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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:16 PM
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I'm calling it: Hillary Clinton's new hair + Rendell's view on The View + polls = She's running 2012
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 09:04 PM by anAustralianobserver
I think it was on Morning Joe; Ed Rendell (2008 Hillary Clinton backer, you may remember) starting "The View (a show viewed mostly by women and political junkies) is unpresidential" meme. A Dem governor trying to trip up Obama in an election year - at the same time polls (some real, some probably fake) are saying Obama has lost crucial support with women.

She won't challenge Obama. Instead she will put the hard word on him for a switcheroo agreement next year. It's The Polls you see. Sticks and carrots.

If Obama agrees, the Dem party machine finally starts backing him wholeheartedly by the end of 2011 and on into 2012 - and his last year is kinda glorious. Senate filibusters become as formidable as soggy paper bags and progressive legislation enjoys some dramatic and necessary landmark victories; providing a cushy foundation for Clinton's run. The Republicans can't compete (but make a good showing when Palin and Huckabee run and hand their personality cults over to Pawlenty). Switcheroo Alakazoo.

Or not?
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:17 PM
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1. Since when is Rendell NOT an asshole?
And you base this premise on Hillary's hair?

LOL.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:18 PM
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3. What shall we think if Obama dyes his? What does that
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 08:19 PM by CBR
indicate about 2012?
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:24 PM
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8. He already does. It seems to get greyer and more elder-statesmanly at times. He's an exceptionally
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 08:24 PM by anAustralianobserver
good-looking man.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:25 PM
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9. So what if he stops dying it -- what does that say about his chances? nt
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:34 PM
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16. I like Hillary's new hair. I'm just saying it goes well with the experienced Sec. of State
new-maturity image that would be one of the factors she would need.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:56 PM
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44. Its for the wedding so she can wear it up.
gheez

As far as I am aware Pat Buchanan started the "View is not Presidential" stuff.

The remainder of your stuff is drivel.

Go kick a roo.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:00 PM
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51. Ok maybe it was Buchanan and Rendell was drawn into it. I'd like to see the segment.
drivel, kick a roo, harsh!
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:45 PM
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49. MmmMmmMmm...
Barack Hussein Obama!!:loveya:
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onpatrol98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:12 AM
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77. less perplexed
At least I'm less perplexed when people think President Obama is handsome. I was blown over by the idea of Bill Clinton as a sex symbol. I'm still baffled.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #77
90. Bill could be considered MILDLY attractive
in some strange way, but he is not a sex symbol, at least not to me.
And even his mild attractiveness is significantly diminished by his sexual (mis) behavior.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:07 PM
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105. I think Bill Clinton has always had a social intelligence and a broad knowledge and eloquence,
combined with a unique style of Southern charm and virility and a head that shines when it turns like a multifaceted ... hang on what was I talking about? hehe
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:26 AM
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74. Obama dyes his hair?
Are you having a laugh? Tell me you're having a laugh.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 04:41 PM
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87. I'm not sure; it was definitely more silver than I'd seen it before at some big speech maybe 2
months ago; maybe it was just longer.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:20 PM
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107. When black men cut their hair, it always looks less silver due to the natural curl pattern of black
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 10:21 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
hair. But when it grows out, it appears more silver because the silver reflects the light due to that same curl pattern.

So, to the pundits obsessed with whether or not Obama is stressing over the job, I respond to them that it is because he cuts his curly hair, thereby cutting out the silver pattern on the outer edge of the curl/kinky part of his hair, it naturally looks darker. But as it grows out, the silver grows with it, thus making it appear that he's grayer, which he did absent the hair cut.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:00 AM
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110. This is very informative. Poignant signature line btw.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #110
118. Why, thank you!! n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:18 PM
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2. Hillary supports this Administration
And you would all do well to remember that she is even more hawkish than Obama on Iran, Afghanistan and Iraq.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:04 PM
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33. Well said BSG! nt
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:07 PM
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46. Indeed.
The only way I could possibly see Hillary running is if Obama, against all odds, completely destroys himself for 2012, and like LBJ in 1968, declines to run for a second term. Then, and only then, could I see Hillary running.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #46
53. I hope Obama or someone more progressive than he is, is your pres 2013-2017
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:18 PM
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4. You still sound like your posting from Alice Springs
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:28 PM
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11. haha I still don't get this reference?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:42 PM
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19. I worked for SAFCOL and a colleague was from Alice Springs


He never made any sense when he was drinking. Blokes from NSW still made sense talking to a septic tank after downing some piss.



