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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:01 AM
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DSCC wants Sestak out of the race against Specter.
DSCC, White House want Sestak sidelined

This happens a lot, so I totally believe it. There have been too many cases of hand-picked candidates who were promised open fields with no opposition. It has happened in my state a lot. Right out in the open.

Word out of Washington, D.C., is that the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee and the political wiseguys from the Obama administration plan on "visiting with" Pennsylvania Democrat Rep. Joe Sestak.

Their objective is clear: Get him off the stage and out of a primary race against incumbent (and now Democrat) Sen. Arlen Specter.

"I have received a call" from DSCC chairman Sen. Bob Menendez of New Jersey, Sestak said, "but we keep missing each other."

So the battle lines are drawn: Sestak is not inclined to be pushed out of the race, and Menendez's marching orders from the White House are to shove, not just push


Sestak is right. Washington is trying to be a kingmaker. I admire him for standing up and speaking out.

As of last week, Sestak had no plans of going anywhere but forward. "I felt when everyone was told to get out of the race that it was violating a principle of why I got into politics. Rather than being upfront and letting Pennsylvania Democrats have a choice in an election, they have cut a deal," he said.

The downside for Sestak is that he would have to give up his House seat to run. But fear is no deterrent for a guy who was a Navy admiral and won his House seat by defeating an incumbent, Curt Weldon, in eastern Pennsylvania's 7th District. "Last time I checked, there was no anointing of individuals to seats in America," Sestak said. "Washington is trying to be a kingmaker. ... This is a primary; it is open to all."


Ed Rendell is already speaking out with a warning to Sestak. Just think about that. The party's top leaders recruited Arlen Specter, a Republican, to become a Democrat. Word is he was promised no opponent in the primary.

Think about that. The Democratic governor is warning off a fellow Democrat and supporting the recent Republican turned Democrat.

Rendell: Sestak Would "Get Killed" And "Marginalized" If He Runs Against Specter

Appearing on the "Ed Show", Rendell didn't apply even the slightest bit of sugar coating to his advice. Specter, he said, would kill Sestak in a primary largely because he has a history of aiding constituents, has the backing of the party machinery, and is supported by the president.

"I'm a great admirer of Joe Sestak and worked hard to get him elected and re-elected," Rendell said. "And I'm going to work hard to get him re-elected when he runs for Congress next year. Not for the Senate. Joe should not run for the Senate in the Democratic primary. He would get killed."

" doesn't want to be marginalized," Rendell reasoned. "He doesn't want to get 15 or 18 percent . Joe should run for Congress again; establish some seniority. His time will come... but it is not this year."

And what if it was this year?

"We will lose a terrific Congressman," Rendell said. "Joe Sestak runs against Arlen Specter, he is out of the Congress after just two short terms. We will lose a terrific Congressman and when he loses to Arlen, he fades into political obscurity."


That is how the DSCC and the DCCC do business. They pick the candidates, warn others off, and if that doesn't work they dry up their fundraising.

Democrats recruit wealthy conservatives to run, push good Democrats out of races.

David Lutrin, a school teacher, union activist and staunch supporter of immediate withdrawal from Iraq, decided to run against Foley before Mahoney entered the race. After Mahoney declared his candidacy, Lutrin was contacted by field organizers for the DCCC who asked him to drop out and let Mahoney run unopposed.

Lutrin said that he also met personally with Mahoney. During a three- hour breakfast meeting, Mahoney offered Lutrin a higher-paying job if he agreed to drop out of the primary. "Mahoney tried to get me to run in a different district. He offered me a job at one of his non-profit organizations where he said that I would make more than I was making as a teacher. He said I could campaign full time while working at his non-profit as long as I agreed to drop out of the race," Lutrin said. Lutrin declined the job offer.

According to Lutrin, when he refused to step aside, the DCCC shored up local political support for Mahoney. The local AFL-CIO chapter, of which Lutrin was a member, came out with an early endorsement of Mahoney's campaign. According to Lutrin, the union told him that "they would like to back a fellow union brother, but Mahoney has more money and more political support from the party." Lutrin eventually dropped out of the race when the local teachers' union decided to support Mahoney.


They also did it to Christine Cegelis in Illinois, a DFA candidate who had made the race competitive the time before.

From Truth Out:

Recruiting wealthy conservatives to run.

According to Spidel, Emanuel worked against Cegelis because of her support for withdrawal from Iraq and her outspoken opposition to "free trade" legislation like the Central American Free Trade Agreement. "In 2006 the DCCC was Emanuel's personal weapon. He executed based on his needs. He needed votes on 'free trade' legislation that he supports, and he knew that was one of the Democrats who would vote her own way," Spidel said.


