Hannity's show- "Palin is threatening because she is beautful and has a family...new feminist"

[Beaverhausen]

I had to check in to Faux last night and could only stomach a minute or two of the fill-in Hannity host (some blonde I'd never seen before) discussing Palin.

She asked a black female panelist "Why is Sarah so threatening?"
The answer was "She is beautiful, she has a family, a husband who supports her..."
Then the male panelist said "she is a new feminist, and the older feminists don't like it."

It was all I could stand. Did anyone else catch this?

This is what repukes think about her and why we don't like her.

Are they truly that out of touch?

[Xipe Totec]

1. Sarah Palin is a Titanic figure in Republican politics n/t

[sakabatou]

14. And then she saw and hit an iceberg

[Xipe Totec]

16. Does it really have to be spelled out?

:evilgrin:

[sakabatou]

18. LOL

I'm an aspie, it's hard not to.

[Xipe Totec]

21. I'm glad you got the message!

That's the important point.

:hi:

[Odin2005]

54. LOL, this Aspie thought the same thing!

:rofl:

[snake in the grass]

144. They are really hopeless.

I don't really see how one can reason with them.

[YOY]

2. "she is a new feminist, and the older feminists don't like it."

Yeah...I'd turn it off at that point too.

Sweet Jebus Cripes. It's like they try and redefine everything to fit some kind of insult pattern.

THey made Liberal a dirty word. Socialism was easy. Feminist too. As tough as that was...so they put a spin and say that the quintessential anti-feminist is a "new feminist".

If Todd was a good father...then his daughter would not only have better taste in men but a little more self respect.

[omega minimo]

50. "they put a spin and say that the quintessential anti-feminist is a "new feminist""

well put

[lunatica]

3. Her 'beauty' (only skin deep) is what kept her in the public eye this long!

If she has an asset, that's the only one. And in time that will go away too and then she'll be 100% ugly

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. She's a "new feminist" in the same way that a wheelbarrow is the "new transportation".

[TokenQueer]

17. !

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[ldf]

38. or, the republican feminist

pardon me while i shake my finger in your face while telling you to practice abstinance, just say no. yet if me or mine gets knocked up, we will have all options on the table.

excuse me, i need to go shoot some wildlife from a helicopter...

you'd almost think i had a penis, wouldn't you? well i don't. but if i DID, it would be HUGH!1!1! seriesly!1!1! i'm a manly woman.

:sarcasm:

[patrice]

87. !!! NAILED it!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[omega minimo]

111. She doesn't need a penis

She's got guns

[Justpat]

142. LOL. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

5. Ducks quack, geese honk.

Besides making sense to other ducks and geese, it's just noise to the rest of the world.

Faux Noise: "Quack, quackquack, honk honk, quack."

[Mrs. Overall]

6. Yep. That thar Sarah is sure pirdy and she got a whole mess o' kids and a right hansum husband...

[no_hypocrisy]

7. So . . . "old" feminists" were ugly and asexual?

What kind of logic is that?

[Buzz Clik]

15. It's the old Rush Limbaugh meme.

"feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society."

[Sal Minella]

8. 'Scuze me, gotta go find my Gloria Steinem hat.

If "New Feminists" believe in banning all types of family planning, and cheerlead for all forms of warmongering, dish me up some of that Old-Timey Equal Rights stuff, pleez.....

[patrice]

9. She isn't beautiful. She's pretty. And WHY must EVERYTHING be about men's dicks!?!?!?

[johnnie]

11. Ummm

"She asked a black female panelist "Why is Sarah so threatening?"
The answer was "She is beautiful, she has a family, a husband who supports her..."

You think the "black female panelist" was talking about men's dicks?

[patrice]

How is her physical appearance germaine to the tasks at hand? nt

[johnnie]

28. I don't think it is all about men's dicks

A lot of women sit around and discuss female politicians clothes, hair and crap. They do it with Michelle Obama all the time.

