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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:24 PM Original message |
Does a politician REALLY need to promote "a strong defense" to get elected? |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. No one really takes the time to comment on these things besides partisans. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Well, it is Times readers, of course, but note that they are |
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mikita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. and thus it has ALWAYS been.... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. After working on the Kucinich campaign in 2004, I knew that no one |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. In 2004, Kerry was likely the only viable candidate who |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Comments on the NY Times aren't representative |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. There is NO REASON other than greed and paranoia to spend |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. *sigh* |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. I wish I knew a fraction.. |
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NaturalHigh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yes, a strong defense is important. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. But when Republicanites and DLCers say "a strong defense" what they really mean |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 11:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. What does it need to be strong enough to do? n/t |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. See, that's the question that no one in the mainstream asks |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Didn't know that about Condi |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. No, I wish I did (lost a lot of old stuff during a hard drive crash) but |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. All Indications are That Yes, It Is |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. And the Seawolf submarine was needed because...? |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 12:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
47. The Point is That Clinton Became President |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. But he never challenged the assumptions that underlie our suicidal military spending |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'd say so in most cases. Common defense is one of the primary reasons to have government |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. There's securing defense, a valid function of any government, and then there['s |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Depends on the district. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. "Moderation" means "accept conventional corporate wisdom |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. No it doesn't. Who made you the Great Definition Giver? nt. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. I've been watching the political scene for over 40 years |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Okay...this I agree with. But the stuff about corporate wisdom and refusing to even |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. But that's not a natural phenomenon |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:43 PM Response to Original message |
18. I would have trouble voting for someone who did't think we needed a defense |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Nobody is arguing for complete disarmament, but did you read the |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
19. 'Strong Defense' also signals fear of retaliation for our international crimes |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Yes, a large percentage of the world is mightily pissed off at the U.S. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:24 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. No. Americans would shit themselves if 'foreign' troops had bases here |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
25. A "strong defense" to a Republican is a never ending proposition |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. During that period, I knew several people who had done study abroad in the Soviet Union |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Sadly the US never learned that lesson |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I just came across this saying by Ambrose Bierce: "War is God's way of |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You're right |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
50. It wasn't just the DLC, how many Senators backed John Kerry |
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Dennis Donovan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. A "strong defense" doesn't ensure security. A "smart defense" does... |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
29. Canada's leaders don't need to promise that |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Can't disagree |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. You're in Japan, aren't you? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. I was, and Art_from_Ark currently lives there |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
33. By the way, the other day Paul Krugman deplored the way states are cutting |
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Uzybone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. Yes, to get elected |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-31-08 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
37. More RW/NeoCon Crap...is what I think they are doing...but it always seems to work... |
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DerekG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
41. We live in an empire, no? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yes, as I mentioned on another thread |
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DerekG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 12:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. There are no messiahs |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jan-01-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. It has always struck me as naive when people act as if Obama will make it all better |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
48. Of course. "The Home of the Brave" is terrified of bogeymen. |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-02-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
52. Only if you have a defense contractor in your district or you are a bombing target. |
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