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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:35 PM
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SY HERSH: Al Qaeda back on our friends list for Iran War?
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 04:03 PM by yurbud

THE REDIRECTION
by SEYMOUR M. HERSH
Is the Administration’s new policy benefitting our enemies in the war on terrorism?
Issue of 2007-03-05
Posted 2007-02-25


EXCERPTS:

Saudi Al Qaeda history


Nasr compared the current situation to the period in which Al Qaeda first emerged. In the nineteen-eighties and the early nineties, the Saudi government offered to subsidize the covert American C.I.A. proxy war against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Hundreds of young Saudis were sent into the border areas of Pakistan, where they set up religious schools, training bases, and recruiting facilities. Then, as now, many of the operatives who were paid with Saudi money were Salafis. Among them, of course, were Osama bin Laden and his associates, who founded Al Qaeda, in 1988.

***
Saudia Al Qaeda future

To undermine Iran, which is predominantly Shiite, the Bush Administration has decided, in effect, to reconfigure its priorities in the Middle East. In Lebanon, the Administration has coöperated with Saudi Arabia’s government, which is Sunni, in clandestine operations that are intended to weaken Hezbollah, the Shiite organization that is backed by Iran. The U.S. has also taken part in clandestine operations aimed at Iran and its ally Syria. A by-product of these activities has been the bolstering of Sunni extremist groups that espouse a militant vision of Islam and are hostile to America and sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

One contradictory aspect of the new strategy is that, in Iraq, most of the insurgent violence directed at the American military has come from Sunni forces, and not from Shiites. But, from the Administration’s perspective, the most profound—and unintended—strategic consequence of the Iraq war is the empowerment of Iran. Its President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has made defiant pronouncements about the destruction of Israel and his country’s right to pursue its nuclear program, and last week its supreme religious leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said on state television that “realities in the region show that the arrogant front, headed by the U.S. and its allies, will be the principal loser in the region.”

FULL TEXT:


http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/070305fa_fact_hersh


After a brief stint on the outs, from the mid-90s to 9/11, Sunni jihadis aka Al Qaeda, has become useful again, just as they and the Afghan Taliban were when we wanted to chase the Soviets out of Afghanistan.

The story comes from Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Sy Hersh, who broke the My Lai story, and has been ahead of the curve and accurate on Bush's war plans for Iran.

He also mentions Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia as our liaison to these forces.

Bandar has admitted Saudi support for Al Qaeda and setting up a car bombing for us during our brief military presence in Lebanon in the 80s.

Saudi money to Al Qaeda:
(towards the end, he claims it is to make them go away)
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/etc/script.html
Hersh on Saudi money:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/011022fa_FACT1

help with a car bomb:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/interviews/woodward.html

The Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 found that Saudi intelligence had direct links to at least two of the 9/11 hijackers. I have to wonder if these guys were ever on the outs with us, or simply serving as skins instead of shirts for one game before shifting back.
http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2007/02/probe-this-sen-bob-graham-said-two-911.html

This is part of a growing list of things undisputed things in the public record that show that our military action in the Middle East has anything to do with a "War on Terror." Here's a couple of others:


  1. Teaching democracy by ignoring public opinion. Every poll taken of Iraqis has shown that they want our troops to leave. This is rarely mentioned in our TV news though it was covered in USA Today and the Washington Post, and some of the polls were done by the Bush appointed Coalition Provisional Authority and the British Ministry of Defense.
    http://whatiraqiswant.blogspot.com

    The war in Iraq has also harmed not helped our reputation in the Arab & Muslim world, where they impolitely notice we support dictators when it suits us like the presidents of Pakistan, Egypt, and one of the least democratic and most oppressive countries on earth, Saudi Arabia.
    http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2006/06/world-opinion-of-us-falls-again.html
    http://professorsmartass.blogspot.com/2005/10/pew-polls-of-arab-world-attitude.html

    Some might also notice our friendship with the dictator in Uzbekistan who boils his political opponents alive.

    Unlike Americans, Arabs have no idealistic illusions about spreading democracy or fighting terrorism as motives for our war in Iraq. They figure it is about oil. The Bushies are doing nothing to disabuse them of that idea.

  2. Forcing unfair oil deals on Iraq that they wouldn't accept without a gun to their head. The oil deals and Hydrocarbon Law the oil companies and Bushies are forcing on the Iraqis give the bulk of the profits to our oil companies (who don't have a good track record of sharing with us, do they?). Other oil rich countries with easily accessible oil like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, or Iran would never accept deals like this absent a military occupation.

    If we were concerned about reducing terrorism, wouldn't we want oil deals in Iraq that couldn't even be suspected of being exploitive?

    The chances of that may have been dashed as soon as Bush cancelled Saddam's oil contracts with Russia, France, and others, gave them to American corporations, then signed an executive order saying those companies couldn't be sued by anyone anywhere over pumping Iraq's oil.