[patrice]

30. Many women aren't in the habit of focusing on the best ways to get at men's dicks?

It's called "influence." And this is the standard route to it when you either don't know of or refuse to use a more direct and honest approach.

[Hello_Kitty]

34. Um, yes.

It's called internalizing societal constructs.

[johnnie]

37. Ummm ok

So it is all about men's dicks.

[omega minimo]

59. it's about a power structure and the aforementioned social constructs, inc. female appearance.

[The Wizard]

95. So it is all about men's dicks.

What a relief. I was starting to thing it was about women's dicks.

[omega minimo]

55. because they have them

Come'on patrice, get with the program. If you had one of those pointing all over the place, with a mind of its own, waking up at odd times like a new baby, tripping you when you tried to walk and making you sit funny, you'd be pretty preoccupied with it, too!!! It takes practice to spell your name when you pee....

:evilgrin:

[HughMoran]

10. lol - shallow as they are unintelligent

Their parents should be shot for creating such evil-hearted children.

[Rob H.]

12. "she is a new feminist"

If by "new feminist" the panelist meant "misogynist," I agree completely. Somehow I don't think that's what he meant, though.

[Buzz Clik]

20. This is the second time I've heard Palin referred to as "misogynist." What does that mean?

Can women be misogynist? I suppose, but is Palin?

Don't think I agree. She isn't a feminist, but there's a lot of territory between "not feminist" and "misogynist."

[patrice]

49. There is a line of thought amongst the older Feminists I know that says something like, "Women

who conceive of Woman-hood primarily in terms of or essentially related to Men and resist, deny, or oppress anything that does not fall within that paradigm are Mysogynistic."

[patrice]

52. P.S. One of the problems here is that even "that which does not fall within the male paradigm"

can/should NOT be "that which is NOT-MALE" in order to be truly of Wymyn. I must be its own thing, not of or related to maleness.

This doesn't mean that there isn't anything about Women that is not of or related to Men, just that there are SOME things of or related to Woman-hood that are not of or related to Men in any way.

[patrice]

136. P.P.S. This would, of course, make Misanthropy, as an essential characteristic of Feminism,

ANTI-Feministic, because detesting Men is of or related to Men.

[Buzz Clik]

13. She is NOT threatening. She's unqualified to lead.

The left is swimming is powerful, beautfiul women who have supportive husbands and lovely families.

[Raschel]

24. She's a sneering liar and trouble maker. People want to see her get her

comeuppance. Why do they confuse that with threatening? :banghead:

[omega minimo]

65. Good points. Although her insanity is threatening.............

[Buzz Clik]

69. More like terrifying, particularly when considering her bid for the VP and maybe Prez.

We barely survived the Bush presidency. Can we handle someone with less leadership but similar intellectual punch?

[omega minimo]

86. It seems there are more of this sort of "politician" coming down the pike, too.

That's :scared:

What I don't understand is how unqualified, stupid people can have delusions of grandeur and narcissistic egos?

[RufusTFirefly]

19. I'm sure liberals tricked her into the whole alleged embezzlement thing

Maybe even Communists!

[sutz12]

22. Only the Right thinks she is "threatening"

Most of the left are a bit concerned that with her out of the race, the Right might find someone to run who seems more capable and electable.

They're the ones "threatened" by powerful women. Palin is not powerful. She's Bush in a skirt, clueless and eminently qualified to play the figurehead. She talks like a spokesmodel because that is what she is. It is hardly anti-feminist to point out her lack of qualifications. It is patriotic to do so, though.

[lolly]

25. Maybe not such a good figurehead, though

Notice that many of the worst attacks have come from other Republicans--rivals in Alaska, members of McCain's campaign.

She's certainly as dumb and as egotistical and as mean as Bush. The problem seems to be that she won't just wave and wear costumes and be happy to play president (or governor). She insists on injecting her batshit ideas into everything and trying to run the show, even when she's a 2nd banana. Hence all the attacks by Republicans who had to work with her.

[sutz12]

35. I suppose....she's like an evil version of "Dave"

Wants to make a "difference."

Still one of my favorite political movies.

