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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:55 PM
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HEY... DU !!! - Oregon TAXED THE RICH To Save Education Last Night !!!
And this should be a template for the rest of the country. If this thing were to catch on, it would give the Washington Wimps a thing or two to think about, might even grow 'em a spine.

I've been watching MCNBC all morning and have seen NO MENTION of this vote. (Maybe I was in the bathroom.) ;)

Maybe they'll get to it eventually, but you'd think such a revolutionary vote (specially in these times) would have been worthy of some pundit discussion.

We need to give this a much bigger profile!

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Voters in Oregon OK tax hikes for some
Corporations and wealthy families are targeted to help ease the state's budget crisis.
By Kim Murphy - LA Times
January 27, 2010


<snip>

Facing a budget crunch that threatened to close schools early, lay off teachers and slash healthcare benefits, Oregon voters ended two decades of tax scrimping Tuesday by approving higher taxes on corporations and wealthy families.

The two ballot measures passed handily in a referendum watched closely around the country as a signal of whether voters are ready to approve targeted tax hikes to bail out cash-starved state treasuries.

Oregon voters since 1990 have limited property taxes, rejected sales taxes and vetoed across-the-board income taxes. But with 87% of the ballots counted, the measure to raise income taxes on households earning more than $250,000 a year, and individuals earning more than $125,000, was winning with 54.1%. A second measure to raise the state's corporate income tax was ahead with 53.6%.

Business leaders had fought the measures, arguing that they would drive away entrepreneurs and force struggling businesses to slash jobs.

The two measures would raise more than $700 million to help close a gap in the state budget that at one point reached $4 billion.

Kevin Looper, who ran the campaign to pass the measures, said the vote was a signal that predictions of a general conservative retrenchment following the Republican victory in this month's Senate race in Massachusetts were premature.

"I think this is firmly a progressive, populist moment. It just takes leaders to stand up and say what we're about, and make sure things are clear to voters," he said. "Because when the choice gets made clear like that, voters will almost always make the right decision."

Looper said the credit goes to Democratic leaders in the Legislature, who passed the tax increases against nearly unanimous Republican opposition.

"It was an amazingly courageous thing for the Legislature to say, 'We're going to both protect schools and make a case for tax fairness by keeping the burden off middle-class families,' " he said.

Opponents gathered signatures to force the referendum.


Supporters, backed by public employee unions, raised $6.8 million, compared with $4.6 million by opponents who relied on the banking industry and business groups. Final financial reports have yet to be filed.

"The biggest issue is we were substantially outspent by the public employee unions. They were able to double, and more than that, the money we were spending on the broadcast media, and were able to get that much more of their message out," said Pat McCormick, spokesman for Oregonians Against Job-Killing Taxes.

<snip>

Link: http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-oregon-tax27-2010jan27,0,3341290.story

:bounce::woohoo::bounce:

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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 12:57 PM
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1. So crazy, it just might work!
:think:
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:01 PM
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2. This is a big victory, but the tax increase is very miniscule.
All the whiners out there claiming that businesses and the wealthy will now leave Oregon have missed the reality boat.

Oregon does not have restrictive taxes. That is a perception that does not match reality.

In the '90s, I worked for a business publication company, and I had to read most of the nation's business magazines. For several years, Oregon's businesses rated it as being very business friendly, especially for small businesses, and Portland was singled out as being a great for a small business. Then the PBA decided they wanted an even better deal, and they began pushing propaganda about how Portland was not business friendly. Despite no tax increases and no policy changes, suddenly those magazines were no longer rating Portland and Oregon as business friendly, largely because the businesses had motive to change perception. Propaganda is successful, but, at least in this case, it's BS.

Some actual data can be found here where Oregon is rated as the 14th "best" state for business tax climate:... See More

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/topic/52.html

This five-year-old study also shows Oregon's business tax burden as being very low:

http://www.ocpp.org/cgi-bin/display.cgi?page=issue040123

And another piece on the matter:

http://www.blueoregon.com/2009/03/oregon-business-taxes-were-number-2-lowest.html

And one more:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpolitics/2008/08/oregon_state_and_local_tax_bur.html

I say it's time to drop the propaganda of the campaign, and look at the reality of the situation. The following piece does a mildly fair job of doing just that.

