Well 82 percent approval says to me Barack's getting it right.

[cooolandrew]

I mean despite the controversy of choosing Rick Warren, 82 percent says Barack is ticking all the boxes with Americans and his only impediment would by all accounts be some Democratic voters. Barack is a brilliant man and sometimes it works best to just let that brilliance unfold. Republicans as much as they have tried to resist it or turn away from it, have witnessed the world's approval of Barack. They would of been thanked on their facebook and praised on their trips abroad. For the first time in a long time we have their attention. They see that, as Rick Warren see that the momentum is ours, the time is now to sit back and enjoy the ride. I feel sometimes Barack keeps his message simple not to scare away low information voters but there is an intellect with this man that even outwits most on our side. The times are truly a changing beyond what we could of even hoped for.

I mean one of the arguments is Rick's word produces hostility in right wingers but at 82 percent who is fighting us but ourselves. Hell with stats like that even Bush and Cheney must be cheering him on really. Enjoy the new era, it's going to be great and have a great christmas.

[varkam]

1. What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right.

Not that I agree or disagree with your conclusion, but I just thought I would point out the folly inherent in using polls to bolster the argument of the righteousness (or otherwise) of certain modes of operation.

[cooolandrew]

14. With the division so long and so deep, for me just myself. I would say someone getting it right. All

welcome to disagree.

[TahitiNut]

2. So, I guess Obama's impeachment is off the table?

:hide:

[SoCalDem]

4. ...

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

7. ...

:evilgrin:

(Somebody had to say it.)

[cooolandrew]

8. I wouldn't know what is on or off the table in all certainty but for the first time in a long time >

most of the servings will good and tasty.

[cliffordu]

13. OH, I dunno, Ab-gate hasn't hit the fan yet.....

I understand he has been doing extra crunches to show off for the press.


Pure pander to the fanboi paparazzi.

[TahitiNut]

28. Just wait for tobacco-gate, though.

:scared:

[cliffordu]

31. OMFG!!!!11 !111 !!! !!! ELEVENS!!!!

[MADem]

3. He hasn't DONE anything. Many Presidents have honeymoon approval ratings.

And they also have massive bumps during crises.

I was one of the nine or ten percent who didn't go along with Bush's 91 percent approval rating after Nahn Wun Wun.

I suspect the numbers will come down once he starts to "do stuff." It's how it works.

[cooolandrew]

9. Let's go back to '92 Clinton arrived in similar circumstance with ratings in the 60s According to>

the article I read here earlier. At some point surely Barack needs at least a tiny bit of credit.

[MADem]

16. Getting sixty percent when you didn't even have fifty to win is a fair leap.

That was a three way race. And the right wasted no time in going after Clinton, he was taking blows from NOV 5 onward.

Barack is cozying up to the right with this Warren thing, so they're inclined to be a bit more sunny towards him then they otherwise might.

All I'm saying is don't be surprised if the numbers don't hold.

[bvar22]

53. Bush & Cheney also get some of the credit.

Only the hardcore Wingnut 20% would not approve of Obama at this point.

[scarletwoman]

5. Damn straight! Following the crowd is the way to go! (nt)

[cooolandrew]

10. OK 1 perspective I would interpret 80 percent to read the crowd following us and I hear them on>

liberal radio too, they are opening their eyes. I read it as a good thing, myself personally.

[TahitiNut]

6. The requested URL /discuss/www.members.aol.com/themanwithnochin/mac.jpg was not found on this server

You know that AOL closed down its web spaces, didn't you?

[cooolandrew]

12. I just haven't changed it in ages and I've been here for q while to say whether I'm for or >

against Democrats otherwise not sure hat you mean.

[Newsjock]

11. Thank you for telling me that I don't matter at Christmas

The place is dripping with holiday spirit. May the voters decide to randomly take away some of your rights.

[cooolandrew]

15. I can only apologize if you felt that was my message, but just for me myself I see optimism >

in this outcome not for a second that my view has any more weight over yours.

[silverojo]

32. Hello, Obama wasn't in California voting for Prop 8

This whole "blame Obama for gay marriage being outlawed in California" thing is starting to sound like Bush's "Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11."

You're taking two separate incidents and claiming they're one and the same.

And you said it yourself, it was the VOTERS who did it. Blame them for being bigoted and/or confused by the unclear wording on the ballot.

Nobody said you don't matter at Christmas. Where in the People's Republic of Paranoia did you pull that conclusion out of your ass?

We at DU support gay marriage. QUIT ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON YOUR SIDE!!!

[greguganus]

34. Can we blame Obama for not rejecting Warren, or was it those pesky voters again? n/t

[NaturalHigh]

52. Just where did anyone say that?

:banghead:

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. Careful Andrew, don't you know we're all supposed to throw shoes at Obama?

A positive Obama thread is certainly a rarity around here these days. Good luck with that. Recommended.

[Lex]

18. Let's settle down. Bush had a high approval rating too & people were wrong then.

Going by how high the approval rating is, isn't always the best method of determining what's correct, only what's popular.

[Tarheel_Dem]

21. I guess "correct" is in the eye of the beholder, and 82% of beholders

seem to agree with the Pres Elect. Sorry.......:cry:

[Lex]

22. Just like Bush was correct, eh?

Back when he had 80+ approval?

[Tarheel_Dem]

23. Bush never had an 80% approval rating in "transition". More strawmen.

You're running out of arguments to justify your hatred. But you are definitely in the minority.