:)

[patrice]

48. Because she has a Divine buddie, like George. nt

[lpbk2713]

23. Feminazi Lite

... is probably how OxyRush would describe it.

Limbaugh has no use for women other than how they can advance his conservative ideology.

Like anything else, he will use women to whatever extent he possibly can.

[fascisthunter]

26. right wing co-opting religion, country and no feminism

they try to deliberately co-opt good things to bring it all down to their pathetic level.

[Canuckistanian]

27. Sarah Palin is the OPPOSITE of "threatening"

She's someone you can only point at and laugh. And occasionally pity.

And she doesn't have the depth to be ANY kind of "symbol".

[kestrel91316]

29. Wow. A total slap in the face to those of us women, who for whatever reason,

don't have a "family" or husband, and who aren't "beautiful".

I'm just an ugly old spinster crone. Should I kill myself now or next week?

[sutz12]

36. Oh by all means wait...

Wait for a good long time.

:)

[patrice]

40. Right On! kestrel! - But don't do that!!! nt

[kestrel91316]

62. Lol, scared ya!

:P

[YOY]

103. In the same breath they insulted responsible men.

If the grunting redneck snowmachine man is a good father then I'm Huey Lewis.

[omega minimo]

113. Don't you mean

YOY Lewis? :hi:



I feel sorry for the kids. What a messed up situation. Missed the insult but endorse and shout out to "responsible men"!

[rucky]

31. I agree - she's a threat to feminism.

[patrice]

44. The worst kind, because all of those women who have internalized The Oppressor will identify with

her, thinking she is the opposite of The Oppressor, because she tells them she is.

BTW, Huckabee is the male corelate of this same role.

Their appeal to the warped side of Populism is a problem.

[woo me with science]

68. the "Oppressor"????

Gawd.

Sarah Palin is no feminist, but I am getting mighty sick of the "victim" feminists in our own party.

[patrice]

71. No Victim here, because one needs to recognize Oppression in all of its guises, in order to Free

one's self from it. And one of the most insidous forms of oppression is how one identifies with oppressive values, perhaps, even to the point that identifying them publicly is characterized as being a victim.

[omega minimo]

74. "perhaps, even to the point that identifying them publicly is characterized as being a victim."

:eyes: :applause:

[patrice]

79. Thanks OM! Note the "perhaps" I like to leave it up to the message receiver.

It's often interesting to see what posters do with that.

:hi: I add my voice to Freedom lovers everywhere, Happy 4th of July, omega minimo! :hi:

[omega minimo]

88. noted and included!

Happy 4th of July, patrice. :party: :woohoo: like my new :patriot: sigline? :spray:

[patrice]

99. Indeed! I was thinking about complimenting you on it, but got distracted with various

trends in this thread.

We must Never! Forget! what The Constitution is to TPB. The damage to The Constitution is Victory for Osama bin Laden.

[woo me with science]

92. oops wrong place

[woo me with science]

93. :) nt

[omega minimo]

96. Happy Fourth of July

:toast: :spray: :spray:

[omega minimo]

73. Just because you're not familiar with a concept or study

doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Don't be a victim of ignorance.

[woo me with science]

90. Oh, I'm more familiar than you think.

I am well-acquainted with the professional victim industry. In fact, I help others identify them on a semi-professional basis, in order to help keep your insurance costs down.

No need to thank me for that.

[omega minimo]

94. So your "semi professional basis" inhibits your ability to understand what patrice was talking about

Then you take a swipe at other DUers as a result.

No need to thank you for that.

[woo me with science]

97. Nice to see you, OM.

You never disappoint me. :hi:

[omega minimo]

98. Likewise, I'm sure

[omega minimo]

70. Also though

this stems from the Madonna School of Feminism and Celebrity Style.

Women being encouraged to exploit themselves to adhere to old, traditional, male gaze standards of attractiveness/behavior and call it feminism because they "chose to be exploited" or "exploited themselves before anyone else did." That flaky, superficial view of feminism became big in the 90's. And it's been coopted.

