. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. When all you see are |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. I would like to see the facts first. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. That's a new and exciting |
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phleshdef
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. Thats logically no different than an argument for pro-"trickle down" economics. |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. I have lost 3 doctors this year because of dropping Medicare. |
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phleshdef
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. I have countless family members on Medicare that have never lost any doctors ever due to dropping. |
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woo me with science
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. There are so many you can't even count them, but you know they ALL kept their doctors! |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
102. Have at it. |
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phleshdef
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Putting major fail in all caps doesn't make you right. It just means you aren't to be taken serious. |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. I have yet to see you show anything to the contrary. |
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phleshdef
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. There nothing for me to show. You made a trickle down argument. |
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JoeyT
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Mon Aug-01-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #111 |
170. No, you dragged out a strawman and abused it so badly we should probably be calling 9/11 about now. |
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treestar
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
106. You're right. It's the same logic. |
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pipi_k
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Mon Aug-01-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #86 |
171. Just wanted to add... |
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customerserviceguy
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
103. Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner |
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Poll_Blind
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Horse with no Name: "Don't sugar coat this shit. Medicare cuts to providers WILL trickle down" |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Of course. Just after the COLA adjustments to SS take |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. What are COLA adjustments? |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. There was much talk about adjustments |
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William769
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Thanks for the memories. |
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durablend
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Oh yes |
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derby378
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
4. We're looking as burned as Jennifer Schilling's HQ in Wisconsin |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. What? The tea party wanted a potential revenue increase? |
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derby378
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. The secret word, boys and girls, is POTENTIAL |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Did you see the ESP disclaimer |
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derby378
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
66. You speak of "potential," but don't want any "ESP?" |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. I speak to the information in the article. |
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derby378
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Fair enough |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. It doesn't sit will with Republicans |
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helderheid
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
5. Thanks for posting this, mzmolly |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. My |
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boston bean
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. why no automatic revenue increases, where the wealthy and corporations are targeted? nt |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. There are automatic increases, depending. |
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enlightenment
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
51. Really? |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Feel free to parse words on the "automatic" |
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enlightenment
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #57 |
115. mzmolly, I think you need to look up the definition of |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. The Bush tax cuts are set to expire |
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fishwax
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
122. where are the automatic increases? |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. If nothing else, the Bush tax cuts are |
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fishwax
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. well, that's true, but not really related to the issue of automatic spending cuts per the deal |
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mvd
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. We'll have to see how much revenue is included. I'm.. |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
15. The concept that we are in a crisis that requires us to try and balance the budget |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. We have a jobs crisis that can't be dealt with by spending more, |
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mvd
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I think we create more jobs by spending more |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Exactly. And who holds the purse strings |
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mvd
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Unfortunately, Congress. I would have framed the debate.. |
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Skidmore
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. We have a jobs crisis because the banks and businesses have |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:28 PM Original message |
I agree. So the government |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. I see they have you ideologically in some respects. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Not necessarilly. Please share your plan for negotiating spending |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. My post secondary expertise is in economics, not these political positions. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Gotcha. |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. No problem. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. I presume economic advisors, will disagree |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Fair enough but negotiations never seem to yield progressive solutions. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Yes they do. There are simply a group of "progressives" who find |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I guess it depends on what one calls progressive. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Some consider the auto industry bail out and the stimulus |
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mmonk
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #121 |
144. They were but much of the stimulus went to cover budget cuts |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
18. But cuts to Medicare providers do affect beneficiaries, won't they? |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. 1. cuts to providers are not necessarilly |
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Donnachaidh
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
96. YES. Doctors will drop out of the program or refuse to take on new patients |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
128. We have no idea how provider cuts will be factored |
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Donnachaidh
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #128 |
139. doctors hear the word *cut* and they drop patients |
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Donnachaidh
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #128 |
142. :ahem: |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. Did you bother to read the article? |
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Paula Sims
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. One concern will be doctors dropping Medicare patients. . . |
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cantbeserious
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. "automatic across-the-board cuts go into effect" -- and *Medicare |
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Parker CA
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
22. This is an article from last night. Things have changed according to reports today, so this outline |
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mvd
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. True. Will wait until the final deal to fully judge |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. What reports list specifics of a deal, today? |
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Parker CA
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Read Krugman, Dave Weigel and David Corn on Twitter and watch MSNBC. The ABC |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:33 PM Original message |
The ABC report was not specifically denied |
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Motown_Johnny
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. But Da Caving... And Da Fail... and POTUS is an (R) !!!!!!! |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. You forgot the other "Repeat ad Nauseam" Talking Points: "Utter weakness...utter weakness..." |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #42 |
67. Absolutely |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
58. You should remove the sarcasm tag...... |
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Motown_Johnny
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
91. He is the most liberal person who could be elected |