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2010/01/measures_66_and_67_weighing_th.html
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:11 PM
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7. Thanks For The Info... And It May Be Relatively Miniscule, But... It's A Start !!!
:hi:
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:13 PM
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18. Indeed.
:toast:
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whattheidonot Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:26 PM
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9. businesses.
do businesses really want uneducated people on low wages to be their community? What kind of a labor force is this going to leave them? They want to control education to the point that what you learn you learn at the corporation. just get by , be happy, and stay law abiding while your life sucks.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:45 AM
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81. small but important.... this is CLASS WARFARE, and ===> TOP OR BOTTOM--->
IT IS TIME FOR THE PEOPLE ON THE BOTTOM 90% OF THE PYRAMID TO ADDRESS THE PEOPLE ON THE TOP 10%

---------------- hint..... all of those politicians you see on TV..... TOP
-------------------------- all of those TV talking heads.............. TOP
-------------------------- all the TV evangilists..................... TOP
-------------------------- all of the radio RUSH etc.................. TOP

-------------------------- me......................................... BOTTOM
-------------------------- you........................................ PROBABLY BOTTOM
-------------------------- all the NRA except for the shills.......... BOTTOM
-------------------------- most of the people you ever met............ BOTTOM
-------------------------- almost everyone who works for a living..... BOTTOM
-------------------------- most members of labor unions............... BOTTOM
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:02 PM
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3. kick
nt
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:06 PM
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4. Awesome! Kicked, recommended!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:09 PM
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5. Let's get a 100+ recs on this thread!!!
:woohoo:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:13 PM
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8. And Spread It Far And Wide !!!
:woohoo:

:hi:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:46 PM
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11. sorry, we cannot do that
it doesn't bash Democrats.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:49 PM
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12. Oy Vey...
:facepalm:

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:29 PM
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20. More accurately, it doesn't bash President Obama.
There.

I said it.

Because it is true.

:toast:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:38 PM
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21. well DU hates Pelosi and Reid too
and Mikey was all inclusive for 362 votes. So that includes Baldwin and Feingold, Kind, Harkin, Boxer, Durbin, Byrd, Dorgan, Dodd (forgotten is the two times he lead a fillibuster on the FISA bill), Weiner, Whitehouse, Sheldon Brown, Franken, etc., etc.,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7574062&mesg_id=7574062
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:59 AM
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83. The democrats in Washington don't have the balls to do what Oregon did
That's why they get bashed. I congratulate the dems in Oregon for doing what the gutless, spineless dems in Washington should be doing.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:10 PM
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6. GREAT news. nt
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:34 PM
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10. Oregon Voter Booths... Gotta Love It !!!

Election worker Kevin Fitzgerald stands by as motorists drop off ballots in Portland, Ore.
(Don Ryan / Associated Press / January 26, 2010)

:D

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lmrgreen Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:01 PM
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33. Oh Yeah! I love being an Oregonian
Yes, we did it! We raised taxes not only on the "rich" but on corporations. Not much but enough for now to help us save our infrastructure. And that image of our "voter booths" - it gets even better. I dropped my ballot off last night my local library annex (walked there) at 7:30PM - no line, no hanging chads, no diebold machine. Just me and my ballot that I had several weeks to consider and complete in the privacy of my own home.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:05 PM
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34. Welcome To DU, lmrgreen !!!
:bounce::party::bounce:

Glad ta have ya aboard!

And thanks for gettin it done up there.