In fact, Crazy Camille Paglia promoted that heavily -- she and Nutty Sarah would probably get along great. They could ride motorcycles and shoot large mammals together. "I love the smell of cigars and liberation in the morning........."

[patrice]

76. LOL! Cigars! "Let's show the Men how free we are, that we are their peers, by out Menning the Men!"

:rofl:

[omega minimo]

78. Hey baby,

Love how these waders slide against my freshly shaven legs....................

[Berry Cool]

122. Also known as "do-me feminism"

As in: "I'm a feminist who has no problem with bein' hot and sexy, so look out for me, 'cuz if I come hobbling along in eight-inch stilettos, it's cuz I WANT to wear 'em and cripple my feet, not 'cuz some MAN told me to. If I wanna pose in Playboy with my stuff all on display for the world, that's 'cuz I'm an attractive female proud of my powerful body and my sexuality, not 'cuz some guy will be turned on by lookin' at me."

*yawn* Same old sexism, only dolled up as "women's freedom and sexual autonomy."

[Sheepshank]

32. So out of touch with things...ain't that the truth

Freepers are so insidiously stupid, they really think the libs feel "threatened"? They are confusing it with feeling "Contempt". Freeping idiots.

[omega minimo]

75. "Contempt"? Is that what you feel?

[Sheepshank]

143. For Palin.?.I'd say yes

Certainly no feelings of threat as has been espoused by freepers, that's for sure.

I feel contempt for her hypocrisy, for her 'moral' outrage, for her assumption that she represents all women, that she dare compare herself to Hillary, that she feels she can lead this nation. Yeah, I'd say I feel contempt and not any sort of threat.

[patrice]

81. Contempt is a form of bondage. Libs, i.e. those who are Liberated, do not identify with bondage. nt

[omega minimo]

106. Waders are a form of bondage

:evilgrin:

[Hello_Kitty]

33. I'm not surprised by this at all. We have this same problem on the liberal side..

With the so-called "sex positive" crowd telling us how "empowering" stripping and porn are.

[patrice]

45. Usually, it's a very juvenile form of pseudo-rebellion. Popular because it IS the coin-of-the-realm.

It "rebels" without actually Rebelling.

[Hello_Kitty]

46. Yep.

And it's not really subversive if everyone is doing it.

[patrice]

53. Right! Just like "Let's all be 'Hippies'!" by wearing Hippie clothes. nt

[omega minimo]

80. echoed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5987638&mesg_id=5988343

[burning rain]

39. It's astounding how....

Republican support for feminism and opposition to sexism began in 2008 with Sarah Palin's candidacy.

[Orsino]

41. Every day is Opposite Day on Fox.

They call Palin a feminist because she's not. She's an anti-feminist in matters of policy--though I won't minimize the fact of her "success," such as it is, as a possible inspiration to women. On the balance, I believe she's a setback to the cause of equality.

[omega minimo]

77. She's a Fauxminist.

:thumbsdown:

[patrice]

84. Love it! I'm gonna use that one!

[omega minimo]

89. Thank you. We need to Fight Faux With Faux.

:hi:

[Xenotime]

42. Palin's view are old and not worth anything any more.

That's why they forced her out.

[lunatica]

43. Well that explains why she had to quit then!

It's all those jealous women's fault! Ya! Ya betcha there now also too!

[Cha]

47. palin is an ugly piece of shit

who can't finish her commitments.

[Peacetrain]

51. Republicans are now claiming they are feminists?

:spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray: :spray:

[shaniqua6392]

56. That beotch is NOT a feminist!!

She does not care on bit about the rights of women. BTW....She is not beautiful either. She looks like the wicked witch of the north.

[BlooInBloo]

57. I wonder if feminists will fight for their name, or if they'll let these fucks take it...

It took us like 20 years to get "liberal" back - sorta.

[lunatica]

63. Real feminists don't fight with Hannity.

Because it would be a waste of valuable time.