They did it to Dr. Jan Schneider in Florida.

Schneider sat down with Emanuel in 2005 to address her concern that Jennings might get preferential treatment from the DCCC during the primary. According to Schneider, Emanuel told her that the DCCC's policy was not to choose sides during primaries. On May 26, 2005, Emanuel wrote a letter to Schneider reiterating the policy of the DCCC: "You expressed concerns about the DCCC getting involved in party primaries. While our preference is to avoid having them, our policy is to remain neutral," stated the letter, signed by Emanuel.

Schneider claims that Emanuel broke this policy during the 2006 primary race. "Emanuel caused the Schneider campaign to be removed from the DCCC website and circulated solicitations for contributions to Democratic candidates indicating that there was no primary in the Florida 13th," according to a memorandum Schneider prepared.


The party has been playing God with our candidates. Now they are going to shove Joe Sestak aside to give Arlen Specter an open field.

If Sestak runs, we will donate to him. We have stopped most of our political donations now...but that would be an exception.

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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:13 AM
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1. FUCK the DSCC, DCCC
Fuck the whole damned corporatist democratic establishment. I will donate to Sestak. I think he's running a good gamble against a treacherous rethuglican who will be 81 years old recovering from near fatal cancer.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:15 AM
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2. Count me in. I am tired of the Red Dogs. nt
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 08:04 AM
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68. We need an organization that will go after the Red Dogs. We can't count on the Democratic Party
to do it. Thom Hartmann says get organized on the grass roots party level and take over the party. I don't think that will work.
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960 Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:17 AM
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3. Fuck the DSCC. If Sestak runs, I will scrape together everything I can to donate.
I love Sestak, and loathe Specter.

....but that's beside the point of preventing democracy.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:21 AM
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4. I could be mistaken, but it's very possible that Sestak is pulling this stunt to get some
assurances that if Specter keels over or Casey gets hit by a bus, that HE is next in line--no matter who, what, when or where.

Of course, the caveat would have to be "Only if Rendell doesn't want it."

Just a guess. Not an "inside baseball" view.

And maybe it could be that he just doesn't give a shit, he's tired of the House, and he just wants a crack at the Senate. I've said elsewhere that his temperament is more suited to that body.

He can "make do" on his pension if he finds himself out of work--it's not chickenfeed, even though he had to lose a star when he retired due to insufficient time in grade.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:26 AM
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5. How can a man win with the DSCC arrayed against him, and with just one little consonant from this?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:37 AM
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6. Rep. Sestak Can Win The Primary, Ma'am
Disloyal Democrat Arlen Specter really is not that popular with Democrats anywhere....
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quiller4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:40 AM
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7. That is not quite true. Specter out-polled Sestak by almost
2 to 1 in recent PA polling of registered voters. In a poll of Decomcratic PCs and party officers, Sestak was out-polled by almost 3 to 1. Spector has a very strong following in PA and always has had.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:46 AM
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9. Early Days, Ma'am....
Polling at this point is mostly name-recognition. If Rep. Sestak presses the matter, hard, and secures adequate funds, things will go well for him, and poorly for Disloyal Democrat Arlen Specter.
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Celtic Merlin Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:23 AM
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15. Exactly. The polling was the result of name-recognition only.
Sestak IS a true Democrat.

Specter is an antique, self-centered asshole.

And I'm sick to fucking DEATH of the party machine deciding who we will be permitted to vote for. This isn't THEIR country, it's OURS. Sestak will get my money, my time, and my full support.

Celtic Merlin
Carlinist
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:41 AM
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19. 80+ yr old turncoat with THREE cancer recurrences vs
a young ADMIRAL who really wants the job..
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:57 AM
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25. Lots of senior citizens in PA.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:50 AM
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33. It all depends on who shows up
Specter traditionally gets about 60% of the vote. One has to assume that is mainly Republicans and Independents with some Democratic cross over.

If that 40% is mainly democrats, well Specter might be in trouble because you have people who have been voting against him for years not being asked to vote for him.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 08:29 PM
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40. Most seniors I know, realize their own physical limitations
and would think twice about electing an ailing old man, especially for a SIX year term.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:16 AM
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59. I'm one of them.
If Joe Sestak runs I'll be voting for him.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:16 AM
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27. True, though that was a DSCC poll, but as a PAer I don't doubt Specter's far more popular with Dems
I'm not sure if the numbers from the poll you're referring to are 100% accurate, seeing as that poll showing Specter up like 55% to 15% was done by the DSCC.