:woohoo:

:hi:
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WheelWalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:57 PM
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60. welcome to DU, imrgreen !
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FailureToCommunicate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:00 PM
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47. So just a minute. You don't have to wait in longs lines, mingle with- yuck- hoi polloi to vote?
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 08:46 PM by FailureToCommunicate
And parking, weather, and buildings are not a factor?!? WTF?
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condoleeza Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:44 PM
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49. Don't tell anyone...
Oregon is one of the fastest growing states already. We kind of like it the way it is now. We were proud to vote FOR these tax measures, even though it will raise MY taxes as a business owner. I'm just proud to know that so many other Oregonians have a brain. Fair is fair.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:52 PM
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13. Mail in ballots for all
Nationwide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps thank allah we got it passed.
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Eyerish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:53 PM
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14. K&R
Things like this need to see the light of day in the Media!
Go Oregon!! :bounce:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:58 PM
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15. You Are Absolutely Correct !!!
I know today is all about tonight's SOTU, but this vote has implications even for that.

Hoping Ed, Keith, or Rachel bring it up at some point tonight.

Meanwhile... we can spread it around, no?

:hi:
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:07 PM
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16. Victory over the fascist killer pigs!
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:09 PM
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17. I hope Ohio can follow suit...
We are in big trouble here in Ohio, and the budget deficit predictions are nightmarish. Maybe Strickland can get a similar ball rolling for us here. Unfortunately, the conservatives here will never let it happen, once again, cutting off their nose to spite their own bloated faces.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 02:24 PM
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19. California Too !!! - Takes 2/3 Majority To Raise Taxes/Fix Budget...
So only a few rightwing fuckwad Republicans can hold the entire state and process hostage.

But...

We have a new proposition heading to the voters.

**************************************************************************


December 11, 2009
Ballot intiative aims to end two-thirds budget vote rule

'Tis the season to be collecting signatures.

A ballot measure that would change the two-thirds legislative vote requirement to pass a state budget to a simple majority has entered the circulation phase. Here's the official title and summary:

CHANGES LEGISLATIVE VOTE REQUIREMENT TO PASS A BUDGET FROM TWO-THIRDS TO A SIMPLE MAJORITY. RETAINS TWO-THIRDS VOTE REQUIREMENT FOR TAXES. INITIATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT. Changes the legislative vote requirement necessary to pass the state budget from two-thirds to a simple majority. Provides that if the Legislature fails to pass a budget bill by June 15, all members of the Legislature will permanently forfeit any reimbursement for salary and expenses for every day until the day the Legislature passes a budget bill. Summary of estimate by Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and local government: Unknown changes in the content of the state budget from lowering the legislative vote requirement for passage. Fiscal impact would depend on the composition and actions of future Legislatures. Minor reduction in state costs related to compensation of legislators in years when the budget bill is passed after June 15.


The proponents, James C. Harrison and Thomas A. Willis, are partners at Remcho, Johansen & Purcell, which has long represented Democratic politicians and causes. The firm's Web site, which you can view by clicking here, says,

For over 20 years, Remcho, Johansen & Purcell has specialized in election law, campaign finance advice, public policy, and constitutional litigation. The firm has extensive litigation experience in fields ranging from education law to the initiative process. In addition, the firm has advised elected officials, candidates, organizations, and individuals involved in the political process.


The measure needs signatures from at least 694,354 registered voters to qualify it for the November 2010 ballot. The deadline for collecting the signatures is May 10.

The Secretary of State this week approved two other ballot initiatives of particular interest to state workers. Those measures, which we reported in this blog post, would change the state constitution and state law regarding public employee political funding.

<snip>

Link: http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/the_state_worker/2009/12/ballot-intiative-aims-to-end-t.html

:shrug:

:hi:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:25 AM
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73. Don't we wish.
Boehner's megaphone is going full time and the GOP machine is ramped up. Strickland will be accused of being a "tax and spend liberal" anyway so getting revenue from the only source left appeals to me.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:00 PM
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22. Kick !!!
:kick:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:07 PM
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23. Recommend
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:48 PM
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24. K&R
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:19 PM
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25. K&R
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:22 PM
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26. Maybe we could do that in California
Prop 13 has been long overdue for a repeal
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 11:03 PM
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61. There's a lesson or two about how it could have been better
I voted yes, read the voter's pamphlet, googled specific questions online and so forth. Most of the immediately available information on the measures from both sides was slanted, though of course most of the outright lies came from the right.

