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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:31 PM
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How Much Worse Does It Have to Get (Before We Get Off Our Butts and Do Something)?
I had two choices. I could keep this OP short by limiting myself to a rant about how bad things are. Or I could spend a little more time and discuss some ways to make things better.

I picked number 2.


I. The Nation that Did Not Learn From History

Generally accepted fact: Obama and the Democratic Congress were sworn in during the middle of a recession—a recession that began during the watch of the Bush administration, which twiddled its thumbs while the Banksters went hog wild with our money. Thanks to Phil Gramm (and---let’s be honest here---Pres. Bill Clinton, whose veto pen must have been out of ink that day) important Depression era banking legislation was rolled back. The Banksters suddenly had the power to invest our money in the most ridiculously overpriced houses, in unsound businesses, and (even) in wild wagers that their own risky investments would fail. Looking back, those last were probably the only “sensible” bets they placed. Everyone was after a quick paper profit. No one cared what happened next year, because next year they planned to be retired and living it up on an island paradise with their easily earned cash. The rich got richer and the poor got more desperate. Income disparity in this country rivaled the all time high set back in 1928----

Speaking of 1928, what happened the next year? Oh. Yeah. Wall Street went bust. We were warned, dude and dudettes.

“Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
George Santayana




II. Recovery? What Recovery?

Bush got on television and begged the American people to give all their hard earned money to the Banksters. The Democrats did not dare call his bluff. They did not want the Bush Recession to turn into the Democrats’ Recession.

For two years, we have been told to watch and wait. The economy will get back on track, now that the banks have money and credit has been freed up for mortgage holders and small businesses. Small business will create jobs. New housing starts will mean more jobs.

If the Banksters had kept their promise to the American people, we might have emerged from the recession. However, Wall Street never intended to free up credit. Instead, it conspired with the Bush administration to rob the country blind and keep the recession going for two more years so that the press could re-label it the “Democratic Recession”. Their ultimate goal---- return Congress to the control of the Republicans who started the mess in the first place with the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm%E2%80%93Leach%E2%80%93Bliley_Act

The Banksters have used their bailout money for bonuses and to pay off the bad investments of VIP corporations like the Carlyle Group. The rest they have squirreled away to be used as a slush fund to help get the Republicans back in power. See this ABC story about how Wall Street is giving twice as much to Republicans as Democrats.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wall-street-opens-wallet-republican-senate-candidates-upcoming/story?id=11359466

That is our hard earned tax money that is flowing into the GOP coffers.

Oh, by the way, what exactly did we get for our billions (besides a solvent Republican Party)? What kind of “recovery” has “experts” worrying that a “second recession” is about to begin?

“It’s starting to feel like another recession” AP


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38855093/ns/business-eye_on_the_economy

Funny. To me, it feels like the same recession. I have not seen the unemployed called back to work. I have not seen the ranks of the uninsured shrink. I have not seen more folks buying homes, and the foreclosures have not slowed down either. People vacation at home---if they are not too busy slaving at two minimum wage jobs to take time off work. The rich squirrel their money away rather than spending it. People still go to bed hungry in the richest nation of the world----

And yet, AP tells me that the Bush recession ended somewhere between 2008 and 2010. I must have blinked.

III. If We Were Capable of Learning from History, Here Is What We Might Do….

We could…

Put a human face on poverty .

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

Listen up, please, because this is the most important thing of all.

As long as the MSM insists upon scaring the American public with stories about “Mosques” at Ground Zero, crooked (Black) politicians, overpaid teachers and disease ridden immigrants, the poor, the unemployed, the homeless will remain forgotten and their numbers will grow. FDR spoke directly to and about the poor. He hired photographers to capture their images. He made it impossible for the marginally more fortunate to look away. He shattered the myth that only shiftless, lazy people were suffering.



One of Bill Clinton’s final acts in office was a train tour of the country to highlight the plight of the poor. President Obama should get on a train (or bus or plane) tomorrow and tour the country, too. The MSM will have to cover his trip—he is the president. So what if a few Tea Baggers show up along the way? Let the American public hear them jeer a president who is talking about jobs and housing. See how many Americans speak dismissively of the poor, unemployed and sick after they get a chance to look in their eyes and walk in their shoes.