Still, as a PAer I don't doubt that Specter is quite popular with a lot of democrats. One of the reasons why he won reelection so many times is because quite a few democrats in the Philadelphia area (Specter's homebase) regularly vote for him, while supporting democrats in all the other races. Specter actually sort of let news of his party switch 'leak' to some PA democrats who supported him before it went public a few days later. He was at a fundraiser attended entirely by democrats supporting Specter, and someone there asked him why not switch parties and become a democrat, to which Specter replied "well, we'll see", which really shocked all the people attending.

Keep in mind Specter also had a higher approval rating for a while among democrats then republicans before he switched parties, so it seems unlikely that it's tanked very much since his party change.

Sestak is also largely unknown in most of PA outside of Philadelphia and it's suburbs in the southeastern part of the state, and that area of the state happens to be where the base of Specter's support is to. I think Sestak's name recognition statewide is only in the mid 20's.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:11 AM
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64. Rep Sestak has frequently been interviewed on TV in the past month.
His name will get out there.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:06 PM
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55. "Registered voters"? Who gives a shit?
The only poll that might matter would be the rank and file Dems. Unless, that is, you are implying that the Dem establishment would support the Rethugs if Sestack beats Spectre in the pimary.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:41 AM
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8. Why do the DSCC and the DCCC even exist anyway
They're obviously nothing but DLC proxies. And all three need to be eliminated.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:31 AM
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70. Incumbent Protection Racket.
That's what they're there for.
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JustinL Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:00 AM
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10. I intend to pull my wallet out the very first day Sestak accepts donations
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:22 AM
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14. Ditto. -eom
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 04:23 AM
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22. K&R
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:03 PM
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54. me three.
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Kurska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:04 AM
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11. Why is the DSCC opposed to letting people decide who best repersents them?
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 09:53 AM
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30. Because you have no choice
You never did. The system is fixed.
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The Bakery Wagon Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:20 AM
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12. Some compare the Dem/Rep elites to the mafia...
and I call balderdash on that.

The Mafia understands Respect.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:20 AM
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13. The Cegelis thing STILL chaps my ass, look how great that turned out - grrr!
Christine Cegelis was a GREAT candidate, she got harpooned by those assholes & then we fucking LOST.
It still pisses me off to no end.

Sestak should be an easy win over Specter, if the PA Dem mafia doesn't necklace him - yeah, Fast Eddie Rendell, I'm talking about YOU.
And of course, the f'ing useless, loser ratio of the DSCC.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:24 AM
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16. Disconnect in progress.
No one is more opposed to arlen specter than I. I think the Democrats were stupid and naive. They got snookered. The let a lying weasel that no one wanted into their house and are taking care of it. This is one of the stupidest things around.

But then, we see all over DU about how undisciplined and weak the Democrats are because they don't follow orders from the White House and all vote the same. We see DU'ers praise the discipline of the republican party where no one seems to have a conscience, but everyone has a slush fund.

Do we see the disconnect.

Now, I am from the old Democratic tradition where liberal Democrats spit on the dinos who got to Washington, so my sentiments are with Sestak. But his running will not be good for the party. Maybe good for the people and for the country, but not good for the party. Boy did the administration screw this up royally.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 07:02 AM
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26. There is a parodox here. The party establishment wants voters to toe the line for a candidate who..
is unsupportive of the party line. You can't demand orthodoxy in the name of supporting the unorthodox. It's too laden with contradiction.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 09:15 AM
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28. This is really FUBAR.
Edited on Sat May-30-09 09:15 AM by Jakes Progress
It will appear in history books of politics as an example of astounding lack of thought or prescience on the part of the Administration and the party.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:18 PM
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43. I think your frame of reference is off. It isn't "the party" it's the corporatists in the party.
and they don't give a crap about the "party line" that you and I might agree on. They want us to toe the line and elect corporatists regardless of their orthodoxy.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:16 PM
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41. You say the Democratic leaders are weak. I say they are strong, just not in a Democratic way.
They are owned by CorpAmerica.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:29 AM
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17. I suspect something else is going on.
Pennsylvania's two senators are Bob Casey, Jr. and Arlen Specter.

Casey's term is up in 2012 and, if re-elected, Specter will be in the Senate until 2016.

