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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:45 AM Original message |
VENEZUELA: Fake CIA protests don't count! |
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Louis Cipher (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. Viva Chavez!!! |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
184. Viva Chavez back at you :-) - it is funny to watch the children of the rich protest along with the |
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gorbal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #184 |
266. Oh god yeah! |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. Chavez has the power to bypass the Legislature and has eliminated... |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It's his patriotic duty to assume all the power and suppress opposition. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Oh yeah, I missed that part... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. I didn't say that. I said the "opposition" is being funded by the US! |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:03 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. And we disagree. |
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pork medley (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
198. and public property is theft |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #198 |
204. That doesn't even make sense. |
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pork medley (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #204 |
220. then why did you argue in another thread that chavez bringing |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #220 |
226. You're just trying to suck me into a meaningless argument. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. Deleted message |
Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. Lovely. Quick with the insults, I see. |
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pork medley (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #231 |
233. since when was "libertarian" an insult? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:47 PM Response to Reply #233 |
263. Ron Paul would think so. |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Just like the "opposition" in the US |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #34 |
293. No, but if it were controlled by China or Iran, then that would be a foreign |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
122. You are correct -RCTV attempted to overthrow an elected gov by force - they should be in prison |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 03:33 PM Response to Reply #122 |
299. "RCTV attempted to overthrow an elected gov by force" |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
168. I don't guess it matters that RCTV has been around 53 years. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #168 |
248. So has CBS, ABC and NBC here in the USA and look what |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
116. "suppress opposition"? - a law was passed the opposition did not like allowing the government to |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:33 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. I don't think anyone here has contested the legitimacy of the Venezuelan elections. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #119 |
131. There is nothing reprehensible going on - compensation is being paid as in any US government |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #131 |
173. Well, I see no hypocrisy in that. |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:17 PM Response to Reply #173 |
180. Public Domain takings with compensation is quite legal in the US - what is your point? n/t |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #180 |
203. Are you endorsing that behavior? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #203 |
277. Yes - I am endorsing that behavior - takings for the public are very American - the Court in Texas |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
89. unbridled dictatorial powers? LOL - same logic applied to US from 1776 to 1952 - our Presidents |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
135. suppose Bush had been kidnapped by his political opposition |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #135 |
142. I'll answer your question if you answer mine... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #142 |
152. He didn't "shut them down" |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #152 |
158. That's a pretty subtle distinction... |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #158 |
163. how do you feel about the opposition to Chavez? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. As Rummy used to say "I don't know what I don't know..." |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #165 |
182. you can't discuss this without discussing the coup |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #158 |
205. their license expired and was not renewed |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #142 |
162. my answer is no |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
292. If Bush shut down an English Speaking Anti-Bush station run by the Chinese |
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SOUTHERN_BOY (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 05:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
308. You are kidding me |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. Unitary dictatorship |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Indeed. Chavez is beginning to leave a residue of brimstone wherever he goes. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:41 AM Original message |
Compare how the Venezuelan people fare under Chavez with American under Bush* |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
49. Would you sell your freedoms for a meal? |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
91. Did the Venezuela people do that? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #91 |
97. The freedom to have their elected legislature represent their interests. |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. What you are describing is not a Democracy but a Republic |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #97 |
138. We don't even have that here |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
60. Does Chavez make the trains run on time? |
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Buzz Clik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
145. You want me to compare a wannabe North American dictator to a bonafide dictator from South America? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #145 |
147. Hahaha, that was a good one! |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Personally, I think Bush sent away to Chavez's Banana Republic Dictator School... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
58. Hugo's perpetual power grabs and seamy demagogic flourishes should make Chimpy proud. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. Is Human Rights Watch a fake CIA organization? |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Who knows. It doesn't matter anyway. RCTV was involved in the coup. nuff said |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Um, didn't Chavez instigate his own coup? Oh yeah, that's different... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. It was against a government that murdered thousands of people because they protested Chicago School |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. So I guess coups that you approve of are OK. I see, |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Caring enough to fight fascism -- how can you be upset. It's even better when |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I'm not upset. I just see a real problem here with a strong double standard. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #55 |