One thing that would have been very bad if it didn't pass was that the corporate taxes were very poorly explained. I know several small businesspeople and no one had a good idea how it was going to impact them; I spent some time online to finally find the .1% of gross figure, rather than the 1% that was generally thought.

The second problem, and one that I never found a good answer for, is exactly why the tax was necessary. Of course it will go where it says and that's a good thing, but the opposition had plenty of ammunition about out-of-control state spending. Why did the Oregon state budget go up so much? I don't know, and time online got me nowhere. I expect this to be a battle we won, but I just hope the governor has more support in Portland than he does in my area.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:34 AM
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67. Oregon is spending tons of money
On unemployment claims. Once the economy picks back up with well educated people, making lots of money, and paying their fair share of taxes, they'll get their budget back in order.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:14 AM
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69. Ballot Measure 8 from the 90's (I lived there at the time) pretty much wiped out education
Quid pro quo...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:46 PM
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27. "Trickle-up economics!"
Tax the rich and the middle and working classes will show their support by having smiles and praise "trickle up" to the rich!

What rich person wouldn't want to know how much their participation was appreciated! :D

("Trickle-down" certainly didn't work...)
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adamuu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:53 PM
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28. That's a great cartoon in your signature. n/t
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:55 PM
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29. GOP is a Cargo Cult of OCD Wealth Hoarders, they believe that wealth is the Measure of God’s favor
of a man, therefore it is a sin to tax a Rich Man/Corporation. the poor are being punished by God, therefore it is a sin to help them. and they use Mafia tactics to enforce their ideology to keep the money/power coming.

Psychotic Oligarchs think anything they do to horde more wealth is ordained by God, anyone they hurt deserves it..

the GOP is a Psychotic Cult.. their ideology Kills People, men women children in their quest to Horde more and more needless wealth and power.. thru supporting industry for campaign contributions.. 48,000 because of the insurance companies 450,000 by tobacco, this is Fascism at its worst.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 05:57 PM
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30. K&R
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:02 PM
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31. Wow! Taking money from the people who need it least. What a concept! nt
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 06:02 PM
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32. KNR
:kick:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:06 PM
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35. Duck and cover!
REPUBLICAN TAXOPHOBIA ATTACK IMMINENT!!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:11 PM
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36. It can be done elsewhere. Take heart and move out, fellow DU'ers.
Your representatives do not have the capitol or the courage to take this on.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:18 PM
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37. How nice.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:27 AM
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74. Is that a snark?
It looks to me like a snarky response from a right wing corporatist Democrat.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:21 PM
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38. I heard this early this evening on Public radio.
First good news I've heard in a long time. Nice when the voting public demonstrates some fiscal responsibility.
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merkins Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:30 PM
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39. Lets hope the State pols don't squander it
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 07:34 PM by merkins
I agree and voted yes on the measures..just worried its a just another ball of dope for the politicians to smoke up and do business as usual...

of course someone has to rain on the party:

Oregon's Death Spiral; Business Owners Say "I'm moving out"
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:21 PM
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84. Absurd hyperbole
Oregon has far lower corporate and general business taxes than its neighbors Washington and California, the most likely places an Oregon business would relocate to. In fact, Oregon's corporate tax rates AFTER the vote will still be in the very bottom 1/3 of all states. Any business pulling out of Oregon because of the taxes has an idiot for a financial officer.

Listen to the GOP and you'll find that every state has the highest taxes in the country.

As far as government budgets increasing over the past few years, duh. When the Feds slash programs and implement programs without funding (NCLB) what do you expect. The GOP/anti-taxers also fail to account for inflation or for population growth. The fact is that Oregon's government has been cut to the bone over the years. What was once a semi-progressive taxation schedule had become corrosively regressive with the percentage of corporate contribution dropping steadily for more than a generation. About time we did a little to reverse the trend.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:31 PM
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40. This was fantastic news. Grow a spine, Dems!
People are sick and tired of catering to the rich and powerful. The teabaggers feel the same, but have been coopted by their own racism and (of course) the rich and powerful. This is thrilling news, and Oregon is on my OK-I-can-move-there list.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:44 PM
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43. Bye. n/t
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 11:10 PM
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62. ???
Not likely, since I've been here eight years.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 11:29 PM
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64. Referring to your move to Oregon. n/t
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 06:32 PM
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86. Apologies!!
DU has been rather feisty lately. Overly defensive here!