Increase taxes on the rich . Why should we stop at repealing the Bush tax cuts? The last time the nation’s elite were this filthy rich was 1928. One of the (largely symbolic) actions of the FDR Democratic Congress was a bill that raised the taxes of those most able to pay them. If Congress did the same now, for every Koch Family Tea Bagger who complained, ten hard working Americans would cheer. When the GOP exclaims But raising taxes on the rich will plunge us into recession! remind them that tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy are the most inefficient form of government spending designed to stimulate the economy. If you need to cite proof, I have the links in this old Journal Books Not Bombs .

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/440

Slash military spending What is the second most inefficient way to jump start an economy through federal spending? Give your tax dollars to the Pentagon. Our current crop of generals and admirals do everything they can to hand out corporate welfare, because they know that they will be rewarded with high paying private sector jobs when they retire from the military.

Military spending---along with tax cuts for the wealthy---have bankrupted our country. We can not get back all the dollars we have squandered but at least we can stop throwing good money after bad. When I talk about slashing the Pentagon budget, I am not referring to GOP style cost saving measures. You know, taking away the soldiers’ body armor, reducing medical services, depriving them of education opportunities. We need to cut the money that flows into the coffers of the so called Defense Industry which is hard at work producing the next generation of planes, helicopters, submarines and bombs that will never actually get used.

Increase education spending. What is the most efficient way to spend federal money to jump start the economy? Channel more of it into education. See my journal above for links. Education spending does not mean promising local school districts money if they will fire all their teachers with seniority and replace them with temp workers who are paid much less. That is just more corporate welfare, and it actually harms the economy, because teachers who are middle class tax payers and consumers are replaced by lower middle class workers who will pay less taxes and spend less at local stores. Cheap charter schools run by private firms will not buy computers or other equipment which might boost the economy. All their extra money will go into their personal bank accounts.

The federal government needs to help schools hire more qualified teachers, in order to reduce class size and improve learning. The jobs created through sensible education spending provide a boost for the economy by training the next generation of workers, so that the country as a whole becomes more productive. They need to allow local school districts to evaluate the needs of their own students and their own communities and decide where and how they will concentrate their resources. For instance, an area with a large number of obese children who are prone to diabetes (pick any Latino community in Texas) should get points for investing in physical education to keep its (future workers) healthy.

Now that so many people are out of work, kids going to college need more financial aid, not less. Ignore the Tea Baggers who demand that grants be cut. Their own kids are getting government money to go to college. They just don’t want anyone else to share.

Invest in public health. Because our nation has squandered its public health money on “terrorism preparedness”, we are sicker than the folks in Eastern Europe---and paying dearly for the privilege of dying young. All that early death and disability is a drain on the economy. Fewer people pay taxes, more people rely on social programs. In addition to health insurance for everyone, we need to invest a little money in the basics. Like proper nutrition for our school kids. Mass cholesterol screenings. Affordable, easily available birth control along with sensible sex education. We need to clean up our waterways---and make sure that the poor are not eating polluted fish. We need to clean up our air, so that our kids can get outdoors and exercise again.

We have a choice. Spend a few pennies now keeping more Americans at a healthy weight, or spend tens of thousands of dollars down the road paying for hip and knee replacements. The folks who predict doom and gloom for Medicare never seem to consider that disease prevention could keep the program solvent into the 22nd century by cutting costs and keeping more of us working. They act as if God has decreed that we will all have failing hearts, lungs, kidneys and joints shortly after the age of 65—just in time to make HCA a hefty profit.

Public health expenditures can also be used to jump start the economy. Screening programs are labor intensive—that means more jobs. Infrastructure projects (like cleaning up water supplies) also require workers. Since carbon fuel emissions definitely make people sick (whether or not you believe in global warming)
with heart attacks, strokes, asthma and pneumonia, public works projects designed to increase our solar and wind power grids will give the economy a double boost.

Here is a thought. Let’s revive the WPA but this time around call it the WPHA---“ Works Projects for Health Administration .