72. What crap. Chavez was trying to overthrow a criminal. The CIA |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. OK, so now that Venezuela has a democratically elected government |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. You are comparing apples and oranges, that's why it makes |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #84 |
93. I am not comparing apples and oranges. I am comparing |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. First, Bush has never been elected once. Second, |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Now, with all due respect, you are changing the subject. If you want |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. I'm not changing the subject. I'm pointing out the problems |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
136. the legislature voted him the power to bypass the legislature for a limited period - unlike |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #136 |
144. Does it concern you at all why they did this? Are they just lazy? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #144 |
178. Does not concern me in the least - a legal move approved by 80% of the population n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #144 |
206. Lazy? Maybe dirty and infectious, too? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #206 |
215. How you leapt from lazy to 'dirty and infectious' is beyond me. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #215 |
218. Why do you feel so entitled to impose your values |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #218 |
227. My comment was not judgemental, it was ironic. One has |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #80 |
255. What's wrong with getting rid of term limits? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #55 |
82. If the US murdered its citizens to protect neoliberal policies that turned society |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. Um, become very frightened, I guess. I don't really understand the analogy. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. You don't understand the analogy because you don't know the facts in Venezuela? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #92 |
101. This is really pretty simple... if it is wrong for Bush to use his "Signing Statements" |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #101 |
107. I didn't say that part was wrong. Democracy is corrupted by money in the US |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. I sure do get it. I expect you, too will understand as time passes. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
207. A lot of time has passed since '99 and since Venezuela's terrible neoliberal presidents |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #101 |
118. Congress doesn't approve the "signing statements." |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #118 |
120. The legislature has abdicated its responsibility. It would be the same |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Your subjective and hyperbolic evaluation doesn't change the |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #127 |
133. So if the elected representatives of the Venezuelan people |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #133 |
134. Well, the counter example is that they have done this before |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
225. so you're a big fan of King George III, I take it? by your idiotic logic, |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
143. Yes. He went to prison for it. Then he got out. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #5 |
71. Human Rights Watch... |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #71 |
137. They claim no government funding - but others point out State Dept influence n/t |
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mcg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 03:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
224. HRW: Venezuela: TV Shutdown Harms Free Expression |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. John Perkins (Economic Hitman) has a new book coming out! |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
13. That review is spot-on... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I read Hitman and I think it was one of the best books ever wrote. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I guess it's believable if you come into it with a preconceived notion |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. What were you skeptical about? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. I am sceptical of EVERYTHING. But since you ask, |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. So, nothing specific? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Well since you ask, in every chapter, every person he meets |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. That's absurd. You find it hard to believe that those college students in Indonesia |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
256. Empires are evil by nature |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Yep, I view people like Chavez a direct result of our nation's destabilizing... |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:21 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Just read your post, raced right off and ordered the new Perkins book. Can't wait 'til it's out. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
236. GREAT! |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
16. Chávez' decision on RCTV supported in Nicaragua |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
19. I wish I had a president who cared for me like he cares for his people |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Do you wish you had a president with unlimited powers like Chavez now has? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Thank GOD we don't have a unitary executive who writes |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:17 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Chavez won re-election 6 months ago. Apparently the people want him |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. He's got about an 80% approval rating but you can't tell that from the FAKE |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
41. I remember when that was true of Bush |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Actually, I think little boots was even higher, he was in the 90s. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #70 |
85. DING! Meet the new boss, same as the old boss |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. Do you have a link for that claim? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Linky |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Your 'linky' says nothing about term limits. Says decree powers are to increase democracy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. And those powers are for a specific task and for a specific term |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. How would you feel if Bush assumed these powers ... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #42 |
51. He doesn't need to assume these powers. He already has a RW cheerleading |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #42 |
52. I answered you above. Wake up and smell the signing statements. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:55 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. And don't forget Fast Tack Trade Negotiation |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Were you upset when Clinton tried to get Fast Track authority? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yes. And NAFTA has been horrendous for American workers. n/t |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #63 |