[Lex]

24. Bush also had an 80%+ approval rating.

What I said was accurate.

And you don't understand the meaning of what constitutes a strawman. Look it up.

[Name removed]

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[TahitiNut]

59. Yes, Lex. Obama = Bush. Of course he is. Uh-huh.

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

27. (Transition) Obama: 82%, Clinton: 67%, Bush43: 65%,

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/12/24/cnn-poll-obama-transition-draws-approval-of-4-in-5-americans/#more-33485

:shrug:

[madrchsod]

19. what has obama done right in his presidency to warrant an 82%?

[noamnety]

20. What did the prop 8 vote say to you? (nt)

[Bluebear]

29. Majority rule's!!!!111

[NaturalHigh]

51. Did Obama campaign for it?

If not, what does Proposition 8 have to do with this?

[noamnety]

54. I just figured if a high approval rate means something is right

you must feel the vote for prop 8 means it's right.

Or perhaps there's some sort of flaw in the logic, if the logic only holds up when the argument is about obama?

[NaturalHigh]

57. Oh, good grief.

Yes, I forgot that everything is supposed to be about Proposition 8 and Rick Warren now. Forgive me for not showing the proper amount of outrage necessary to fit into the upper eschelons of "progressive" thought. Rather than thinking that Obama has done a great job so far putting together a transition team, I should be seething that he offended some in some way. After all, nobody should ever be offended, unless they somehow disagree with you.

It's amazing that Democrats can even find someone to run for office, given the amount of backbiting they can expect when they get elected.

[kentuck]

26. He hasn't started his job yet...

Should we not wait and reserve judgment??

[Joe Fields]

30. So what? 50% of the idiots in this country voted for W....

Almost 50% voted for McCain. Does that mean they were half right?

[cali]

33. Here's why this is such a big deal: If Obama can take advantage

of his high approval ratings, he can push through a lot of legislation. One hopes that it's the legislation this country needs and not what corporate America wants.

[JohnnieGordon]

35. Honeymoon period following worst president ever, 82% not overly surprising..nt

[Double T]

36. Selecting Rick Warren may have been one of the many smarter things.......

BO has done; it may have brought a whole OTHER segment of the population under his tent. It isn't just about 'us'; it is about ALL of 'US'. BO will do GREAT things, I'm counting on that.

[kevinbgoode]

37. And, of course, it doesn't matter about those of "us" who felt

thrown out of the tent because of that heinous act. There are many people who now feel betrayed by this election.

[Double T]

38. No one has been thrown out of the tent. Your intolerance of other's thoughts and ideas........

is the same kind of stuff our government has practiced for the last eight years. The hardcore left, like the hardcore right, are their own worst enemies.

[antipode]

44. You know...turning the other cheek will generally get you

a six iron up the ass.

[Double T]

46. YOU are right. That is why I wear armor plated underwear.

[kevinbgoode]

55. What an interesting concept. It wasn't exactly my community

which actively campaigns to amend constitutions to remove YOUR rights. But the fact that you consider being offended by that act as "intolerance of other's thoughts and ideas" - which apparently include those thoughts and ideas which remove MY rights is astounding.

We were thrown out of that tent when President "Separate but Equal" Obama publicly expressed his marriage segregation position. And that position was used by the "hardcore Right" in the campaign to REMOVE rights of others.

I am intolerant of one thing - that "another's thoughts and ideas" about my rights can force mine to be interpreted a less than your own. That interpretation is the stated position of this heterosupremacist President-Elect.

[NaturalHigh]

50. You've got to be kidding.

Thrown out of the tent? By whom, may I ask?

Just because you voted for the guy doesn't mean he's going to call and consult you and give in to every one of your personal whims.

[antipode]

43. Oh, by all means let's extend the welcome hand to ignorant bigots.

:puke:

[Double T]

45. Tolerance has nothing to do with rolling out the welcome mat.

I'm suggesting tolerance, spare the welcome mat and hand.

[bigtree]

39. It's fine for an election, but irrelevant for those who are waiting for the resolution to issues

. . . and wondering about the effect of his future approaches in our political system against the entrenched and obstructive opposition.

More accurate would be a poll on how the public views his potential to effect the issues they care about.

[cali]

40. to the contrary. It's politics 101 that having

the general public with you is the best way to cut through the opposition and pass legislation. Now whether he'll do that or not, remains to be seen.

[bigtree]

41. not with the present crowd

. . . they haven't bothered to notice or care about the public opinion so far and I really don't expect them to now. I do expect for them to pretend to.

[antipode]

42. Where does the 82% figure come from?

I am just wondering, not disbelieving!

[shadowknows69]

47. If there's anything I've learned in the last decade

It's that if the official state squawk box (read TV) says something, particularly in the form of a percentage or poll, then I can be fairly certian the numbers are skewed from the actual truth.

[Toasterlad]

48. Yes, Because the Majority Is Always Right!

I learned that in California.

[NaturalHigh]

49. Yes, but we all know that some just need to feel outraged to keep going.

[kevinbgoode]

56. Yes. . .how outrageous of them to point out the divisive

agenda of the incoming Administration when it comes to the gay community. This is, after all, a heterosupremacist President-elect - and everyone seen as second-class needs to just shut up and join together for the good of the heterosupremacists.

[NaturalHigh]

58. Have it your way.

I'm very pleased with Obama's performance as president-elect, much more than I thought I would be. You obviously have a different opinion. Anything more that I could say would just peg your outrage meter again, so I won't bother.