Oregon would be great, but I'm born and bred Great Lakes. Back to Michigan for me! Me and Michael Moore up in Traverse City. That's my retirement goal.

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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:39 PM
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41. Way to go, southern neighbors
There was some talk of doing just this here in Washington State last year, but the weasel politicians were too afraid Bill Gates would leave Seattle.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:44 PM
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42. Oregon is the Best!
Spent some time last night reading the comments in The Oregonian...some of the losers
are such a bunch of babies, posting they're going to leave the state and take their jobs
with them. The overwhelming responses told them, not to let the door hit them in the ass.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:57 PM
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46. The funny thing is that we are still one of the lowest taxed states.
I think they figured there are a few states in the south they can move to to pay less. But i would encourage them to leave and any of you DU's are welcome here. We really need you here out in Eastern Oregon. It is a beautiful place to live if you have a portable job (right now kind of low on jobs).

http://www.eova.com/
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:17 PM
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51. Exactly!
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:47 PM
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44. We live out in Eastern Oregon and the Americans for Prosperity were
running the campaign against the tax increase and you should have seen the tea baggers that came out for the town hall meeting. They were literally the same group who came out against health care reform last summer. It was sad to see so many people against something that would help our community so much (and help most of them). The Americans for prosperity were there in their suits and several of there speakers were from the west side of the state. They put on quite the show. We are one of the 130 people(or was it families) who will be effected by the tax increases over here and we were very much for it (everyone needs to help out in hard times!). I think there was an estimate that the roll over cost for everyone else (because those who had their taxes increased would supposedly charge more for their products) was about 5-20 cents for every $50 spent. If they bring their own bags to the grocery store that will save that money!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:50 PM
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45. Thanks For The Report !!! - And Your Vote !!!
Good info.

:hi:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 08:10 PM
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48. Wow! Thank You Oregon!
Let that be a model for the rest of us!:)
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:16 PM
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50. They'll probably just move away to avoid paying taxes
Like the Cons say. :sarcasm:
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:47 PM
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56. It's really easy to do that
as long as you don't work in Oregon. You can move to Washington State, and as long as you work there and live there, you don't pay any income tax. Of course, you go to Oregon to buy stuff with no sales taxes.

I look for Clark County, Washington, to see a growth spurt for the next several years. It's just across the Columbia River from Portland.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:25 PM
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52. Congratulations. Here in Colorado they are proposing taxing basic food.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:30 PM
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53. Somehow this "tax the rich" meme needs to be debunked.
The rich act as if they are getting a bigger burden than the rest of us but the truth is they pay the exact same tax rate as everyone else on the same amount of income. In a progressive tax system, only the higher portions of income get taxed at higher rates. So they don't have a bigger tax burden than anyone else, they just pay a higher rate on the amount of income that exceeds the others. But they are still bringing in more income.

Add that to the fact that in this screwed up world we live in that they effectively created nothing for the additional money they earned, I see no problem with it.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:44 PM
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54. Two "yes" votes came from our house.
I love how the rightwing paints it as us "pitting the haves against the have-nots." Of course it's okay to screw over the have-nots time and time again, but gawd-jebus forbid that the wealthy are asked to pay their fair share.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:45 PM
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55. Nice . . . . good idea -- let's go!!
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:07 PM
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57. Oregon knows who should be shouldering this burden.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:29 PM
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58. Let it spread nationwide
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:53 PM
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59. Voters? Hmm, either a lot of lower/middle class voters showed up or rich Oregonians are willing
I'll find some voter stats if I can; maybe the state tracks income?

We'll see what this leads to. I live in California, and you and I probably know what that darn Proposition 13 from 1978 did to our public schools!

