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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:17 AM
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Report: Sidney Town Board Meeting


“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.”
Martin Luther King, Jr.

(D.U.) Sidney, N.Y.: The rural upstate community of Sidney, N.Y., was the scene of a much anticipated Town Board Meeting last night, to discuss issues relating to Supervisor Bob McCarthy's attempt to force the excavation of Muslim graves from a local cemetery. The controversy became national news when Andrew Reinbach reported about it on Huffington Post, leading to Keith Olbermann's rewarding McCarthy the prestigious “Worst Person in the World” award.

The reaction to this news was immediate. Residents and former residents of the community were outraged, not only by McCarthy's attempts to bully a tiny Sufi farming settlement, but by the way that the Supervisor had soiled Sidney's reputation. Across the country, people recognized the situation as the negative potential of allowing radical right-wing Tea Party activists to take office. McCarthy quickly became the poster boy for the diseased thinking known as nativism. McCarthy's actions offended many, perhaps none more so than his fellow Irish-Americans, who view this as a mutant version of the hatred that their families experienced in the area, from the time when the immigrated to this country due to the Great Starvation (also known as the Potato Famine) through John Kennedy's election to the Presidency.

The powers-that-be in Sidney had attempted to defuse the crisis on Wednesday, by communicating their decision to cease the Town Board's attack on the Sufi settlement, in a letter from the town's attorney to Thomas Schimmerling, who has volunteered to provide legal representation for the Sufi settlement. When they saw that the grass roots movement was still coming to their meeting (see Face Book's “Impeach Bob McCarthy”), the town opted to close the local Boys & Girls Club, which is located in the Sidney Civic Center, and to move the meeting from its usual location to a much larger room.

People began arriving in the late afternoon and early evening, in order to get seats for the meeting. I had the opportunity to sit and speak with Andrew Reinbach and AP reporter Helen O'Neill about the dynamics of this controversy. A half-hour before the meeting was scheduled to begin, all the seats were filled, people had lined the back and sides of the room, and many others were standing outside in the hallway.

The Town Board members, clerk, highway supervisor, and attorney all appeared uncomfortable as the meeting was called to order. In particular, Bob McCarthy's body language communicated a hostility brewing close to the surface, perhaps not surprising considering that approximately 150 citizens had gathered to demand his resignation. He was not able to process simple statements directed at him by other board members; instead, he looked confused, asking, “What?” The advantage of my sitting in the front row was the ability to hear a board member tell him to relax, that “these people are all here to get your autograph, Bob.”

Although this was a public meeting, McCarthy had failed to provide us with an agenda, a practice that is common in any board meeting. Thus, as the board busied itself in trivial nonsense, ignoring the crowd, a number of citizens asked if it was possible to discuss the board's crisis? McCarthy blew up, and threatened to have anyone who spoke tossed from the room. Attorney Schimmerling politely said, “I believe that people are wondering if you are going to show a little class and address the problem.” McCarthy, in tantrum mode, threatened to move to have the meeting closed to the public.

This reporter has known several of the people on the board and in other, related positions, for decades. Although I only know Mr. Cordes (the only democrat on the board) and Mr. Hamilton casually, I believe that both are decent men, who were pressured by the bullying tactics of the three Tea Party board members. Cordes, in fact, had issued an apology earlier in the week. I have also had some very positive contact with the town's attorney, Joseph Armeti, over the years, and although a number of people have expressed anger over his role in this controversy, I believe that his role in this was limited. He and I had a good conversation after the meeting.

The Town Clerk opted to read a letter that members of the board had written earlier in the day directed to the people attending the meeting. They noted that McCarthy had won the recent election, and that not everything he has done since taking office is negative. However, they wrote that they recognized that McCarthy lacks “people skills,” and promised to work with him on correcting this deficit. I noted that McCarthy looked humiliated as this part of the board's message was read.

The board then presented their new proposal for a town law that would require a $25,000 fee for new cemeteries, and threatened large fines and incarceration for any offenders. When questioned about when the last time a cemetery that would be covered by the proposed law had been made, the board stated that it was in the Civil War era. When board member John Schaffer stated twice that it should be “crystal clear” this law had nothing to do with the Sufi cemetery, I noted that his quoting Richard Nixon was hardly reassuring.

A woman from nearby Masonville (which is part of the Sidney Central School district) asked to speak. Her son, a Boy Scout who attends Sidney High School, had recently restored a pioneer cemetery, and received support from local merchants and individuals. Her advocating for creative ways to deal with the costs of cemetery upkeep – I have also worked with area youth groups and historical societies on restoring old cemeteries – appeared to offend McCarthy, who's only response was, “You don't pay taxes here.” Hopefully, wiser people recognize that this lady and many others not only have children in Sidney's schools, but tend to shop in Sidney's stores.

When McCarthy continued to insist the issue was resolved, and that the board would not allow citizens to exercise their Amendment 1 rights as guaranteed by the Constitution, people began asking, “What are you afraid of?” A former village official told McCarthy that he was offended by his telling Fox News that he was the victim in this situation; when he told McCarthy that “if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen,” the audience applauded for several minutes.