[BlooInBloo]

64. Heh. If anyone wants to know how the loss of a name starts, they can consult these posts.

[lunatica]

66. So the word matters more than the idea?

Maybe some think that Hannity is a visionary trend setter, but I don't. The only people listening to him are already converted. And yes, they are all waste of time and breath.

[BlooInBloo]

67. Where did I say, suggest, or imply that?

[lunatica]

72. Read your own posts

"Heh. If anyone wants to know how the loss of a name starts, they can consult these posts."

If Hannity wants to usurp the word 'feminist' why should anyone stop him? He's perfectly entitled to be stupid and say stupid things. You seem to be implying that if we don't fight with him he's going to take something away from us. I'm saying that fighting him is a waste of time and effort and that he can't take the idea of feminism away from us.

[patrice]

101. A waste of time with Hannity, but there are Many Listeners/Watchers. nt

[lunatica]

104. I think the Hannity listeners and watchers are just like him only dumber

Except for those who go there for the fun of watching the idiots and come back to report on them. The ones who watch to laugh at Hannity are mostly already feminists (men as well as women). As a very active feminist in my youth I can assure anyone who wonders that things have improved vastly since then. There's still work to do regarding salaries, but women have mostly gone into just about any career they want to now with little to no resistance. I'm not worried that Hannity's use of the word feminist will corrupt anything. Just like Limbaugh's use of his word feminazies isn't either. It says much more about them than it does any woman.

[omega minimo]

115. Nothing has changed in regard to the image/expectation/male gaze/indoctrination

That was part of the message sent by InsHannity -- "she's beautiful," blah blah blah.

One big indicator of how that's been internallized and how -- in a sense you're right and in a sense it's completely untrue -- it stiill has its hooks in people is this:

Yes women have different opportunities. Yet the expectations on appearance/behavior have not improved and have been REGRESSED.

The point: all these young women who are educated, liberated, independent, what have you, who are speaking in that pained, nasally, gargle-ly, phony, strangulated vocalization that you hear EVERYWHERE and is transmitted by TV (and, I'm told, Ivy League colleges) are telling the world:

"I'm harmless, I'm subservient, I'm voiceless, I'm docile, I'm a little girl talking baby talk."


It's sick. And it goes with the trendy/conventional appearance of 90210/Sex and the City Fauxminism.

[lunatica]

116. Women's looks are not pushed in academia

Universities and academia in general which includes world class research groups is one place where women have made huge inroads and are even outnumbering men. I know Deans and Vice Chancellors who are women and UC Davis has a woman Chancellor. The graduate students in what has been traditionally male areas of expertise like Engineering and Statistics and Math and Paleontology and the Biological sciences where I work has about equal amounts of women and men, and there is no demand that the women look better or dress well or act ladylike or wear lipstick or pretend to be dumb little girls. There is no sexism or misogyny that I've ever detected in all the years I've worked there.

And one other thing I've noticed is that really beautiful women who could easily trade on their looks are faculty and graduate students in science and engineering. And a sizable group of these women are from other countries. China, Korea, Latin America, Australia and the Middle East, Palestine and Israel and other countries. And strangely enough there is almost no conflict between the many countries' citizens no matter what goes on back home for women or men.

[omega minimo]

117. That's not what I said.

[patrice]

118. Odd that you should pick such a narrow band to characterize the average situation which i think HAS

regressed.

Looks are more important than ever outside of the ivory tower. As a woman, try interacting with a new group of professional peers without your makeup and hair done. Go and try to advocate in a grassroots issue gathering without appropriate badges of group membership. Show up for an interview clean, but overweight, with no makeup, no hair do, wearing outdated clothes, and a schmooze factor of 0 and see how well you do competing with another prettier candidate of the same age with nearly the same or somewhat lesser qualifications and a better fashion sense.

Maybe even some of the increase in obesity in this country can be attributed (amongst other things) to anger over the tyranny of how we're supposed to look. And then, of course, there also are anorexic and bulimic symptomatic obsessions with body image, which some posit assume the proportions they do because persons lack subjective identification with other values.