Oh yeah, and rich Germans also like paying taxes too.
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-29-10 02:16 PM
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87. Yes, Oregon tracks demographics
There isn't direct voter response-income demographics, but overwhelmingly (4 of the 6 richest precincts)the most likely to be affected voters said yes to the taxes. Ironically, the "poor" areas mostly went against it. If this was class warfare, then it was the lower classes attacking themselves while the upper classes were busy bombing their own.

Obviously it wasn't about class, but education did play a huge role. Those who make more money typically have the better education and are probably more sympathetic to funding education. Enough of the lower income people "got" the fact that their taxes weren't going up to carry the vote easily.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 11:12 PM
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63. Attention, Dems: THIS is what Massachusetts REALLY wanted. But it wasn't on the ballot.
So they settled for fake populism as opposed to the genuine elitism that was their only other choice.

"Our" DC Dems better get that through their thick. fucking. skulls.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 11:31 PM
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65. Word...
Yep

:shrug:
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TrollBuster9090 Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:11 AM
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66. That's great news, but
That's great news, but I honestly can't believe it's "NEWS." Have we really fallen this far backwards as a country? Back into another gilded age?

I'm old enough to remember when the wealthy paid more for the maintenance of the country, long before Proposition 13 in California, long before the Laffer curve, VooDoo Economics, the trickle-down theory, and all the other Orwellian catch-phrases crafted to disguise a naked attempt to soak the poor.

I remember when the wealthy paid more, and how shocked I was when I heard Ronald Reagan proposed a FLAT tax rate during a speech in the early 80s. He quickly back peddled because the idea that the super wealthy should NOT pay a little more than the poor and working classes sounded radical to the extreme. It was a FRINGE suggestion. If you'd told me that some day the wealthy would actually have a LOWER tax rate than the poor and middle class (via capital gains vs. payroll taxes) and that Warren Buffet would pay a lower tax rate than the woman who cleans his toilets, I wouldn't have believed you.

It just goes to show that once progress has been achieved in civilization, there is no divine guarantee that it won't be reversed. We can fall backwards so easily. Once progress has been achieved, it takes constant effort to maintain. It's much more fragile than it appears. Let's try not to forget that next time around. Progress takes work to maintain, as well as to achieve.
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BluDemocratGirl Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:00 AM
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68. You go, Oregon!
This governor of my state needs to go. He keeps slashing every budget, including education, He's trying to MERGE our public HBCU's and worst: HIKING UP THE SCHOOLS' TUITIONS!!!
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:26 AM
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70. We need to do that here in California
x( our district is having to cut 30 million for the next fiscal year .
5 years straight we face cuts .. pretty soon it'll be me that's laid off
if this continues .
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:35 AM
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71. Remember these two words: "Tax Fairness"
This is how they framed this campaign and it's exactly what the message needed to be. It's about fairness, and the rich have not been paying their fair share. Now, at least in one state, they will.

Tax Fairness needs to be the way this is framed everywhere. And for those of us north of the Columbia River, it's what we should use against Tim Eyman's serial bullshit ballot measures.
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lib_wit_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:25 AM
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72. Get back the money Bush took from us and gave to them!
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 05:49 AM
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75. I love when logic and common sense win!
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spicegal Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 06:00 AM
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76. Way to go Oregon!! Congrats for having the courage to do the right thing.
When will Americans finally wake up from the influence of 30 years of right wing propaganda, for the sake of the country and their fellow country men? Maybe the Oregon decision is the beginning. It astounding the way in with the right wing elite have convinced their following that the rich are entitled, and that nothing should get in the way of their right to be greedy and rich, nothing. And the lowly less fortunate right wingers will defend their rich brethren to the death.
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NoFace Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 06:09 AM
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77. What spicegal said. :)
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 06:48 AM
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78. Bravo Oregon!
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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:50 AM
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79. And THAT's how "trickle down" works! nt
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 10:24 AM
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80. I am late to the party, If taxes were so effing important in deciding
where to site a business North and South Dakota would be among the biggest states in the union.
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:57 AM
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82. K&R
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:34 PM
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85. When is Obama going to raise taxes on the wealthy?
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