Pennsylvania's governor, Ed Rendell, will be out in 2010 due to term limits. He won re-election against the GOP candidate, former Pittsburgh Steelers player Lynn Swann, who was able to get 40% of the vote despite never having held any elected office.

The way I see it, the GOP will run Swann again, but we have to have someone to run against him. That can either be Casey or Sestak.

Or, in the worst case scenario, no one believes Specter will live out his term. He has had cancer twice already. Sestak will either wait to replace Specter (in the 2016 election or by appointment), or Sestak will run for governor in 2010 against Swann (or whichever name the GOP gets ... what's Keyes up to?) or Obama appoints Casey to some agency and Sestak replaces him.

Just my two cents.

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livefreest Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:38 AM
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18. that's how a leadership starts to destroy a party. the more they oppose him the more
i want Sestak to ru and beat Spector(yes, spectOr!). it seems those big heads in washington have made promises and think we should all march to the beat. has Spector proven he's a democrat yet? i think now or never is the time to show our beloved leadership, including President Obama, we are the Democratic Party, not the Republican-march-to-the-beat party.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:52 AM
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35. Exactly
President Obama doesn't get to decide who the Democratic nominee for Senator from PA should be.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:26 PM
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48. I'd Suspect Rahm Emmanuel First
He fancies himself a Party Architect or something...
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 02:46 AM
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20. What the DSCC is doing to Sestak is just wrong. This is how you lose elections, not win them.
Too many incidents of this and you will get a demoralized base that simply will not come out and vote for you. They will stay home, and one day, the Republicans will win power again. Like they did in 1994.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 04:52 PM
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39. Yes...that is a good way to have a "demoralized base."
I have seen it here in our state so often. To get good people in government you have to allow choices.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 03:00 AM
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21. Ed Rendell is a very large asshole. The people seem to want Sestak
rather than Specter. Certainly more than Toomey, the GOP candidate, who is evidently gaining on Specter recently.

mark
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:32 AM
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23. same old shit wrapped in a shiny new package
rahm is obama`s pet snake.....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 06:41 AM
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:51 AM
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34. Its probably accurate
This is how politics is played in PA.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 12:07 PM
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36. I often quote her articles on some Democrats.
She has been quite fair on many topics. She is sort of like Kathleen Parker in many ways....she can be very very right in my opinion or very very wrong.

However since Sestak said those words, and I posted another source with Rendell's words....I think my sources are just fine.

Let's not be in denial.
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liskddksil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 09:50 AM
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29. My response would be to DSCC---- Bite Me.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:44 AM
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31. Even if Sestak loses, he'll help keep Specter honest (or at least a little less dishonest)
Before his switch, Specter was looking ahead to the 2010 primary. He was shifting politically to improve his chances in that primary. Of course, he was preparing for a Republican primary against Toomey, so his political advantage was to move to the right. Thus he flip-flopped on the Employee Free Choice Act, for example.

Specter, being largely unprincipled and seeking only his own self-interest, will now be subject to a comparable pull to the left. He will, for the remainder of his term, be more of a Democrat if he's concerned about a primary challenge. He'll try to undercut Sestak's issues-based appeal by tacking to the left.

That pull to the left will be stronger if he perceives Sestak as a credible challenger. Count me among those ready to contribute to Sestak, because it serves that goal, along with the more obvious point that Sestak might even win.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:48 AM
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32. Went to Stesak's campaign office to volunteer yesterday
Don't have that much money, but I'm sure my year long adventure as an Obama Team Leader can be of some value to him.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:13 PM
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37. Further warning to Sestak from Rendell....says Joe should respect Arlen more.
This sounds like Ed Rendell practically worships Specter, and it sounds like he has almost contempt for Sestak. That is not a good thing to happen in a party.

From Huffington Post:

Rendell: Sestak Would "Get Killed" And "Marginalized" If He Runs Against Specter

"It's unbelievable how many know Arlen personally and admired him and supported him even though he was a Republican in the past," said Rendell. "You can't buy that and you can't overcome that in one campaign. It's been 30 years. Number two, Arlen specter, will raise two, three, four times as much money as Joe Sestak. Number three: Arlen Specter has the support of the president and vice president. The president who has got a 90 percent approval rating among registered democrats in Pennsylvania."

"I think Joe should think about what Arlen has done," Rendell concluded, "the alliances that he's made over the years, the constituent service operation that he has that is second to none, and the fact that he does have the support of Democrats, particularly the president."


I think Rendell should think about how that comes across.