Reform immigration rules The current system is designed to benefit corporate America. Basically, the state and federal governments “look the other way”, i.e. they fail to enforce immigration laws so that corporations can get serf labor for cheap. Since “illegals” can not call upon the federal government to protect their rights (they have no rights), they are easily exploited. They are paid less than minimum wage, they get no overtime and if they are injured on the job they are shit out of luck. Their presence in the U.S. workforce drives down wages for everyone. That means less tax money flowing into Washington and less spending at the local mall.

Companies that hire undocumented workers should face stiff fines and penalties. No company that hires “illegals” should get a government contract. At the same time, the feds need to increase the number of immigrants who are here legally to do the work that no one born in this country wants to do---like picking fruit or bussing tables or digging ditches. These documented workers will be able to demand a living wage. They will be protected by OSHA. They will pay more taxes and spend more at the local Kroger.

What we absolutely must not do is what Herbert Hoover did. We must not try to blame our current economic problems on immigrants and “send them back home.” For most of them, home is now a chicken plucking factory somewhere in the U.S., and no matter how many times they are sent away, they will come back to the employers who are more than willing to exploit their labor.

Pass the Employee Free Choice Act Some of the most important New Deal legislation was enacted to protect unions. Better paid workers mean more taxes and more local spending (am I starting to sound like a broken record yet?) In the years since the New Deal, Congress and the Feds have attempted to roll back the rights of workers. Reverse that trend. If people feel empowered at their work place, if they are treated like real human beings and not just cogs and wheels, they will have more job satisfaction—which means they will be less eager to go on permanent medical disability


Rein in Medicare Part D, aka the Drug Company Free Federal Money giveaway Inflation is down, but prices continue to soar on medications used by Medicare enrollees. (Socialized) western Europe gets bargains on its domestically made drugs, because their companies can recoup their losses in the U.S. The whole world is getting their drugs cheap thanks to U.S. taxpayers----

As much as I like charity, I think that most of the rest of the world can afford to pay their own medical bills. For those countries that are truly poor, sure, send them federal aid. But do not make Grandma choose between eating and breathing. Do not drive Medicare into bankruptcy so that a bunch of (mostly) foreign drug companies can post record profits. As federal spending to jump start the economy goes, that is the stupidest, most wasteful spending of all. Links in my old journal below.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/430

Do whatever it takes to put folks back in homes Home sales are great for the economy, especially new home sales. That is because the housing industry is a big employer.

The only people benefiting from all the foreclosures are the vulture funds which are snatching up properties at a fraction of their value. Carlyle Group can afford to keep you and your neighbors’ houses empty for three or four years, until the economy turns around. However, unoccupied homes do not help the local bakery or hardware store---and it is small businesses, domestic businesses that are going to get us back to work. The multinationals are sending their jobs to other countries. Speaking of small businesses…

If the Banksters will not loan money to keep small businesses going during these rough times, then the Feds should loan the money. And they should finance these loans by taxing financial institutions. If a bank does not want to pay the Small Business Tax, it can write its own loans to small businesses.

Ignore Big Business when it claims we are moving closer to Godless Communism One of the faults of the New Deal is it did not go far enough. The rich could get their way if they just screamed Communism! Communism! All Americans knew how bad things were in Russia in the 1930s, so the threats were effective. There is no longer a communist Rusia, communist China is our economic partner and communist Cuba has better health care than we do.



All of the above ideas (except for the last one) were stolen from the New Deal. It took FDR a couple of years in office to get things rolling, so I think it is too early to give up on Obama and the Democratic Congress, and anyone who says "Let the GOP run things, they can not be any worse" is probably hoping that this recession is a long and miserable one.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:38 PM
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1. You are talking much too much sense for today's feckless, quaking Democratic party, McCamy
....alas...
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:41 PM
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2. a man, a face

a gentleman I met in Dallas standing in 110 degree weather trying to survive... (he carried a hammer with him for protection)



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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:42 PM
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3. Democrats are mediocre
but the GOP is horrible.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:43 PM
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4. This gentleman is doing a good job of giving poverty a face and voice...