There is no way that SOS Clinton is running for President in 2012.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:51 PM
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22. I'm not drinking; but you got me: last time I started a provocative post I was;
and parts of it look a bit silly in hindsight. It's also a slight masochist streak.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:19 PM
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5. Bet she doesn't. She'd have the same problem she had in 08-
Obama. Oh, and the bloodthirsty rethugs aka vast r/w conspiracy.
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:23 PM
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7. You nailed it 1000%
Anyone who doesn't think her life wouldn't be a living hell if she was elected is just living in Fantasyland.
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artfan Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:28 PM
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12. and that problem would be
ovaries women are depicted as being weak and poor leaders if they have a spine then are not strong they are 'pushy' 'bitchy' 'power hungry' etc.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:30 PM
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14. Huh?
Bullshit, and the primaries are over. :eyes:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:30 PM
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96. Agree with Babylonsister
The primaries are over, she lost. She will never be president, most likely. She has said in interviews that she has no plans to run again. She ran a horrible campaign and has no one to blame for her loss except her. I for one would never support her.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:40 PM
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17. Yes this scenario depends on Obama's ultimate cooperation. I don't think they are either mortal
Edited on Tue Jul-27-10 09:08 PM by anAustralianobserver
enemies or great friends of each other.

The RW media supported her over Obama once they saw Obama was winning.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:47 PM
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21. I tend not to trust Hillary Clinton but I would enjoy seeing her go up against them again.
I think she'd be better at controlling the narrative and shaming the Republicans than Obama has been.

But, you know, the IWR.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 04:16 AM
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59. It would be a lot worse.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:08 AM
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113. how often do Dems who lose one primary win a next one? nt
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:21 PM
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6. IdioCrazy
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artfan Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:25 PM
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10. have these people never been to a wedding
it is common for the mother of the bride to get a new 'do' before the big event
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Obviously, the obvious is not so obvious for some people. n/t
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
24. In politics everything has 3 reasons :)
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:41 PM
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18. Mother of the groom, too
I've got an appointment to get my hair cut (same cut I've been getting for the past 20 years or so) and ... gasp ... some color (which I've only done once). My son is getting married in a few weeks. It's something we ladies have to do.

(Two weeks is the amount of time I figured it needed to settle in and lose that newly cut look. Wish me luck on the color.)
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:17 PM
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35. Exactly - Men do not understand
how women plan their hair appointments. I did the same thing when my son got married. Ten to 14 days to lose the just cut look. Did the facial a week before.

I am currently running for office. I had a long discussion w/ my hairdresser that all my appointments during the campaign were to be 4 weeks apart and no more than 1/4 inch was to be removed .
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #18
112. Good luck! My daughter just married in October, and I wish
I had used my digital camera to take a picture of myself in the dress I wore to her wedding....I would have traded it for something else. It looked terrible on camera, and now those family pictures will be around for forever...
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:29 PM
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13. Rendell (my Gov) was the first and possibly only Dem out there telling Al Gore
to "let it go" the day after the so-called election of 2000.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:43 PM
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20. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. I don't even have a blog!
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:53 PM
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23. New do equals a run for the presidency? Now I've heard it all.
Speaking of new do---I think it is horrible. So 1960's, like Jackie Kennedy. But I never voted for a hairdo---not even Edwards.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:55 PM
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25. Bookmarked for future ridicule
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #25
28. Perfect
:thumbsup:
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
32. awesome:) (see above post about masochist streak)
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golfguru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:55 PM
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26. You betcha Hillary will primary Obama
if unemployment in 2012 is still hovering near 10% which will
tank his poll numbers. But that is 2 years away and anything
can happen to the economy in 2 years.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 08:55 PM
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27. SOS Clinton is more likeable when she isn't running for anything. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:01 PM
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30. that is mighty silly
And Ed Rendell has been wrong about everything.