The cosmetics industry will be interested to hear from you that they are obsolete, especially relative to the 100s of millions of $ that they generate every year for stuff that you can't eat, that won't keep you warm in the winter, nor carry your butt from here to there, nor cure your headache.

As people become more confused by changes, they often cling more tightly to things they know and are familiar with and the rules about what is attractive and what isn't are pretty clear that way, so this is a simple universal means of social bonding and, hence, re-assurance. Ever watch QVC?

[lunatica]

120. Excuse me. I thought we were exchanging ideas

I did not refute what was said. I was not arguing against your ideas or experiences. I was adding mine to the mix.

Sorry you feel so offended.

[patrice]

124. I'm not offended, just making my case, and puzzled by you sample. nt

[patrice]

127. P.S. Sorry I appeared offended.

:hi:

[omega minimo]

132. you didn't

:shrug:

[lunatica]

138. I was talking about what I know. I work at UC Berkeley

And I'm sure you probably were too. But saying that I should inform the makeup industry that they're obsolete is sarcasm as far as I can tell. It sounds angry so I assumed you thought I was arguing against what you were saying. I get it that it isn't easy for women in the workplace. That's one of the main reasons I decided to work at the University. It isn't the corporate world with it's indifference to quality work and it's biases to looks when hiring people.

I misunderstood then. I'm glad you weren't offended.

:hi:

[patrice]

140. I was being funny. I'm not in the habit of using emoticons everywhere. What we need is new

and more punctuation on the keyboard.

If I had said that at a meeting, you would have seen a smile on my face and my tone of voice would have contained no ridicule and, yes, I do have those abilities, acquired from teaching highschool seniors, including AP students, for 8 years.

[anneboleyn]

146. Wow, my experience in the humanities was entirely different than yours.

In both grad school and when I professed at a liberal arts college. Very different, subtle but still very much present expectations.

[anneboleyn]

147. I should add that perhaps the behavior of male colleagues differs in the sciences

but there are certainly still issues in the humanities.

[patrice]

123. Think of the CONSTANT cultural references to looks.

Not only in words, but also in images. Movies and TV are great examples of how pretty = lovable. We may know little or nothing else about a character, not what she thinks, feels, not what she knows, how she understands herself, or the world, NOTHING, but if she's beautiful or pretty it IS absolutely un-contested to present her as inspiration for true love on that one quality alone.

Think of all of the verbal references to what a fine person so-and-so is based on little or NO information about them other than how good-looking she is.

She's pretty, she must be good! :sarcasm:

[omega minimo]

129. Looks as a preoccupation and all the time/money/focus/attention it requires

The same old cliches are telegraphed as soon as kids are born. There are differences b/w boys and girls -- that are not written in stone.

They are wallpapered into everyone's consciousness, though. A good, clear graphic example of this is easy to find. Any Sunday newspaper supplement Toy ads catalogue to kids. It's right there, in pink and blue.

Boys = active

Giels = passive

Boys = outward

Girls = domestic

[patrice]

119. Rather static notion of all of the systems involved in that situation you have there.

This is about waaaaaay more than what careers women can get into.

[omega minimo]

82. They don't get Feminism. They get Fauxminism.

:hi:

[Kievan Rus]

58. A lot of feminists have families

Nice theory though, Faux dudes.

[Odin2005]

60. 'New Feminist" BWAHAHAHA!!! what a load of crap.

:rofl: :crazy:

[omega minimo]

61. That would be a Fauxminist

:hi: They are talking nonsense, typical for Faux Nooz. If that's their definition, call it what it is. Fauxminism.

[Arkana]

83. Sean Hannity is just another one of Sarah's wannabe buttboys.

[JayMusgrove]

105. He has had the hots for Sarah for a long long time,

I bet he gets a tingle down his leg.

[omega minimo]

107. It seems he's a wannabe Sarah

[JayMusgrove]

108. I disagre, I think he's a wanna "something else" Sarah.

[omega minimo]

110. He wants to be a girl.

[JayMusgrove]

112. I never got that impression from him. I think he's a normal dumb

male.