Mark Horvath of http://invisiblepeople.tv/blog/

K&R -- Brilliant post, as always, and much recommended!

:applause:

:hi:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:50 PM
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5. And what *WE* can do....
We can sit around waiting for another FDR to do the right thing, or we can start taking things into our own hands.

Develop downloadable PowerPoint programs that can be presented anywhere.... colleges, community groups, church groups, etc., containing the REAL information about homelessness and hunger in this country.

Develop a program of getting donations to run a series of half- or full-page ads in the NYT with that information.

Develop some billboards.

Put together some informative and catchy billboards for public access TV.

DEMAND that our "progressive" media start publicizing and talking about the REAL facts of homelessness, hunger and poverty.

There are more things we really could do, if only we cared enough to do so.

I saw a suggestion that I liked... putting together a comic book that would appeal to younger young adults.

The possibiliities are endless.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:17 PM
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11. Have you seen this, Bobbie?

I was wondering what you think of this? It seems like a good starting place perhaps, if these lesson plans were implemented in more classrooms?


http://www.tolerance.org/activity/poverty-project

http://www.tolerance.org/activity/compassion-action-and-change

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:38 PM
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14. Good ideas, thank you. DUers who are Sunday school teachers could make use of these.
Also leaders of youth groups... scouts, etc.

Could be adapted for use with adults... more productive than some I've seen.

And, of course... organizing a push to use these in more schools.

The problem is that DU isn't a place for action... very little response.
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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:23 PM
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12. Yes, bobbolink, I wholeheartedly am with you.
We need to all the above and then some to turn Americans hearts and minds back to...dare I say it? What the founders did. Built community, cared for one another (well, except for how we shit on the Indians). I like your ideas. How can we get money to do this?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:41 PM
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15. Thanks! As for your last question... I think we decide on a group project,
"draft" some volunteers, and have a couple of successes under our belts, then we make plans for a bigger project, and post it here.

I *really* appreciate your enthusiasm... I have been in despair because of the lack of response to many things.

What are your intersts? What are your skills?

Would you be open to also having a book study? (Just started an incredible book, and there is another one what would be good for many to get into.)

Let me know... pm me if you'd like!

:yourock:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:25 PM
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19. heh... that was supposed to be "catchy videos for public access TV"
My keyboard is out to get me. :evilgrin:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 06:58 PM
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6. excellent post...
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:04 PM
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7. Yep, that's how it should be done
K&R
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:05 PM
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8. I think for one thing----- and I am not advocating violence
we should let the right know that we know how to fight also. That we are the ones who fought along side Martin Luther King and in Alabama at the schools. We were the ones who drove people to and from the voting booths in the south. And we still know how to stand up to bullies and racist and radical REPUBLICANS AND THAT WE WILL DO IT ALSO.



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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:44 PM
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16. The "fighting" has to be different than in those days.
We are not the same nation... as others have said, in order for passive resistance to work, there has to be an empathetic nation.

We are no longer that.

And, as we know, mass protests no longer work.

We must get creative in our "fight".
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cornflake_31 Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:07 PM
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9. When striking workers are shot.
Like when the Pinkertons and police were used to kill workers asking for safe working conditions, a living wage and a 40 hour work week. Abolishment of child labor. Maybe then people will wake up and see that we have pissed away all that those people died for.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:45 PM
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17. Maybe not. People were more empathetic then.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 10:39 PM
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26. I sometimes think you are right.
We thought people had had enough of bush and co. But one feckless Democrat with less than two years in and they are ready to do bushco again.