69. I am upset that Bush and Clinton used it to make wall st wealthy and increase |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #63 |
103. I, for one, was against it. Clinton looks good when compared |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #103 |
117. Yep, Fast Track was approved way back in the 70s... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #63 |
258. Fuck YES!!! |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
65. Yes he does, and it's WRONG. So why is it OK for Chavez to bypass the legislature? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #65 |
73. The LEGISLATURE gave him these powers to increase democracy. It's the opposite of Fast Track Trade |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. The problem is that you think it can be legitimate to violate separation of powers. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. The rules in Venezuela are narrowly drawn to achieve a specific purpose because the country |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. There is no violation of the separation of powers. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #90 |
105. Last time I checked an executive wielding legislative powers violates the separation of powers... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. That's a circular argument. He was given specific powers |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #108 |
115. Just like Fast Track "authority" it's a violation of separation of powers... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #115 |
155. You know you still haven't responded. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:31 PM Response to Reply #155 |
190. It's not just like Fast Track. Fast Track benefits multinationals, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #65 |
75. What is it about constitutional governance that escapes your |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
86. The Bolivarian Constitution is so long I doubt that anyone who voted for it... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
94. Wrong. The Chavez government put in literacy programs |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #86 |
98. Man, that argument is aiming really really low. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:42 AM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Patience, grasshopper... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:47 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. "by constitutional amdendment" fool. Do you hate constitutions and democracy? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. How would you respond if Bush tried to get term limits removed |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:05 AM Response to Reply #67 |
78. I would hope that it happend after Fox lost its license to broadcast |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
83. False dilemma. n/t |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #83 |
149. Well, I will not pressure you again to answer my question. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. I have answered your question and I have pointed out |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #151 |
167. You did point out that the Venezuelan legislature granted Chavez his powers, but |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #167 |
171. Bush didn't wait for Congress to do that. He uses secret signing |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. We all know that, and we all know that it is wrong. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. There's nothing slippery about it. Bush flouts the law. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. OK, now I understand... thanks for taking the time for all the replies. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #176 |
186. I apologize if I was testy. There is a lot of reflexive Chavez bashing |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #35 |
300. Yep real shif in power. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I'm so glad Death Squads Negroponte weighed in. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Seriously. |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:34 AM Response to Reply #20 |
30. I see you choose to not answer my question. That's fine. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
156. You mean, like a president that purges minorities from voting rolls, |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #156 |
160. OK, we've established that you do not approve of Bush. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:35 PM Response to Reply #160 |
166. What I really disapprove of is dickheads that are constantly meddling into |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. What am I missing here? Chavez can bypass the legislature. |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #170 |
174. What are you missing here? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:20 PM Response to Reply #174 |
183. You're right about one thing... time will tell. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
22. CARTOON COUP D'ETAT |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
100. Note to CIA: Next time you fake a coup, make sure there are no |
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Emit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
148. The National Endowment for Democracy (NED) |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
25. Salvadoran demonstrators show support for Chávez' decision on RCTV |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #25 |
112. Cool. There's hope in El Salvador. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
26. Venezuela's RCTV: Sine Die and GOOD RIDDANCE! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
29. Venezuela's RCTV: Sine Die and Good Riddance |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Great minds think alike! |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:48 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. As do the great fans of dictatorship! |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. zzzzzzzzz |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
95. LOL! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #50 |
96. ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #96 |
234. I thumb my nose at your smiley |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #234 |
240. LOL! |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #240 |
245. Not as pathetic |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 06:08 PM Response to Reply #245 |
250. hey the clue bus is pulling up for you..... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #245 |
261. Thank you for interjecting genuinely *democratic* sensibility into the discussion. |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
109. Oh no, that'll look bad, people will just not be there. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #109 |
114. You have no factual basis to make such a charge. Bush |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
181. yes we do! |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
36. When I read about the real people demonstrating..... |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Don't worry about the soaps |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Chavez has no intention of shutting down soaps, gameshows or sports. |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. I know that..... |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
161. I am so relieved that Chavez has moved to protect the SOAPS! |