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 01:17 PM
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38. "One party with two right wings" - Gore Vidal n/t
:kick: & R

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Libertas1776 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:18 PM
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42. This is the
exact reason why I am a registered Independent (no party affiliation)
I may agree with the Democrats on most issues, particularly their more liberal stances.
But I could never swallow all of this dishonest political party garbage. Screw Arlen!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:21 PM
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44. When CT wanted to dump Lieberman, didn't the DSCC give the Democratic voters
the finger and support Lieberman over the Democratic challanger?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:36 PM
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50. Covertly, yes they did. Lamont won the Dem primary...Lieberman got in sideways
by forming his own party.

It was a real shame.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:22 PM
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45. Maybe moveon or PDA will support Sestak. nm
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:22 PM
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46. Too Bad For the Kingmakers. That's Not How Democracy Works
which is why we are in the mess we are in today, by the way.
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Necon-Be-Gone Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:26 PM
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47. Power corrupts absolutely
Why in the world would Obama try to shove a Republican down our throats?

One thing we need to keep in mind is that Rendell has been wrong in the past. He said Obama could never win PA against Hillary and against McCain.

I'll happily vote for Sestak and support him.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:29 PM
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49. From afar I'm hoping Sestak mounts a primary challenge and then
wins the primary.

I've never much liked Arlen Specter, no matter which color sweater he's wearing.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:48 PM
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51. Not.One.Dime to the DINO's
Edited on Sat May-30-09 10:48 PM by depakid
They're as big an impediment to meaningful reforms and legislation as any Republican- even worse, as they make it appear like there's little difference between the parties.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 10:54 PM
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52. Go Sestak!!!
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:03 PM
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53. I'm not from PA but...
I have $50 "earmarked" for Sestack.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:21 PM
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56. Remind you of anything MadFloridian?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:53 PM
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58. Oh, yeh, it reminds me. They took special pains to get John Russell discredited.
They really did a job on him. That was terrible.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 03:03 AM
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62. 8 progressives ran in the 2006 general for House seates, none were funded by FL or Nationa Demsl
except 1500 to one candidate from DSCC.

Your post is excellent. Attention needs to be focused on real Democrats who get next to nothing when they
make the general election.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-30-09 11:42 PM
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57. Fuck what DSCC wants to do
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:34 AM
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60. Sestak says he needs $10 million
Edited on Sun May-31-09 12:34 AM by Juche
And he said he already has 3.2 million. So that is totally doable to raise another 7, especially if unions get behind Sestak (which I think they will). I'd put in $50 or $100, even though I'm not in PA. I think the netroots can raise several million for Sestak. We raised a million for Bachmann's opponent in one day.

This race is about much more than a primary, it is about refuting everything bad about the democratic party and what has gone wrong in our democracy.

The leadership of the democratic party had no idea what they were getting into with this.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 12:44 AM
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61. I'm not surprised this is happening but I do hope that it can be stopped.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:00 AM
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63. Gov. Rendell supported Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in
our PA primary, too. I don't ask Gov. Rendell who should get my vote. I'll donate to and vote for Rep. Sestak.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:55 AM
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65. What is with the beef against primaries? Democrats AND Republicans are falling for it...
You'd think 2008 would have taught them the importance of a hard fought primary.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 06:57 AM
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66. The bottom line is Specter is not entitled to the Senate seat.
Sestak needs our support.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 07:06 AM
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67. They say organizations such as the DSCC and DCCC are to insure
Edited on Sun May-31-09 07:07 AM by mmonk
Democratic party majorities, but I found out years ago it goes much more deeper than that. That's why I quit donations to those organizations.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 09:39 AM
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69. Go Sestak!
nt
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 10:52 PM
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71. DSCC
Edited on Sun May-31-09 10:53 PM by spag68
I'm trying to understand the rules here. This is a Democratic site and we are not supposed to unfairly criticize our own, right? What do we do when the anointed candidate is not only a DINO, but really a conservative republican? I recently got an appeal for donation from the DSCC, and this is what I wrote back on their donation card " I'm sorry, but I voted for the party that promised to end the war, get us to universal health care, and to support the unions via the card check. Since you have done none of these, I assume you sent this to me by mistake." Stamped and sent. DLC DSCC and all the other corporate shills, get out of my party. Sorry I forgot to add, I'm taking a couple weeks off in Fla, maybe I can figure this all out.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 11:34 PM
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72. Kick
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-01-09 07:04 PM
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73. no offense, but waddaya expect from a party that proclaims itself the party
of the people yet picks it's primo candidate with *superdelegates*? And then manipulates,er,I mean, negotiates those behind closed doors?
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