Clinton will run in 2016, but she will be too old.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:47 PM
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42. One problem with my dot-joining might be that Ed Rendell's comment will only advertise how well
Obama is likely to do on The View. So it seems like it was an obtuse or maybe just jealous think to say. I can't work it out, but maybe I don't understand all the connotations of the word 'presidential' in the US.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:01 PM
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31. Don't think so.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:06 PM
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34. I think President Obama's support among women is
quite strong and will remain quite strong.

He's just nominated two impressive and accomplished women to the U.S. Supreme Court for example.

I don't think that point has been lost on women voters, who supported him in very significant percentages in 2008.

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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:30 PM
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38. That's true about the Supreme picks. I feel he is starting to regain general support in many ways,
but I don't know if he can ever regain the connection he had with you - considering the public option failure (I'm curious about the new public option move; I haven't seen what that's about) and the too-long Afghanistan occupation.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:32 PM
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39. His connection with me is also very strong.
He can count on my enthusiastic support for his re-election.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:22 PM
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36. "He'd have to cooperate" - lolsnort - She'd have to get past Pres Obama (she's 0 for 1)
and my dead body first.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 04:52 AM
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61. She can do it. Barack Obama is much less impressive as an incumbent than he was as the outsider.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:01 PM
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99. She won't challenge him.. but I knew at the time that he was playing his cards well with no record.
He would have voted for IWR if he had been a US Senator at the time.

Even Biden and Kerry did!
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:14 AM
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114. I hope you are wrong that Obama would have voted for the IWR nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:02 AM
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119. I agree that there is a possibility that he would have
He was not a loner in the Senate and the vote was constructed to be difficult - with Bush saying it was not a vote for war (speech in Cleveland). Many of the Democrats started arguing in the summer of 2002 that Bush could not go to war in Iraq based on the authorization to fight terrorism and that it was important to go to the UN. Several Democrats saw the fact that Bush did agree to both bring it to Congress and to the UN as a victory. In addition, Bush agreed to many changes to his original.

Now, history shows that Bush had no intention of NOT going to war. It is also clear that Bush did not really care about what words were added or subtracted from the IWR - he was not negotiating in good faith.

I can actually see Obama in either group - with Kennedy et al saying that war was not justified at that time - so no authorization was warranted. Or, arguing that a President could argue from a position of strength if he had this resolution. (Remember that it is not all that far from the resolution that Clinton got that agreed that regime change would be acceptable - and which of course did not lead to war under Clinton.) The other thing to remember was that in 2002, the rest of the world was on the verge of ending the sanctions - that should never have been allowed to be in place for 12 years.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:28 PM
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37. Um...
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:32 PM
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40. Replace one DLC hack with another?
why bother?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:37 PM
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41. The DLC was relevant a few elections back. The Blue Dogs are the current boogiemen. nt
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 09:55 PM
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43. That's insane and Rendell was being Rendell - often kind of a jerk who'll say anything.
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:01 PM
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52. I don't think Ed Rendell likes President Obama
I think he, James Carville and Bill Clinton are closeted bigots who never got over the fact that Hillary lost to a black man.
Closeted bigots in the sense that they have hidden their racism from THEMSELVES!
They like black people on the surface as long as they are not defeated or upstaged by one (of us!)
Then look out, they will try to find a way to tweak you or remind you that you're out of your place.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #52
71. You are so right that I can't even add to what you've stated here! BRILLIANT!! n/t
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rury Donating Member (629 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:50 PM
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91. Why thank you!
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:06 PM
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45. WTF are you on?
Switcharoo? First of all, there's no indication that Clinton would be a stronger candidate than Obama. Primary voters already rejected her once when she started with every advantage in the race (more early money, establishment support, leading in polls, name recognition, more media coverage, and experience in a national campaign). She blew it because she wasn't the strongest candidate and there are plenty of people who will remember her despicable behavior during the last few months of the primary after she had clearly lost.

Second, why on earth would that lead to progressive legislation being passed? Because US Senators love Hillary so much more than Obama? lol

There are at least a half dozen other ways that this makes absolutely no sense but I'll stop with those two.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:56 PM
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50. 100% Arabica. If Obama says he won't run again, eg for family reasons (which would be partially
true - he wouldn't mention party pressure) and supports Hillary if she wins the nom; is it possible she could overcome her bad 2008 campaign? Most progressives tend not to trust her, but she holds some progressive values and is a good fighter (which progressives are hungry for after too much Obama bipartisanship).