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Missy M (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #45 |
64. Well that will be nothing new..... |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
43. Documents Reveal U.S. Effort to Influence Venezuelan Journalists |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #43 |
74. I suppose Chavez' offer of low-cost fuel to poor Americans is not propoganda? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:25 AM Response to Reply #74 |
110. But Mr. Chavez did not pose as an American journalist when |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #74 |
257. Democratic Congressmen and leaders of Native American tribes were blown off by our oil companies |
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Wilber_Stool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
57. Here's the thread |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #57 |
81. That needs it's own thread. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
77. He's a Kinder, Gentler Dictator. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:16 PM Response to Reply #77 |
179. That can be repeated over and over but, the repetition doesn't make it true. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
113. Fuck Chavez. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
121. I would take Chavez as president over our war criminal and tin-pot dictator any day |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Just wondering out loud how many applications for citizenship the Venezuelan Consul |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Why guess? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #123 |
139. the CIA would know the number - and no doubt would take care of the problem n/t |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
124. I would think you people would save your outrage for an unelected |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Some have never heard of glass houses |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #124 |
130. Actually, I have enough outrage to go around for our dictator, Venezuela's dictator... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. No one here is supporting dictatorship. You are making |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #130 |
153. What dictatorship? Don't you comprehend the difference between a |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #153 |
159. What if the CIA is bad, yet Chavez is as well? |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #159 |
164. The only people who are bitching about what Chavez is doing are those |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
169. You are an independent observer who seems to know little |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #159 |
304. Sorry folks |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
128. Brilliant post, Joanne. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #128 |
141. Thankyou Vidar! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
129. Es verdad!! |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
140. Thank you for this post. It's a big "NO SH1T" for many of us |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #140 |
150. Joanne made me remember those fake protestors |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #150 |
238. You made me remember the "Brooks Brothers" protestors in Florida 2000 |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
146. Apparently thousands of CIA employees are now clashing with |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:25 PM Response to Reply #146 |
210. Here's thread that might interest you on the issue of executive transgression: |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #210 |
214. I think most of use here agree that Bush has overreached and the |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:48 PM Response to Reply #214 |
221. I do, too. And so far, I don't see that happening in Venezuela. n/t |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
154. King Hugo is the real national security threat, not TV stations. I guess he only wants Fox News |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #154 |
177. You have it exactly backwards. RW, Bush-backed media |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:39 PM Response to Reply #177 |
273. Sorry, it's just an excuse to silence opposition. And he's reaching beyond this particular TV |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:40 PM Response to Reply #154 |
193. pathetic indeed |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Thanks, leftchick. I seem to have deleted my bookmarks |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #195 |
199. my pleasure |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
157. US Taxpayers Fund Media Distortions = $96M Propaganda Project & $1.6B spent |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:21 PM Response to Reply #157 |
185. Once you recognize the pattern, it's pretty obvious, isn't it? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
187. Does anyone have a link handy for the film about the failed CIA coup? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #187 |
229. Here you go..... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #229 |
270. Thank you! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
188. "Reporting and Credibility: RCTV" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #188 |
189. OMG, they kidnapped him and told the people he had resigned! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
191. "Fox News is a kitten compared to RCTV." |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #191 |
211. You people make me sick...Opportunistic speech |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #211 |
223. and you |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #223 |
242. The chavez shills here have a problem with a binary choice.. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #242 |
252. you never address legitimate links posted in this thread |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #252 |
286. Scary shit around here |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #211 |
259. Did The Progressive have a broadcast license? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:13 PM Response to Reply #259 |
268. self kill double post |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #259 |
269. stupid because you cant follow the bread crumbs? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 12:13 AM Response to Reply #269 |
278. Since when does any broadcaster have rights to any part of publicly owned airwaves? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 01:23 AM Response to Reply #278 |
282. So the FCC should |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 06:03 AM Response to Reply #282 |
290. Where is is written that any TV or radio station anywhere in the world-- |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 06:06 AM Response to Reply #282 |
291. Fox is denying my freedom of speech by holding its broadcasting license |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:47 PM Response to Reply #291 |
313. Petition your government. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
192. Venezuela: The case of RCTV and freedom of speech |
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shenmue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
194. So, you don't believe in free speech then? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. LOL! It is a tad more complicated than that |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #194 |
201. Have you read this OP or the thread? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
196. "Don't Cry for Venezuela's RCTV" |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #196 |