Maybe the old world anarchists and nihilists were right. Maybe it has to be bad enough, long enough for everyone to learn permanently. Who would have thought that 8 years wasn't bad enough to do the job?
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 04:30 PM
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39. As an old progressive I think we suck
When I was young there was this pervasive belief that somehow change would come about on its own by being not "them". Even today the words "peaceful protest" make me want to puke.We can sit around a blog each other, but the vast majority of the population remains in deep ignorance. As long as they have complete control of the media and we have squat they will win the war of information. The internet has both hurt and helped, because many people simply do not have the skills to separate the bullshit from reality and it also works for the fascists.
Change will not come without action. We have all seen that the old coalition of the democratic party has been a flop with having to position itself between the neocons and the moderates in order to do business. Quite simply no one in the Democratic Party trusts the support of progressives at the polls and knows that the vast majority of voters are completely ignorant and vote on whims controlled by the media.
Even today most left leaning blogs like DU spend most of their time talking about what the neocons are doing instead of what we are doing.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 11:05 PM
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48. I think of all the folks who gave thier life so we could
have a 40 hr. work week , decent wages, union representation etc.
Then I look around at what has happened in the last 25 yrs. and almost want to cry.
Did they die for nothing ??
Corporations manipulated the greed inside many and the minority trying to stop it ineffectual - it all slipped away so quickly...........gutted to the core
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:12 PM
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10. recommend
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:29 PM
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13. Mt 22:39b You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Communion communism?

Some argue that Republicans really didn't reject Marx, per se. Marx, after all, preached state supremacy. Music to any pol's ear regardless of party.

Republicans simply opposed the labor unions that they associated with Communism.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 07:53 PM
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18. What is being perpetrated on the public is so un-American
that many simply refuse to believe it can be happening here. They hold on to hope that their representatives are good and decent, and therein lies the power of the DLC/GOP to do their dirty work.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:26 PM
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20. Those are good ideas, but...
how do WE accomplish them? Obviously, voting Democrats into the WH and Congress has not gotten the job done. Writing letters and making phone calls has not gotten the job done.

So what else?
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:59 PM
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25. I gave some suggestions in post #15
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 08:31 PM
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21. It doesn't have to get worse.
You just have to take away American Idol and internet porn. People will be in the streets within minutes.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:01 PM
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22. Kicked&Recommended!
:kick:
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:06 PM
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23. You're not gonna get ANY of that with these Dems.
It's not even on their radar. Love the ideas, though. I guess I thought the last round of "getting off my ass" was supposed to do some of this. Silly me!
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-10 09:09 PM
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24. K&R. This is really beautiful. I'd still love my 21st Century FDR.
Edited on Thu Aug-26-10 09:09 PM by Overseas
You say what I want to say.

You show why I had hope for very significant, practical change in this country. The FDR plan just made sense, and we had a great new president coming in who has the capacity to explain, with passion and courtesy, just why our economy had crashed by going too GOP and letting government-haters take too much control of our government. People who disparage the phrase "good government" had been allowed too much control of our economy and crashed it.

People who had a powerful profit motive were allowed to control our national security and ran that into the ground too.

I had the naive dream that a Truth & Reconciliation Commission on Bush Cheney Team war crimes would take the wool off our national eyes across the board. A careful examination of war profiteering, along with disturbing reviews of Abu Ghraib and other practices, could have provided the platform to take a really close look at other moral emergencies.

Including the fate of our planet, overburdened with carbon emissions. Truth & Reconciliation is surely needed there. I'd hoped the green part of the FDR plan could have been in effect before Copenhagen.

But the bullying in Congress seems to be terribly intense. That it could override millions of suffering people and force my democrats to toss out their strongest, most effective solutions before even sitting at the table has been sobering indeed. Some powerful factors are keeping my democrats from doing what works best and letting too much destruction continue.

We gave away too much of our national media. So yes, I would love to see our president put a human face on poverty. And I'd love to see a solid team of Democrats behind him illustrating the erosion of our public services the Bush team had allowed, in order to finance their tax cuts for the already rich. Listing the deferred maintenance the Bush gang left behind, letting our infrastructure decay, rather than hire more government workers. Levees all across this country need help.
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 12:13 AM
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27. Things aren't bad, we made history in 2008!!!
Just look at your Obama t-shirt or Obama collector's plates, they'll make you feel better.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 02:31 AM
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28. K & R
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 02:59 AM
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29. K & R nt
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planetc Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 07:09 AM
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30. What keeps taunting my brain
What keeps taunting me is that more than half the country worked like hell between 2000 and 2004 to elect a Democratic president, and we did. Then Mr. Bush was announced as the winner. Then we worked, and contributed, and were active in electing Mr. Obama, and he was announced as the winner. Then, instead of discussion of a single-payer health plan, we had the single-payer advocates not just not invited to the discussion, but arrested when they appeared without an invitation.

What I am trying to get at here is that all our work, and all our money, and all our moral urgency seem to produce...more of the same. At least at the federal government level, the opinion-sphere seems to belong to the Republican party, which sets the terms of all discussion: death panels, socialized medicine, budget breaking, federal intrusion into our private lives. Obvious economies in health care are ignored--pretended out of existence. And the reasons never have to be explained. We get what someone has decided upon behind closed doors.


The form of government we have is the one we want, or close to it. But the people actually running the country, our elected public SERVANTS, are more afraid of what the MSM will say about them than what the people think of them. If the office holders behaved as though they understood who's actually paying them, we might see some vigorous and prompt action. But we don't. So our tax dollars keep on paying for what we don't want, what is actually hurting most of us.

The question in my mind is how we communicate with those who are taking public money to run the country, how to remind them where their salaries (and benefits) come from. I see some sort of combination of selective boycotts of large corporations (find the nearest credit union and stuff all your money in there), and selective dis-election, perhaps at the primary level. If your Democratic representative is a dud, vote for his primary challenger.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 07:28 AM
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31. Recommend
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 01:16 PM
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32. hmm...
This recession will be a long and miserable ordeal for most US citizens. And, your ideas will be difficult to realize because the folks in power (aka with all the money) don't want the kind of change that will benefit most of us. These hedonists want to KEEP their filthy lucre, AND they want to increase their wealth (and power) regardless of who gets hurt.

On another blog, I decried the semantics of our now unavoidable economic disintegration. Learned economists have gone from "panics" to "depressions" to "recessions," with a convoluted set of parameters required to 'distinguish' recessions from depressions. What horseshit! Regardless of what word we choose to describe our current economic landscape, the situation is beyond bad. Just today, Bernanke conceded that our economic outlook is "uncertain" and that our economy "remains vulnerable to unexpected developments." Sounds to me like he's hedging his bets.

Our now global economy is in deep yogurt. Less than 400 people worldwide own and control better than 45% of the world's resources! And, the rest of the billions of us are so invested in the fallacy that 'we too can be rich, if we just work hard enough and save long enough' that most of us cannot see how detrimental to us all is this giant ponzi scheme.

Despite all of this, I agree that we should not give up. However, I'm not counting on Obama or the Democratic Congress. The change we need will require ALL of us to work together. I hope we're not too late.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 01:32 PM
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33. Bravo!
....Now, if we just had a Political Party that believed in that kind of stuff!
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 02:18 PM
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34. Outstanding.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 02:25 PM
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35. K&R. Those are some great, pragmatic solutions.
:kick:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 02:30 PM
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36. Change will not happen until the last dead ultrarich CEO gets thrown in the grave of Laissez-Faire.
. . . to paraphrase Diderot . . . :evilgrin:

Or maybe it will happen when the first uncaring and shameless CEO is hunted down and butchered by a nothing-to-lose hundred-strong mob of unemployed and foreclosed-upon people. And it goes viral while they chant "Fix it now, or you'll be next!"
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 04:02 PM
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37. Here's my order list...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 04:03 PM by L0oniX
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/L0oniX/58

Good luck with any real change to our corrupt system from either party.
Posted by L0oniX in General Discussion: Presidency
Sat Aug 14th 2010, 11:06 PM

What's needed first is (1) campaign finance reform where corporations are entirely excluded from the political system. Next (2) we must remove person hood from corporations. Then we need to (3) reduce the pentagon budget to something reasonable and comparable to what other countries spend. That would mean voting everyone of the asscarrots out of office that continually vote for more war and pentagon funding. We need (4) to have a law that forbids any congress person and or senator from voting on any issue that has any connection to their stock portfolio. We need (5) a jobs restoration bill that demands a fare and equal trade that reduces the unfair advantage that slave labor gives other countries. We can't continue to have our jobs go over seas for any reason ...and I emphasize "any reason". We have to decide who we care more about ...our own or other countries. IMO we need some nationalism and I don't mean go overboard with this but enough of it to secure our jobs and our financial well being. We need (6) to restore the constitution and prosecute the war crimes of those involved at all levels. WTF people ...why do we stand for this shit where they get to commit crimes and don't pay for it when the little guy gets life in prison for getting caught with an OZ of weed in Texas? I mean what the fuck? There most likely are more steps to be taken. Bring em on.