One of the Sufi land owners also spoke. Her presence is that of a gentle, king human being. She said that throughout the past three months, no one from the board had called, written, or visited her, to discuss their concerns with the cemetery. If they had, she would have shown them the proper permits for the cemetery, and taken the time to answer any questions they might have still had. She suggested this would have been better than the board taking a confrontational stance.

Hans Hass, the Sufi spokesperson, noted that McCarthy had told reporters that they had broken the law, and that he (McCarthy) wanted to force the excavation of the graves. He asked if McCarthy would admit the cemetery was indeed legal ? McCarthy would not. Hass asked why, when McCarthy has stated numerous times that he had no idea what the law was, he told reporters it had been broken? McCarthy told Hass to ask the town attorney. Hass said no, you are the one who said this, and so I'm asking you?

At this point, another board member (McCarthy's son-in-law) attempted to deflect attention from this important question. While he was doing so, the town attorney quietly asked Bob if he had really said those things? Bob said no, he didn't think so. I told the attorney that he definitely had, and another front row reporter confirmed this.

Hass politely told Bob's son-in-law that his question was directed at McCarthy, and that only he could answer it. He again asked McCarthy the question. Bob, turning scarlet, folded his arms, and sneered, “Whatever.”

At this point, a young man who is the brother of one of the people buried in the tiny cemetery began to speak about the pain of not only losing a family member, but of having the Town Supervisor threaten to “excavate” his grave. Before he could finish, the Town Board opted to close the meeting, cutting off what many of us considered the most important messages in this conflict.

McCarthy's repugnant behavior is the tip of an ice cube. Over the years, a few people who have fallen for the anti-Islamic hysteria being peddled by snakes such as Glenn Beck have reportedly called the State Police and FBI to complain about the Sufi settlement. Both agencies have visited the farm, and found that it poses no threat to anyone, and that no laws were broken in regard to the cemetery.

The community response has been overwhelmingly positive. The local farmers get along well with the Sufi people. I've known many of these farmers for decades, and I place great trust in their judgment. More, hundreds of community residents have expressed support for the settlement, and outrage at Bob McCarthy's conduct. I fully support their demand that McCarthy either resign in utter disgrace, or be impeached and removed from office. It's important for board members and other officials to recognize that this conflict will not be resolved until McCarthy is out of office.

Peace & Justice,
H2O Man




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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:25 AM
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1. Brilliant
thanks for the report
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:28 AM
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3. Thank you.
It was a very strange meeting. McCarthy is a hateful person. He kept glaring at me (also at Andrew, whom he blames for all this!), and I found that smiling at him ended the stare-downs.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:27 AM
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2. Excellent!
What is the process for impeachment? If it begins with collecting signatures, now would be the time to start.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:30 PM
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9. Yes, we have
begun to shift into the next gear.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:29 AM
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4. Thank you for the up-date, H20 Man...
I am glad there was such a good turnout for the meeting, it certainly shows the community, as a whole, in a very good light and gives a very different perspective of them than when the story first came to be.

Recommended.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:41 PM
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14. Thanks for that.
It is troubling to see a small group of Tea Partiers with an ugly agenda give a nice community a bad name. There was a local businessman there, speaking for many merchants, saying this conduct is not acceptable. His business has been in his family for generations. In these hard times, he doesn't want the general public to view Sidney through the hateful lense McCarthy created.

There were parents of school children, and retired teachers, saying that McCarthy is sending a very bad message to the young people in the community. There are Islamic students in Sidney and the surrounding area, who are wonderful members of our communities. I think it is important that, after the initial media reports on "Sidney, freakin' USA," that the whole story be told. The only "Zombies" in Sidney are the Tea Party Board Members.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:35 AM
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5. K&R
Even though I haven't made comments previously, I've been following this story through your threads. Thanks for keeping us updated and you and others fighting the good fight. Also it is very encouraging to read that the community is supportive.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 06:38 PM
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23. Thanks.
It's a pretty intense drama for a small town.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:45 AM
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6. Thank you for sharing that!
:thumbsup:
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bulldogge Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:57 AM
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7. !
Fantastic report on the meeting last night. A number of things stood out to me or were presented to me later on that I thought were important as well.

First as I was sitting next to you I am sure you were very well aware that it seemed like McCarthy was taking a mental note of each and every person in the crowd and behind folded arms and a scowl was trying to convey the message that "you're on my list now", but you were right a simple smile seemed to really make him uncomfortable.

Second I want to point this out, and it may only make sense to those who live in the community but while reading the statement they made the comment that McCarthy had defeated a very popular man, the former supervisor, and it was done so in a landslide victory. McCarthy beat Joe Madalone in the republican "primary" so to speak. In regards to the actual seat of supervisor he beat out a Princeton/Columbia educated Democrat named Dawn Rivers-Baker. REgardless of whether or not you agree with her agenda she is light years ahead of this guy in intelligence. It was a simple case of a republican community voting by party rather than ability. Not mentioning her was a deliberate attempt to insult her by the board and McCarthy and I just want to publicly clear that up.