235. So the previous government censored the news |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #235 |
254. again |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
200. And the water warms for the froggies... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. What crap #2. How's your access to Al Jazeera these days? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:16 PM Response to Reply #202 |
208. They are in operation |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. We have not attacked them? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #209 |
212. Their office has not been attacked, by your bad logic, we attacked italy |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. We have killed several staffers and how you can elide that fact |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:45 PM Original message |
We killed members of the UK and Canadian armed forces "staffers" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
219. Have you ever heard of the Downing Street Memo? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #219 |
222. Yep published |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
216. Chavez, a man disrespectful of private property and freedom of opinion |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #216 |
230. "radical lefties" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #230 |
243. unlike the people here, not radicals |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 06:10 PM Response to Reply #243 |
251. I have provided many links showing that "free speech" meme to be BULLSHIT |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #251 |
265. I read it, Just like I read Progressive VS US |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
217. Chavez, a man disrespectful of private property and freedom of opinion |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #217 |
272. Quick Chavez inventory. |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #272 |
301. Few more to add to your list |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
232. For all of those here who have no idea about he 2002 coup attemp |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #232 |
237. If you don't know about the 2002 coup, you don't know nuthin.. MUST WATCH! |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
239. Hey! all you credulous jackasses who are buying the Buscho, NED, CIA, AP swill, and |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #239 |
241. some more for you lot who throw yourselves in with the likes of Reich. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 05:21 AM Response to Reply #239 |
288. I'm sure a bunch of DU'ers will be bookmarking your post. VERY important links. |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
244. This is just soooo friggin' weird. We here on DU post, every day, |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #244 |
246. A 53 year old media outlet |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. Seems to me that CBS has been around for more than |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #249 |
267. That is your opinion, it could be considered subversive |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 12:22 AM Response to Reply #267 |
280. Oh puleeze. Let's not get into the freedoms thing again. You |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #280 |
285. How are two spanish channels and BBC1 |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #285 |
296. First stop with the ad hominems, accusing me of not being |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #285 |
309. They do NOT have a RIGHT to broadcast on the public airways. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:41 PM Response to Reply #309 |
311. What part of retaliation do you not understand |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 08:26 PM Response to Reply #311 |
314. I'm NOT advocating anything (though YOU are). |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #246 |
253. Didn't 'tow the line'. That's cute. I've never heard treason described that |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #253 |
262. Media outlets that don't the regime in power, or the "President", are traitors? Now *that's* cute! |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:52 PM Response to Reply #262 |
275. Hmmm. You're being ridiculous. The 'regime' was elected by popular |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #253 |
264. Treason like murder is a term one is convicted of |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #264 |
274. Treason, like murder, is an act. Conviction is an afterthought, a |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #274 |
284. It is easily thrown around, by people who lack |
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acmavm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:59 AM Response to Reply #284 |
287. Yes they most certainly would have been hanged. The fact that they |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 08:36 PM Response to Reply #246 |
260. No, its the people who are outsoucing all our jobs and starting wars-- |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #244 |
289. Those RCTV/Venevision stats are hideous, aren't they? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
247. Thanks for a very informative thread. |
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HowHasItComeToThis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #247 |
271. WHO DOES THE CIA WORK FOR ANYWAY? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #271 |
279. Mostly it protects American mining and oil industries overseas |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 01:27 AM Response to Reply #279 |
283. Read something |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #283 |
295. I should have been clearer. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:43 PM Response to Reply #295 |
312. Noam |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-30-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #312 |
315. Really he is far more informed than me |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #279 |
303. CIA Doesn't |
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murloc (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-28-07 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
276. How does a TV station "help" a coup |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
281. Ha ha... Chavez doesn't play their game, and it's pissing the CIA off big time! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 03:28 PM Response to Reply #281 |
298. You bet! |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:32 AM Response to Original message |
294. Errr - you believe in throwing reporters in prison for treason? |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
297. Meanwhile |
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LBJDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #297 |
302. Detestable |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #297 |
305. Excuse me but practicing medicine without a license in any |
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vincent_vega_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:50 PM Response to Reply #305 |
306. Further clarification |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 04:56 PM Response to Reply #306 |
307. Your post indicates there was no problem just some |
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Dave From Canada (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-29-07 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
310. Chavez = Bush, his defenders = Chavezbots |
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