I think she'd be effective on a lot of social issues and probably not-progressive-enough re: monopolies, poverty, interventionist war and occupations. Also a lot of progressive legislation is just common sense, necessary and you would think inevitable; and the time of the Tea Party people being conned into cohering against their own interests has hopefully peaked.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:13 AM
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72. what family reasons?
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #72
88. For example too much pressure on his family, he needs to spend more time with them; or he
wants to devote the next part of his life to other things. Obviously I don't know if he wants to serve for two terms. I know in the US especially, you get ridiculed by the other party for being a 'one-term president'; but if there was a relatively smooth transition within the party there wouldn't be a lot to ridicule (?)

(I'm looking at this through the lens of the Australian parliamentary system where you vote for the party, not the leader; and the party can change the leader at any time.)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 10:20 AM
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120. If Obama (and it won't happen) decides not to run, the election would be open to all
If Obama actually stepped down, it would be Joe Biden who would likely run. (Yes, I know he is old, but he was just 4 years younger in 2008 and he ran then.) Given the shorten time, it would be hard for anyone without name recognition to run.

Hillary does have the most name recognition. I suspect that the nastiness of 2008 would be forgotten - until the few point where there is something that could be spun as nastiness. The fact is that looking back to 1992, it was HRC who had a side that was pretty quick to move in that direction if she felt attacked. I seriously don't think that she could avoid it. Not only that, Bill Clinton looks far less healthy than he was in 2008.

It may well be only 2008 was likely for her. Obviously 2000 was out - and 2004 was not considered winnable by the Clintons - and she likely could not have won. (If they attacked a war hero for not being patriotic - imagine what they would have done to the Clintons) One sign they NEVER considered 2004 was Bill's book was always scheduled for early 2004. It slipped until late June 2004, making the topic du jour for many days in the run up to the 2004 convention - Monica Lewinsky.

Gore has name recognition, but was not interested in 2004 or 2008 - when he would have had a good shot. John Kerry would be unlikely to run against Biden, just as he didn't run against Gore in 2000 (which the MSM had suggested as possible in 1998.) His wife's health would also likely make this completely unlikely.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:08 PM
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47. I am here just for the comedy. nt
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:53 PM
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108. Want some? Scoot over and I'll share.
:popcorn:
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 10:42 PM
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48. I don't see it happening
Maybe VP, if Biden doesn't want it any more...But that's about it.

It would be interesting to see what's next for her though. SoS is considered one of the more prestigious cabinet positions. I'd be kind of surprised if she wanted to keep going another four years at that spot but I think she's well suited for the role.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 04:28 AM
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60. Hillary will soon b out as SoS-provoking 2 many potential foreign conflicts-& her career will b over
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:15 AM
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63. "Prvoking 2 many potential foreign conflicts" -- wtf are you talking about?
And, no one over 10 should use "text speak" when writing.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-10 11:39 PM
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54. not.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:49 AM
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55. For the record; it wasn't Rendell who started it - looks like it was Buchanan replying to
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 01:11 AM by anAustralianobserver
a question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=micWxjdttLQ

In conclusion: My post is partially tongue-in-cheek (demonstrating 'confirmation bias'), but I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary Clinton and her allies in the party are considering convincing Obama to not run again.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:06 AM
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56. Hillary's got to be looking at what happened with Julia Gillard & Kevin Rudd
and going: Damn.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 01:22 AM
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57. Yeah; it's interesting comparing US primary elections with the Australian internal party selection
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 01:37 AM by anAustralianobserver
system. Also the importance put to being a 'two-term president' in the US, even if the same party holds the presidency after a 'one-term president'.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:31 AM
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81. But isn't that a parliamentary system, where party leadership
is what leads to the Prime Minister's job if the party wins?

Seems an entirely different dynamic. Hillary does not want Republicans in office. I still remember her saying she did not run so long to end up with an R in office - No way, no McCain. Now she is SOS. She's gone Obamabot.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:59 AM
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58. Woot! A good old fashioned primary challenge! I can't wait!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:13 AM
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62. Nice job making up things and stirring the pot
HRC is a team player and always has been. But you known that already.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:14 PM
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93. Full disclosure: I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but when I heard about the polls in the last
couple of months saying she is currently the Dem with the highest approval, I simply questioned whether these polls were being publicised at this time to crystallise a feeling of regret that she didn't win - at a time when Obama's approval with his base is shaky - by her allies or by Republicans trying to sow dissent.

Polls are important, but they also seem to be the main way people are manipulated between elections (eg the way the Tea Party was co-opted and grown with dodgy polling and RW media feedback).

(Michael Moore or someone should do a movie-documentary on polling because it's so influential and has so little oversight.)

Yesterday when I saw Ed Rendell, I did kind of switch to thinking there is a good chance she might be considering internal party deals to get Obama to retire at the end of this term. These kinds of deals and options must be discussed all the time behind the scenes in political parties.

Having seen the clip it looks like Rendell wasn't 'starting a meme' but just agreeing with Pat Buchanan, and as someone said here he seems to have reconsidered, so I probably read too much into that part of my 'equation', which is on its face a bit ridiculous...

So I'm not trying to sow dissent; just offering my lowish information-based intuition (for exactly what it's worth), that she may recently have been actively exploring this possibility.

Intuitions and speculations are a big part of what forums like this are about (I know DU is also a very important clearing house of established facts) and as long as they're not being presented as facts or valid arguments when they're not I don't see any harm in it.

If I could edit my OP I would change the title to "... = She's thinking 2012" and make it clear I wasn't speculating about a primary challenge, but internal party dealing; just to see if anyone thought I might be on-beam.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:28 AM
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64. Bizarre. Hillary's new hair? Probably to go with her mother-of-the-bride outfit.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 06:13 AM
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65. Stick to perdicting from which direction the sun will rise.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:24 AM
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115. I predict east! Except, of course, in Australia it's the west.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:30 AM
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66. HILLARY'S NEW HAIR SCREAMS 'MOTHER OF THE BRIDE' -- NOTHING MORE!
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:30 AM
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67. You're calling it wrong
If anyone knows poll numbers can change, it's the Clintons.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:31 AM
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68. The Secretary of State is not going to challenge the president in 2012
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 08:31 AM by WI_DEM
for the primary reason is that the president is very popular with his party. So, I'm calling it too.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:34 AM
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69. I've not detected a massive loss of support among women in polls, men, yes, but not women.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:49 AM
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70. Two words. No. Way.
Hillary Clinton likes what she's doing now and isn't in the target zone politically. She gets to travel the globe and do what she's doing without having to deal with the Party of No and its legions of puppets in the mainstream media.


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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:36 AM
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116. I made you think about it; I can tell.
I remember one of your deleted posts in an Elton John thread in 2008:) Funny the things that a long-time DU lurker remembers.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:18 AM
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73. Where Is That "Not This Shit Again" Guy At?
Anyone know?
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:17 AM
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75. didn't she say she didn't want to be Pres.?


I think she meant it.

she is doing a grand job, and a job that takes stamina. more power to her.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:06 AM
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76. Not exactly on topic, but funny:
Last night on the Colbert Report Stephen said something like: "Despite Hillary's early lead, Obama has been elected Mother of the Bride."
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:19 PM
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94. hehe close enough
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:13 AM
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78. That's not a good call at all. Rendell changed his tune to be more receptive of Obama being on
The View after others pointed out the positive reasons for going on (but the media kept playing only his first negative reaction), and I read an article that said Hillary is growing her hair for an "up-do" hairstyle at Chelsea's wedding.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:24 AM
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79. Start wearing a hat.
Last summer's sun got to you.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:29 AM
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80. You need to get closer to than from Australia
so as to make more accurate observations.

:hi:
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:24 PM
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95. hehe imagine the speculations around the world on US pollitics of ppl even less informed than me:)
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 11:55 AM
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82. ROLF. Don't think so. If she does, she's gonna lose . . . again.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 12:10 PM
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83. LOL
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:41 PM
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84. Let's go over (and correct) all the things that various posters have gotten wrong in this thread:
1) Hillary getting a new hairdo does not indicate that she's running for president.

2) Hillary would not challenge Obama in the primary.

3) If Hillary wasn't Secretary of State she still wouldn't challenge Obama.

4) There is no reason to believe that Obama is likely to draw a primary challenger.

5) Afghanistan does not appear to be to Obama what Vietnam was to LBJ.