I also heard his lawyer asked if he had "said that" but his tone of voice did not leave me thinking it was asked due to council but from disbelief, almost like a parent finding out their child was misbehaving when they left the room.

On the ride home my friend made the comment that when McCarthy said, "I don't know" if the cemetery is legal or not the entire board got wide eyed and very nervous. No place to hide at moments like that.

Another thing that stood out to me was the emotional reaction of the crowd, especially when the brother of the young man buried in Sidney Center attempted to speak and was literally cut off by McCarthy throwing on his coat and leaving. People were openly sobbing at the boards open disrespect of this young man and his community.

Though on occasion Sidney can create frustration I was really proud to be a member of a community that was/is willing to stand up for what is right and it is reassuring to know that small towns do not necessarily breed small minds.

I am happy for my Sufi neighbors on one hand but feel that they are still owed a public apology, paperwork stating their burials are legal and that the entire village of Sidney deserves Bob McCarthy's resignation, or impeachment, which ever he prefers.
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:12 PM
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8. Here we have
A prime example of what happens when you don't vote. The minority gets its chance to sneak into your (our) government and starts changing things, enabling their agenda, restricting your (our) rights. I applaud the good folks of Sydney for seeing through this scam and fighting back. Yes upstate NY communities may be more conservative than the bigger population suburbs and cities but most people in those areas a hard working fair minded people. My grandparents lived nearby and I now live in Dutchess county. Do not let the dark forces take over!
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 12:55 PM
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10. Wow, that guy looks like Doug Bruce's twin brother
People from Colorado will know who I mean. He's the original anti-tax asshole that screwed up the state budget with the Tabor amendment. The resemblance is uncanny. Do you think there's a gene for being a prick?
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Barking Spider Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:03 PM
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11. Great recap and don't let up! n/t
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:25 PM
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12. just to clarify -- the sufis have lived in the area for years?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:30 PM
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13. Yes.
They have lived in Sidney since 2002. In 2005, they got the permit required for the cemetery, from a Sidney officia. This year, in a move to express outrage at the proposed Islamic Center being built near Ground Zero, McCarthy & Co. began their attack on this cemetery.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:43 PM
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16. so this kind of attack is new, then. thanks.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:50 PM
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17. Yes.
McCarthy, interestingly, only recently moved to Sidney.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:56 PM
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18. that *is* interesting. is someone looking into that?
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 02:02 PM by Hannah Bell
i've seen some sort of similar things around here that have made me wonder. one connected to a church, the other to neo-nazis.

hope you can get the guy booted -- & any followers he might have discredited.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 01:43 PM
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15. Thanks H2O Man!
Glad to have you on our side. Your report is well written and I'm glad you were there to cover this important story. It's important for us to remember on DU that these local city counsels, school boards, and other local offices are targeted by fundamentalists and tea-partiers because they often fly under the radar in elections.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:33 PM
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19. I've been waiting for this update. Thanks so much.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:37 PM
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20. I had hoped
to get it done last night. However, the meeting tired me out ....feeling my age, I guess.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 02:43 PM
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21. No sweat--you did great
And it's good to know we have our DU tag team of H20 Man and bulldogge on top of the story. :)

Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 03:03 PM
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22. I can remember
when Mr. Bulldogge was a young pup, and would sometimes assist Chief Waterman and myself on various projects. It's my pleasure to assist him on this one. A full circle.
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:50 PM
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24. that is good that the community came
and supported the Sufi cemetery and great that you are involved.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:02 PM
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25. Sounds like the vast majority of the community see the "big picture"
and understand where McCarthy and his hateful band need a good kick in the fanny (out of office!)

Thanks for the update. I know I haven't posted but I have been following along since the controversy landed in the news.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:30 PM
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26. They are sufis?...
No wonder they are being singled out. The mildest, kindest, most ascetic of the Muslim groups...

Perfect target for bullies.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:43 PM
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27. The folks behind the NYC community center are Sufis, too.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 12:01 AM
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28. Right.
The town supervisor is a bully. He thought that people would either enjoy watching him attack this group, or would simply turn their backs. Surprise, surprise.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:51 AM
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29. It is heartbreaking to know about this struggle. USA is still in the dark age...
And disillusionment hurts.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 10:44 AM
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30. I've had a number
of old friends contact me, since seeing an interview our region's largest television station did with me at the close of the meeting. It reminded them of decades ago, when in the same room in the same building, the Sidney Town Board ignored the overwhelming evidence presented by the Haudenosaunee, backed by local citizens, in an effort to protect Sacred Ground.

There is a feeling here that I've fought these wars before. Perhaps it is every generation's duty to engage in this type of on-going struggle between light and darkness.
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 10:51 AM
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31. Thank you, H2O Man, you give me hope and yes, I shall continue
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kgnu_fan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 11:06 AM
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32. K&R
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