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
109. What utter nonsense. nt |
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Motown_Johnny
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Sun Jul-31-11 08:26 PM Response to Reply #109 |
166. who could have been elected who is more liberal? |
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JBoy
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
33. The trigger needs to include some automatic tax increases if they don't agree on a plan |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. Not at all |
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JBoy
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. The baggers will be able to cling to their "no tax increases" position |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
85. I'm not worried about what they'll be able to claim |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. BINGO! There's nothing in there to get the knuckle draggers not to kill the commission ideas. n/t |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #52 |
89. Except large cuts to defense and to programs in their districts |
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NoodleyAppendage
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. When have the Repukes shown recently that they really care about defense cuts? |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
124. The GOP has only |
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DURHAM D
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
38. This is BS. Its from last night. But I think you know that. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Of course. Anything reasonable is "bull" and any talk about being willing |
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mvd
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I hope mzmolly's thread has the right specifics |
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EFerrari
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Yep. n/t |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
93. Follow up question. How long are we allowed to speculate on a chained COLA to SS? |
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adhd_what_huh
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
40. We get to say it is a balanced approach that includes revenues |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
53. It does include revenues by making the committee bipartisan and |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. Indeed. |
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NoodleyAppendage
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
50. SUCKS. Where's the motivation for Repukes to go with the commission? |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. Tax increases and cuts to the military? |
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NoodleyAppendage
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #68 |
97. Tax increases will be DISCUSSED by the commission, but if the Congress doesn't go along... |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. So thankful you're here to translate the bad news |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Then why aren't you crying over at Free Republic? |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
55. thanks for the update, thus far mz. nt |
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lumberjack_jeff
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
56. Because the deal alternative is "no deal" which means executive action |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Time will tell. |
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tomp
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
60. cutting the provider end is bad, too.... |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
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ZombieHorde
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
83. If providers are getting less money, they will be less likely to accept Medicare patients. |
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Coyote_Bandit
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
84. It is a high stakes game of chicken |
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former9thward
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Sun Jul-31-11 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
88. You are really in a dream world if you think cuts to Medicare providers |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. How about regulating drug prices? |
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Donnachaidh
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
94. putting the cuts on the provider end WILL adversely effect Beneficiaries |
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Change Happens
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
98. I SUPPORT THIS PLAN, as presented! |
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Whisp
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
99. woah... |
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durablend
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
119. Still dreaming I see... |
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treestar
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
105. Thanks for the actual information |
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MadHound
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Sun Jul-31-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
110. Trading the cow for a handful of magic beans, |
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customerserviceguy
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
112. It seems like this is a recipe |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #112 |
127. I don't have a problem with cutting medicare on the provider |
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customerserviceguy
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Sun Jul-31-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #127 |
167. I do have a problem with that |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. That depends |
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elleng
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
114. Its not, its negotiating and compromising, |
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stranger81
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Sun Jul-31-11 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
117. The biggest reason - creation of a Super Congress whose recommendations MUST |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
120. Sorry on #2, beneficiaries are impacted. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. A good Doctor |
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former9thward
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #125 |
132. All sorts of good doctors refuse medicare right now. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Can you name one? |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. I can name a list in my community that refuse to take |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #138 |
152. I've love to keep a list |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #152 |
154. Many of these doctors didn't need student loans |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #154 |
155. That needs to |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. I agree. The solution to this is in my signature. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #161 |
162. The Netherlands and Switzerland have a combined |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #162 |
163. We have to change the face of Congress, but mostly |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. The states can set up a public |
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former9thward
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Sun Jul-31-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #133 |
165. I don't shame them. I work for money too. Most people do. |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. It's one thing to work for a living, it's another to |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #120 |
131. You have an increasingly complex set of scenarios for |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #131 |
140. Do you get Medicare? |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #140 |
145. So you're the AMA lobby, then? |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. No, I'm the old people lobby. |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:42 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Tort reform! |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:48 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Right now, if he didn't have other income, it would |
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Actually, I'm a Marxist |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #153 |
157. Thank |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. Okay tort reform not doable in the current environment. |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. ... |
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scheming daemons
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
126. AS PRESENTED IN THIS OP... this is a good deal.... but.... |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. I'm with you. |
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Morizovich
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
135. Deal? |
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kickysnana
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Sun Jul-31-11 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
136. My Medicare provider gets much less han a vet gets for an appontment. |
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Cleita
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #136 |
141. I guess senior citizens are less important than dogs. n/t |
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
143. Cutting to providers is the same as cutting patients because no one will accept it anymore. Hello! |
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mzmolly
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #143 |
151. We would need the details of any future |
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Capitalocracy
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Sun Jul-31-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
148. There are good cuts and bad cuts to defense. |
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
156. Double-speak for undemocratic "Super Congress." This is an absolute travesty. |
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Sun Jul-31-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. LOL |
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