[omega minimo]

85. And since we're dsicussing feminism

did the fill in "(some blonde I'd never seen before)" happen to be a woman?

Is "(some blonde I'd never seen before)" how you would describe a man who filled in?

:popcorn:

[johnaries]

91. Palin? "Threatening"?

:rofl:

[varelse]

100. Threatening?

Only to her own political party. What the hell kind of drugs are these people indulging in?

[lib2DaBone]

102. Ya, but she is illterate..cant read a newspaper.. one time Gov

from a low population State... and knows NOTHING about world politics.

In short.. the PERFECT candidate for President.

[Stellabella]

109. She's a threat because she's insane.

Narcissistic as hell, and very unstable.

[Hansel]

137. Had she been a good orator she would have been extremely dangerous.

I can't believe how the sheeple fell for her. Imagine if she had been able to put a complete sentence together and in order.

[Deja Q]

114. Old feminists burned bras. What do new feminists burn, apart from stock options?

[Berry Cool]

125. Actually, nobody ever burned bras. Just threw 'em away. Some people, anyway.

Some of us would rather not bounce.

[patrice]

128. and they don't burn very well without an accellerant. nt

[omega minimo]

133. do you know if that ever happened?

Hasn't it been told as folklore?

[patrice]

139. I've never seen it. I did see some Wymyn who were walking the railroad

tracks from the Pentax plants near Amarillo (I think) to the nuclear sub bases up around Seattle, who had hair all of the way up their legs as long and curly as any guy's. It was during the summer and they were on the road following weapons trains, no men in their group, though there were Mennonite and other families along the route that helped them out.

My older sister, with whom I am very close, worked for a large YWCA for years and some of the most progressive political women in our area networked there. None of them burnt bras. They just did stuff, like welcoming the Plow Shares women who were walking the train tracks. I helped; we all marched down Kansas Avenue in Topeka, over 20 years ago now.

[Berry Cool]

121. Answer: yes, they are that out of touch.

Sarah Palin is to feminism as Uncle Tom is to civil rights.

[alcibiades_mystery]

126. Obama wiped the floor with McCain Palin

A Palin run would result in Obama winning 46 states.

Nobody "fears" Palin. Although it is comical that the far right wing lunatics think people do. Send her to North Carolina again. Please!

:rofl:

[patrice]

130. I am truly sorry to see her go as a candidate, but expect to see her around

as a sheep tender preparatory to one of their standard bait-and-switch operations, the sort of thing they've been using to milk the "Pro-Lifers" for decades.

[Hansel]

131. If by "new feminist" he means "notta feminist"

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I don't particularly find her to be beautiful, either physically or in character. She lacks class, is manipulative, and refuses to take responsibility for anything. Not really what I consider to be beautiful.

Using sexual allures to gain position and money, using your family as props to achieve power, and pretending that someone said something bad about your disabled child as an excuse for quitting your post instead of admitting it is because you have violated ethics and possibly the law is not feminism. It's gutless manipulation and is not something any female should aspire to.

Are these people really that clueless and shallow? Wait...never mind.

[omega minimo]

134. Spot on

and funny :spray:

"Are these people really that clueless and shallow? Wait...never mind."

[patrice]

141. The night SP winked, the entire room of women and men I was with exploded.

It's STILL hard to believe that someone in that position, during a debate!!!, would so overtly send that "Ain't I sexy and cute" message. That wink said "I'm the kind of woman you can't trust your boyfriend around." It also said, as winks almost universally do, "Something ***OTHER*** than what my words to you are is going on here." Everyone in the room was completely amazed by the bald sexiness of it. Sarah needs everything to be about Sarah and she'll do ANYTHNG to make that happen, including something as dumb as that wink.

Sad part of it is that that wink totally worked for a significant minority of people.

[Skittles]

135. they thought george w bush was a real president

'nuff said

[EFerrari]

145. Yeah. Sarah is a feminist like I'm an astronaut.

:rofl: