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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:54 AM Original message |
Teacher Emphasizes Old-Fashioned Etiquette |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. those poor helpless girls, no value at all without boys to cater to them lol nt |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
59. I taught courtesy too. I would not acknowledge a kid who didn't use |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. institutionalized sexism n/t |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. that was fast |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. I really don't understand your comment |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Courtesy & respect are not sexism nt |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. exactly. so they shouldn't be taught in a sexist manner |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. You're the one calling it sexist, not me |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 07:22 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. lol |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 10:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. You read sexism into that because you see women as victims |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 01:23 AM Response to Reply #78 |
91. Bullshit |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 07:28 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. It doesn't teach girls they are dependent on men |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 07:36 AM Response to Reply #78 |
123. Those paternalistic rituals are exactly the opposite of respectful. |
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OregonBi (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:08 AM Response to Reply #78 |
129. Exactly! |
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OregonBi (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 04:04 AM Response to Reply #61 |
128. Last time I checked... |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
74. "Elitist" and "condescending"? Really?! Really???!!! In what way? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. "if you are unaware of the long line of thinking on the issue of paternalism |
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lib_wit_it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 01:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
89. Well, that's one hyperventilating, sensationalistic way to interpret what the poster was saying. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 01:14 AM Response to Reply #79 |
90. lol!!! |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 07:30 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Equating courtesy & respect to sexism is not rational nt |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #99 |
113. do you have a problem with comprehension? |
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Threedifferentones (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #56 |
114. Please and thank you are good |
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OregonBi (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 03:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
127. Really? Common decency and good manners are bad? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-24-10 07:39 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. i bet you are ugly? then lecture on being respectful of others? wow. nt |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
3. Must old fashioned etiquette automatically be sexist? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. exactly. it's entirely possible to teach etiquette without embedding |
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shiriko32 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. I completely agree! |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Welcome to DU. |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #26 |
70. Welcome to DU |
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JJM (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Must old fashioned Etiquette be automatically sexist |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:57 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Being nice does count. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 06:07 AM Response to Reply #57 |
96. That is true |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yuk. I would object to this if it were happening in MY kid's public school. |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. This is a charter school |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. I'm not against civility and repect - I prefer respect for women compared to locker room talk |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. Ugh. |
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prairierose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Yes, that is exactly what I was feeling but you expressed ... |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. But that wouldn't be old-fashioned, would it? |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. LOL. Well put. |
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Greybnk48 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
9. Ahh, chivalry. Defined in part as "a willingness to help the weak." |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
12. ok-maybe I'm old-fashioned |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. What you've taught your sons is very common in... |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. maybe because I was raised in an Italian household-very traditional. |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
43. possible... |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. my sons and I also open doors for people |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 03:32 AM Response to Reply #12 |
95. Depends. What did you teach your daughters? (nm) |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #95 |
109. I have a son and a daughter, they were both taught the same. I think it's called respect. :) |
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Tailormyst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 07:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
100. I have also taught my sons the same |
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Maru Kitteh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
17. One can easily encourage respect and good manners WITHOUT sexism. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
18. I believe in good manners and have taught my sons, but to me this is definitely |
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justanaverageguy (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 09:48 AM Response to Reply #18 |
107. It's really not or |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
19. i used to have those classes in the 50`s |
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pokerfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. George Washington's Rules of Civility & Decent Behaviour In Company and Conversation |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 07:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
102. number 41 |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
21. I think it's cool |
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shiriko32 (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. I don't |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I have a stepson. |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Teaching kids to be respectful to each other |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #27 |
92. I think that a basic lesson in civility carries over to other spheres |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. I say bravo, too |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. I also say bravo. n/t |
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Arkana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
22. What is this, Victorian England? |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. yeah, I have the vapours already! |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Apparently not, according to the article. Although, I'd like more information on what "treating |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
23. I don't get the problem with this. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. How does it actually HELP women to "pull out their chairs" or stand up when they walk into a room? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Yes, because slamming doors in a women's face is SOOO anti-sexist! |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. False Dichotomy much? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Yeah, I love showing how liberated I am |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Shouldn't a woman be taught to open a door for a man? |
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StandardEE (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
25. I definitely agree that teaching manners is a good thing and more teachers |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
30. After riding the DC Metro too many times and seeing teenaged boys sit obliviously while 90-year old |
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MattBaggins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. Perhaps a different light |
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Number23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. You think it's sexism, I'm a woman and I don't. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
85. No, the girls should be taught to defer to their elders as well. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Unless it is a 90 year old man. |
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Ratty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
50. Basic civility needs to be taught early nowdays (but without the corny, insulting sexism) |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
33. Is anybody else here reminded of ... |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
81. Absolutely. nt |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
34. Does that include not putting remote-activated cameras in other people's houses? nt |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
46. This is good. I was taught manners growing up. It helps. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:37 PM Response to Reply #46 |
86. My brother used to be sent to his room for refusing to put his napkin in his lap. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
47. For godsakes...so what does this 50's style teacher do with the |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
54. This is a short article |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. jesus would teach sexism? |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I believe you missed my point |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. or maybe not |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You may have the last word :) |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. No use arguing with people that think good manners are un-PC. |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
75. And if you hold the door for me |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 11:00 AM Response to Reply #67 |
111. Good manners and basic respect are essentially what PC is. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 08:58 AM Response to Reply #54 |
104. Jesus would happily allow the women to wash his feet with their HAIR. |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 09:26 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. You are talking about |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 09:28 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Hey, you asked WWJD, not me. n/t |
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Caretha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 08:43 PM Response to Reply #106 |
120. No |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #120 |
124. You said "I think..." |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
55. Somebody here said, "How does this help women?" I think it helps men more than females. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 08:13 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Having a go at explaining the problem |
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AsahinaKimi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. +! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 08:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Bingo! |
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maynard (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #55 |
77. It does help women |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
64. Kids should be expected, and even required, to treat other people with respect |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. thank you |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 08:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. You can do that without going back to the Middle Ages |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
121. I agree |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
72. I avoid the argument by just being rude to everybody. |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
73. Men opening a door for women in the south is common practice. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
88. I live in Texas and I don't see much of that |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 07:20 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. i do. but then it is equally gender door holding up. but lots of men hold door for women |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #88 |
112. I don't know. It is common practice in the places in MS where I've lived. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 05:48 AM Response to Reply #112 |
122. that would not make up for having to live in MS |
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Shell Beau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-23-10 10:30 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. I happen to love MS. I guess it isn't for everyone. |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
116. I don't object when a man holds the door open for me |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:49 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. when a man offers to carry a heavy, awkward suitcase for me, i say... thank you |
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Missy Vixen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:57 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I guess I didn't get the memo re: "good manners" now equals "antifeminist" |
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KonaKane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
76. The way to show respect to women.... |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Amen on your number 5. |
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Lilith Velkor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 10:38 AM Response to Reply #84 |
110. Oddly enough, they don't get pissy when you punch them in the face |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 07:49 AM Response to Reply #76 |
101. and as long as following those rules, then free to objectify, dehumanize, and see them as things to |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
80. Geez. I guess they can either hold the doors open for us or slam them in our faces |
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Tim01 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
82. Good. nt |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
83. I've noticed a resurgence in gentlemanly behavior in NYC since 9/11. |
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dustbunnie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #83 |
115. I noticed it too! :-) |
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HillWilliam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-21-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
87. I remember the signs in the buses in Germany 30 years ago |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
93. the problem with the supportive responses on this thread |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
94. He's only addressing one side, if that, of etiquette |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-22-10 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
103. Table manners next. And don't forget the part about |
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108. My husband would have driven this teacher into insanity |
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118. No big whopdeedo at all. It's nice that the kids are learning how it was once done. |
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126. "Are you holding that door open for me just because I'm a woman?" |
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