I think we members of DU could work on these issues and agree to come to a reasonable conclusion as to what really needs to be done and in what order to fix our system. The DU infighting gets us no where and hurts us. At this point politically I can't get behind anyone unless I or we can force them to carry out what they promise and infer that they will do once they gain office. Maybe we need an (7) employment contract with them that gets all the promises down and binding. We can't take the lies anymore from any party. Our country is in a very dangerous position and it's not a joking matter anymore. We really are talking about the end of our US posterity. I'd settle for making an effort to have it be at least as good for the next generations.

I don't believe that DU has the gumption to do this but I throw it out here anyway. I have settled for what Gore Vidal and others have said about our sorry ass situation. I only wish that we wouldn't stand for anymore of this selling us out shit and do something about it instead of playing debate team here. Telling me or others that what they think or what they would do will not work is not constructive "if you don't offer a reasonable solution" in its place. If you have a better idea or better arrangement of the steps needed to fix and or restore our constitution and balance of powers and balance of trade and jobs then speak out. I do think I know this for sure ...unless we remove the corporate owners of our system we are going to be their slaves if we are not already. Are you willing to settle for that?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 04:19 PM
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38. McCamy, what about trade policy?
You don't mention it. And I believe that trade reform is the only way that we can improve the economy.

I am suggesting that we enact a bill requiring that once unemployment is below say 5% and our trade deficit exceeds a certain percentage of our GNP, import taxes are triggered. The triggering could be done on an annual or quarterly basis. Multinational companies would soon figure out that it was in their interest to buy American exports.

I realize this is very difficult for DUers to accept, but Obama is strictly on the side of big business. He talks a lot about the American people, etc. but his policies and his appointments are the evidence that he either lacks the courage of his convictions or could care less.

So far, Obama has not even had the strength to appoint Elizabeth Warren to the new consumer protection agency. Until he does that, I don't think we can expect anything of him.

I agree that we need to put a face on poverty. It has been steadily increasing at a pretty fast rate since Bruce Reed (who now heads the Cat Food Commission) and Clinton "reformed" welfare.

Stop bleeding jobs. End free trade. Bring jobs back to America.
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bobburgster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 04:34 PM
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40. Thank you...
for a well thought out post! I appreciate your taking the time and energy....we do need to get off our butts and change the momentum.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 04:38 PM
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41. I'm not holding my breath for Obama to do something. The time for that has come & gone.
Save a few politicians who really give a damn...it's up to the people to fight for what's just and fair.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 04:51 PM
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42. How do we stop the military from attacking us on their commander's orders?
As soon as that happens, we can get off our butts.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 05:02 PM
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43. How much worse...
I think it has to get bad enough so that enough people have nothing to lose by civil (or uncivil) disobedience.

I don't really know what fraction that has to be, although I suppose history might offer some predictions. Until fairly recently in history, life was pretty cheap. Easy come, easy go. The barrier to violent revolution was consequently pretty low -- like, what did the average joe have to lose? A few generations of economic security, and actual science-based medical care, have changed that somewhat. But we're on our way back to 3rd-world status, and with that comes the possibility of violent revolution again.

:(
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 05:14 PM
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44. We vent our frustrations on the internet while "they" are ripping our guts out. nt
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 05:25 PM
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45. Or we could just trash Social Security.
:sarcasm:

I am not optimistic.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 05:35 PM
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46. Great OP.
I fear the only way to turn this country around is illegal.


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ThomThom Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 05:48 PM
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47. If you raise taxes on the rich they will leave more in their businesses
instead of taking as income. This will force them to create jobs with that money. So higher taxes is the thing to do. Along with jobs programs that put people to work so that they can pay taxes.
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