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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:04 AM Original message |
Theory: Liberals use deductive thinking, Conservatives rely on inductive reasoning. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
1. Deductive Reasoning/Logic |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. All this sounds like very important tools to teach kids at an early age. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I had my first introduction to logic in 5th grade---in Detroit Public Schools |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Why aren't our billionaires, like Soros, working on something like this? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. It doesn't take money to teach logic |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. I've been saying this for years. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. No argument here. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. Oh yeah |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #6 |
28. Someone did |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. Masquerading as truth |
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canoeist52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 08:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
119. Not just right wingers, but sadly also to be found here on DU |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. However, the conservative mind follows the lead of their "superiors"... |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
75. This is what I've observed |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:24 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. I have been wrestling with that question as well... |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's been my observation that ideology and reasoning tend to be incompatible |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Right. So maybe we should call them out on this and tell them they're |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. The problem with that is that they're proud of it. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #22 |
47. They do have a way of building their own firewalls. |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
81. "The greater the ignorance, |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
40. +1,000 |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
76. Becoming an ideologue, sure. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
94. +1 |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
4. Reaching a deduction IS Inductive Reasoning. The difference between Cons & Libs |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Would it be more clear to call it Deductive Research vs. Inductive Research? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. No, You Are Just Digging Your Topic a Deeper Hole |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
97. It's not that we don't understand the points you're trying to make |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. To claim that Ideologues "Reason" by "Inductive Methods" |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. I'll change "reasoning" for "research method." |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. Inductive Reasoning: Definition |
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MedicalAdmin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
90. I agree. Inductive reasoning is a valid way of reaching conclusions. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. "I'm already against the next war" does not equal deductive thinking. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There will be exceptions. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Politicians Lie |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
33. Welcome to DU! |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Welcome! |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
14. Have you read Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
23. Excellent. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Very well put. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
31. This Fallacy Is Called "Affirming the Consequent" |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
20. We all use inductive reasoning. We're all influenced by our ideologies and prejudices. |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
37. Shh. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. No. I agree that some on the left might come across ideological and sometimes, |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #48 |
70. Case in point. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #20 |
53. I'm curious as to why you would assume the political middle to be the realm of logical thinking, |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:28 AM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I didn't say anything about logical reasoning or logical fallacies. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #66 |
71. I think I may have misinterpreted your comment. |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
24. Ideological thinking is the exact reverse of inductive reasoning |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Couldn't be Better Said |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #24 |
35. Bingo |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
46. +1 |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
49. I suggested upthread, that maybe I should have applied it more as |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #24 |
50. You mean, like, tides go in and tides go out, nobody knows why? |
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Azathoth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. lol, That can't even be called ideological thinking. It's just Faux-style stupidity |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
29. One aspect missing in your OP: ambiguity |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Great post. nt |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
51. I know in my own most, bleak, anxious moment, I was ready to embrace |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
77. Bingo! |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
30. Well explained, Holmes, very succinct. I'm stealing this for future use |
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Zoeisright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
32. I wouldn't use the word "reasoning" with repukes. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
52. It's true. The next time they wave a study in front of us supporting their |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
34. Is what you describe actually inductive reasoning? |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
54. I've never liked the rain analogy. |
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hifiguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
36. Verdict first, |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Finding strength in the strangest places. |
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roakes10190 (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
38. logic |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
58. This explains it best: |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
39. Interesting thoughts... However: |
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Armstead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. That was my reaction too.....I know that I'm guilty of that myself |
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RKP5637 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
43. In short, conservatives follow an ingrained script and look for supporting |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Yes. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
44. This is so true. I have maintained this for a long time. I think |
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CrossChris (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
45. There's a great recent article in Mother Jones about "motivated reasoning" employed by conservatives |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
62. I'll read that one later this pm. thanks. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
59. today's "conservatives" don't use logic. they use propaganda. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I'm afraid that conservative voters have allowed themselves to be |
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callmecoolio (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:31 AM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Obama over Hillary? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
89. du is quite fond of rehashing the primaries, but there are many reasons to support both sides |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
60. Any reasonable person, Dems hopefully included, uses both. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Inductive reasoning begins with specific facts. |
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callmecoolio (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
65. What about liberals who believe in God? |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
68. Progressives use their frontal lobes, Conservatives use their reptile brain. n/t |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. LOL! |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
69. Reasoning is a happy illusion we use |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
74. Actually, your premise is exactly false regarding deductive Liberals. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. They both begin by making a premise. With Deductive reasoning, it's |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Don't mean to nit-pick ... |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I don't see it that way. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Then, unfortunately, you are looking at it incorrectly. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Again, we disagree. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Not a question of agree or disagree |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Here. This will show more precisely what I'm talking about. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. OK ... the new link still shows that you have it backwards |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. It's a fair criticism. I would agree to clean up my wording. Let's try this: |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. I posted my first response before reading this mini thread... |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. NO |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I value both deduction and inductive research in science. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Again NO |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. "Testing" sir. Yes, in quotes. "Testing." |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Giving up now because you are probably hopeless |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. It's a very simple matter. You're very anal retentive about this entire thread. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:01 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. And |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I agree that my wording is confusing. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. NO |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Now you're putting words in my mouth. |
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econoclast (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #106 |
111. I think not - You initially defined Induction as follows |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:35 PM Response to Reply #111 |
114. Sir, I beg to differ with your explanation. |
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themadstork (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
80. Not quite right |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. In true research, they're both necessary tools. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
85. Well said. |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. No. But read all the threads because it's very simplified. |
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bench scientist (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
95. input bias |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Welcome to DU |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
96. I think this premise is entirely too complicated |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #96 |
110. One most always make an attempt to find a rational reason for the other side's lunacy, |
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Gunny1 (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. I didn't say crazy, I said linear |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-06-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Though you comments have merit, |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
108. Bell Curve was more than that - it was an attempt to bring outward racism back into US policy |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. Can you believe how much of our time it took to debunk that piece of crap! |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. No one saw it on our side. It was brought up in the 90's... |
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