6) There is no reason to believe that Obama won't run for re-election.

7) If for some reason Obama did retire it still isn't clear that Hillary would want to run again.

8) Hillary is not about to be fired as Secretary of State. In fact, she does step down before the end of Obama's first term, it would most likely be so that she can succeed Bob Gates as Secretary of Defense.

9) Hillary's previous run for president is not an embarrassment for her. She got a lot of votes and won over many supporters. Not everyone can win, and no matter how many times Clinton-haters try to claim it, she did not start out with the same standing that Bill Clinton had as a sitting president or that Al Gore had as a sitting vice-president. Most polling in 2005, 2006 and early 07 showed Hillary at about 35% in the polls. Obama debuted in the low 20s. In other words, she didn't have the early poll dominance that George W. Bush had in 1999 (or perhaps Mondale in 1983--I don't know his exact numbers). And Obama wanted her out on the campaign trail in the GE, as (arguably) his most prominent and active surrogate. That's not something that would ever have been asked of her in 2004--before her presidential campaign.

10) If Hillary does run for president again, the best evidence from polling is that she would not be hampered by her previous run. She has strong job approval/favorability numbers, especially among Democrats. Her numbers are much stronger now than the last time she ran. And although some people on DU like to describe her "behavior" as disgraceful (backed up by the mantra that history is written by the winners), the reality is that she won most of the primaries towards the end of the race, when supposedly her behavior was at its worst.

If you want to argue that the American people (and especially Democrats) are wrong to like her and wrong not to think of her 2008 campaign as a source of shame, then it's certainly your right to make that argument. But for better or worse, they don't think that.

11) 69 is not too old to be elected president (although I don't think Hillary will choose to run in 2016).

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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:31 PM
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101. Thanks for your points. As you say, Obama wouldn't have wanted her out on the campaign trail if she
hadn't run a relatively successful campaign.

As for some of your other points, see my post 93.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 03:51 PM
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85. Hmm...
:rofl:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 04:18 PM
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86. she has nothing in the way of clout for any bargaining and planning
Edited on Wed Jul-28-10 04:20 PM by Whisp
plse remember so many superdelegates did not want her. whats the big change now? The MSM has been portraying Obama as a big loser, and unfortunately otherwise astute people here that know how that games works, believe that crap.

Obama will be fine, and do fine.

Fine man. We are lucky he came around when he did.

---
p.s. Rendell's always been an asshole. he was disgusting during the primaries and most likely is still working on Hillary's campaign to this day.

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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:49 PM
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103. Yeah, maybe I'm overestimating her clout. My picture of the Dem party as the Clinton group plus
a coalition of over-the-Clintons factions is probably a bit too much of a caricature.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 05:08 PM
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89. Mother of the Bride.. upcoming wedding..
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 07:36 PM
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92. I'm calling it, anyone who believes this tripe is plain stupid.
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:46 PM
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97. This STILL will not work. History and perception are real bitches.
This would be pulling a Tancredo, or something like that. I'm sorry, but I really believe that. She is good where she is.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 08:55 PM
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98. "This would be pulling a Tancredo" ... Nope, it would be pulling a Teddy.
And she won't betray Barack.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:13 PM
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100. Maybe just maybe her only daughter is getting married and
she wanted a change.

Oh yea, women do change their hairstyles as often as they want.

Must be a slow news day...
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:45 PM
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102. Put down the bong and step away slowly.
Series
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Ross K Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 09:49 PM
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104. Morning Joke?
:rofl:
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-28-10 10:18 PM
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106. hehe It was a real question or 2 with a sizeable serving of blarney. See post 93
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 12:52 AM
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109. oh it's a pun on 'Morning Joe', see I'm in tune you see, sometimes.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 01:04 AM
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111. all these posts and no PICTURE of the new hairdo?
What's it like? Margaret Thatcher?

What??
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 02:04 AM
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117. I couldn't find the video of her hair I saw on an MSNBC show.
Here's 2 examples, but I saw a clip where her hair looked more curled at the ends, maybe greyish; and some people commented it looked Founding Father-like. I thought of Margaret Thatcher as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up56giGd3FA
(interesting clip btw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTu--0GN-U

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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-10 03:13 PM
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121. Her daughter is getting married this weekend
This has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with being the mother of the bride.
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