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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 04:55 PM
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Roma people (Gypsies) face high levels of govt-sponsored scapegoating and even violence in Europe
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On Friday, 26 June, CNN International broadcast a documentary called “Scars of Racism” (videos here, here and here). It told the story of a young Czech Roma (commonly known in the U.S. as a “gypsy”) named Natálka Kudriková and the neo-Nazis who almost burned her to death in an arson attack committed last year in the Czech town of Vitkov. It was a rare look by the international media into the anti-Roma violence that has plagued Central and Eastern Europe since the fall of communism two decades ago.

Violence against Roma has emerged as a leading human rights issue not just in the former Soviet bloc, but also across Europe. The perpetrators are often ideologically driven neo-Nazis, sometimes with ties to established political parties. Other times, they are local vigilantes taking the law into their own hands. In the past five years fatal attacks have been reported from Austria, Belgium, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, France, Hungary, Russia, Slovakia and Turkey. In Italy, six arsons over the last three years have resulted in multiple fatalities, including children.

Gwendolyn Albert is an American living in Prague who consulted with CNN on “Scars of Racism.” A resident of the Czech Republic since 1990, Albert has been reporting on the human rights situation of the Roma minority in Central and Eastern Europe for the past 15 years. She is currently consulting on research in this area for the Council of Europe’s Office of the Human Rights Commissioner and the European Roma Rights Centre. Hatewatch recently spoke with Albert about the rise in far-right violence against Roma, and whether international media attention like CNN’s recent documentary is making a difference.


Anti-Roma violence and racism has been a defining feature of post-communist societies since the early 1990s. Are governments finally getting more serious about tackling it?

No government is doing enough, not in Central and Eastern Europe, and certainly not in Western Europe. This violence is not limited to the former communist bloc. France and Italy are probably the worst places in Western Europe to be Roma right now. Italy has been the most publicized and most discussed case, but France has a number of discriminatory institutions in place that disproportionately impact Roma.



What are the most obnoxious elements of Italian policy?

Starting in 2006, cities across Italy have been adopting “Security Pacts” which give local officials the legal powers to target Roma for removal. These forced evictions of Roma have increased during 2010. The Italian police have been using disproportionate force during their evictions of Roma camps for at least five years. This has all been in response to Bulgaria and Romania acceding to the EU (European Union) in 2007 and the large outflow of Roma from both those countries to the West (migration within the EU is unrestricted).

In 2008, the Italian government declared a “state of emergency with regard to nomad community settlements”—this was a legal action unprecedented in post-WWII Europe, the declaration of a state of emergency with respect to a particular ethnic group. Their presence alone is defined as constituting the emergency and local authorities are empowered to fingerprint and photograph all residents of any “nomad community settlement,” including minors, to expel whom they choose, and to open up new camps and order people to live in them. Freedom of movement — of citizens, human beings, not just money and goods — between EU member states is one of the founding principles of the EU, but not where the Roma are concerned, at least not in Italy or France.



Are there societal shifts occurring with regards to anti-Roma sentiment?

It depends. Here in the Czech Republic, for example, there has been a shift in society recently. The fact that an infant almost died a horrible death in the Vitkov attack generated unprecedented empathy for her and her family. This doesn’t mean the Molotov cocktails have stopped flying, quite the contrary. In one of those attacks, a full-scale criminal investigation apprehended several suspects relatively quickly and there will be a trial. Again, this is an advance; usually law enforcement takes a “no harm, no foul” approach when these attempts are unsuccessful (no larger fire, no injuries) and classifies them as misdemeanors, which means homicide investigators never get involved — and they are the ones with the resources to really track perpetrators down.



What needs to be done?

Generally speaking, Europe first needs to take all forms of violence very seriously and devote resources to reducing its incidence. As for the perpetrators of neo-Nazi violence, the media have a huge role to play. They should investigate and report on who these people are and why they make the choices they do. They should investigate the ties between the various groups and who funds them, and they should investigate whether they are linked to established political parties.


http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/07/06/anti-roma-violence-in-europe-a-qa-with-gwendolyn-albert/
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:02 PM
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1. This is truly frightening. These poor folks have had a horrible time of it.
I used to play in a band with a guy from Romania, and although he can thank the Gyspsy Roma culture for his training in music, he would spit every time he spoke of them. It was pretty scary hearing this guy use terms that were equivalent to "untermenschen" as he talked about Gyspies in Romania.

Needless to say they, along with a few other groups, are the first targets when the economy turns bad, the scapegoats of autocratic leaning regimes.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:04 PM
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2. They have no voice.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:04 PM
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3. They have no voice.
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:04 PM
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4. It is a mistake to think Neo-Nazis in Europe are attacking Gypsies...
Everyone in Europe seems to hate them (and their fellow travelers)

If people could vote on genocide I think Gypsy is the only one that could pass with a clear plurality in Europe.

Everyone seemingly hates the gypsies even European progressives.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:06 PM
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5. You'd think they'd be past that sort of thing
Considering what happened little over half a century ago there.

Truly frightening.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:08 PM
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6. Why ? nt
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SunnySong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:11 PM
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7. Because the problem is the attitude of Europeans as a whole across all political spectrums not a
small radical splinter group.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:14 PM
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8. It's not just Europe
They faced a great deal of prejudice in New England, too, although no outright violence.

Part of it is because of their culture that tells them it's OK to steal and scam because they're such a disadvantaged group. It becomes a vicious circle. They aren't all thieves or scammers, though, as what little contact I had with them showed me.
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:39 PM
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9. My Russian Neighbor
I was talking to my Russian neighbor about a trip to Ukraine that I took. I told her a story about all the begger kids that I saw on the streets. I specifically told her a story about some old lady who was carrying a baby that was pleading for me to give her some money. I didn't pay this woman any mind and continued on my way. This woman was a Gypsy/Roma. My Russian neighbor told me that I was very wise not to look at her because they have "magical powers" to hypnotize.

I was watching some foreign news show were they interviewed an average Spaniard on the streets on his thoughts about Gypsies. I kid you not, he said that they should all be killed. Kind of crazy.

I don't have any interaction with the Roma people, so I have no first hand experience with the Europe's gripe with them. I would love to hear a non-PC explanation.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 05:47 PM
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10. Straight up racism born of generations of a nomadic lifestyle, different language, distrust of
assimilation, which becomes a cycle of ghettoization and isolation.
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 06:02 PM
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11. Yeah
That sounds about right. However, I'd like to know if they have ANY political power or if they have a middle class? Is there any Roma celebrity that champions their cause?
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MattBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 07:00 PM
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14. Cher?
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:29 PM
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15. I don't think so.
I had a bad experience with gypsies when I was in Russia. As a privileged, educated, "aware" liberal, I found it hard to be sympathetic for a while after that. And while I do think there is a lot of knee-jerk racism, it is also hard to be sympathetic when a culture is easily generalized the way theirs is.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 06:43 PM
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12. self-delete
Edited on Tue Jul-06-10 07:24 PM by Codeine
Someone's likely to misconstrue this.
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Brooklyns_Finest Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 06:56 PM
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13. Thanks
I suspect, this is the type of thread that can get locked real quick.

Thanks for your example. I'll do my own research now.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 08:57 PM
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16. Madonna Gypsies Speech Booed in Romania(VIDEO)
Madonna has always been known for provocative performances, but on her latest tour of Europe it's not her sex appeal but her stance against hate and prejudice that is causing controversy.

On this "Sticky and Sweet" tour she has been performing with a trio of Roma Gypsies from Russia, showing solidarity with this ethnic group that is widely discriminated against in Europe (you may remember the hateful attitude towards Gypsies by Borat, sadly this is not only a fictional phenomenon). Apparently the audience on Bucharest, Romania did sit politely for the Roma musical performance, but when Madonna gave a speech decrying the prejudice against this group, the audience started booing the erstwhile Material Girl.

I give Madonna credit for defending the gypsies, even if it was booed. Hopefully in the long run speaking out on this way can move people towards tolerance, even if the immediate reaction is from those who are not ready to change.

http://www.hiphopmusic.com/best_of_youtube/2009/08/madonna_gypsies_speech_booed_in_romaniavideo.html
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 09:44 PM
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17. Older generations in Eastern Europe have their own problems.
I've talked to some, and they point out that under the socialist regimes the Roma were equal: They got the same jobs, went to the same schools, had the same apartment opportunities, etc., etc. However, much of it was for show, because under socialism there is no unemployment, no malingering, no high school drop-outs.

Then as soon as the socialist regimes fell, the employers got rid of the Roma, the Roma suddenly vanished from high schools, the neighbors that hated the housekeeping habits of the Roma, etc., etc. all made for a very bad dynamic. Why? Because the view was that the Roma were bad workers, bad students, bad neighbors. Unfortunately, the only evidence I have against that is, "But everybody's the same."

I saw where some lived. It was ridiculous. I have the same response to them I have towards some of my neighbors: It costs nothing to pick up the trash in your yard or to tell your kids not to treat your yard--and those of your neighbors--as a trash bin.
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KonaKane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 09:51 PM
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19. Are you suggesting non-Gypsies never live in trashy yards?
Tell me you are not suggesting that. Because, my friend, let me take you by the hand through much of the trailor park country in my own nation.....
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-10 09:47 PM
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18. Really? Racism against Gypsies?
This is surprising? Do you even know any europeans?
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:26 PM
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20. ..
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Sen. Walter Sobchak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-11-10 03:57 PM
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21. my encounters with gypsies in Europe don't leave me with an outpouring of compassion
The dudes who smashed a hole in the wall of one of our offices and then tossed half a dozen kids through the said hole to grab everything in sight were particularly sympathy inspiring. Especially since they left one of the kids behind with a broken leg.
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