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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 03:54 PM
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1. So, one thing this means is . . .
The U.S. is double-crossing the Iraqi Shia, which leads the government that "we" are backing.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:02 PM
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2. I think it's always been a matter of...
winning the prize...whatever it takes.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:22 PM
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4. Yep. Prety much puts the lie to "Support our troops" doesn't it.
Edited on Sun Feb-25-07 04:28 PM by patrice
If we're encouraging the Sunni insurgency by under-mining the Shia government, our soldiers pay. I know that's not directly undermining the Iraq government, but since Shia are the minority overall, alliances with other countries (in this case Shia Iran) makes them stronger.

If this means nothing to the American People, we are INDEED lost.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:57 PM
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5. if Bush raped and ate people's children in front of them, I'm not sure they'd know it was wrong
until Rush Limbaugh said so fifty times a day for fifty days.

This tory will likely be a rock in the pond of public debate that leaves no ripples like the other two I mentioned, or Saudi involvement in 9/11.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:12 PM
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6. I do not believe..
that it makes any difference at all which faction rules Iraq, as long as the oil contracts are signed. Who knows what's going on in that country, and who is really killing who? The targeting of independent journalists has put a damper on any news that has not been filtered through the military. There are over 100,000 security contractors working in the country...that are known. Shia/Sunni differences may make things nice and tidy to spin a story, but this war is about resources, and whenever that vital interest is left out of a story, in my mind the story is not credible.
World Story
RSS
Allies pressure Iraq to hand over oil
5:00AM Monday February 26, 2007

LONDON - Baghdad is under pressure from Britain and the United States to pass an oil law which would hand long-term control of Iraq's energy assets to foreign multinationals, according to campaigners.

Iraqi trades unions have called for the country's oil reserves - the second-largest in the world - to be kept in public hands. But a leaked draft of the oil law shows that the Government would sign away the right to exploit its untapped fields in so-called exploration contracts, which could be extended for more than 30 years.

British Foreign Office Minister Kim Howells has admitted that the Government has discussed the wording of the Iraqi law with Britain's oil giants.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10425776
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 11:25 PM
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8. yep. Frankly, I don't give much weight to sectarian stories one way or the other for that reason
it might be internally motivated or it might be divide and conquer, but if you try to figure out who's blowing up who, you miss the real story of who is stealing from who.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 04:07 PM
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3. this seems to back the "crazy-incompetent" as opposed to "crazy like a fox" analysis of Bushies
They are holding onto Iraq by the nail of their pinky finger, and this is asking someone to step on it, so they can grab Iran, something they have even less chance of holding on to.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-25-07 08:17 PM
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7. According to Hersh.....
New Yorker columnist Sy Hersh says the “single most explosive” element of his latest article involves an effort by the Bush administration to stem the growth of Shiite influence in the Middle East (specifically the Iranian government and Hezbollah in Lebanon) by funding violent Sunni groups.

Hersh says the U.S. has been “pumping money, a great deal of money, without congressional authority, without any congressional oversight” for covert operations in the Middle East where it wants to “stop the Shiite spread or the Shiite influence.” Hersh says these funds have ended up in the hands of “three Sunni jihadist groups” who are “connected to al Qaeda” but “want to take on Hezbollah.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/25/hersh-qaeda/
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 12:34 AM
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9. 2 years ago from Asia Times
US fights back against 'rule by clerics'
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

Feb 15, 2005

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GB15Ak02.html

snip>>

"Of these calls for autonomy or federalism, the most disconcerting for US authorities is the call for religious rule. Already, leading Shi'ite clerics in Iraq are pushing for "Islam to be recognized as the guiding principle of the new constitution".

To head off this threat of a Shi'ite clergy-driven religious movement, the US has, according to Asia Times Online investigations, resolved to arm small militias backed by US troops and entrenched in the population to "nip the evil in the bud".

Asia Times Online has learned that in a highly clandestine operation, the US has procured Pakistan-manufactured weapons, including rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, ammunition, rockets and other light weaponry. Consignments have been loaded in bulk onto US military cargo aircraft at Chaklala airbase in the past few weeks. The aircraft arrived from and departed for Iraq.

The US-armed and supported militias in the south will comprise former members of the Ba'ath Party, which has already split into three factions, only one of which is pro-Saddam Hussein. They would be expected to receive assistance from pro-US interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's Iraqi National Accord."
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 02:10 AM
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10. shia, sunni, Ba'athist...I'm feeling left out! When do I get my arms from the Bushies?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 09:54 PM
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11. 200,000 AK-47s Shipped From the US to Iraq, Missing...
Maybe you could have had one of these? Another story that seemed to die, maybe it was false.
http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=2006051018191111


Perhaps Hersch and the author at Asia Times should compare notes, same program or a new one???
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 02:58 AM
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13. I don't have them and I'm not selling them on eBay in lots of 50 with only seven minures left and no
reserve.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-26-07 10:02 PM
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12. God. Just how f*ed up is this?
Maybe one day we'll get the truth about this period in our history.

:banghead:
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-27-07 10:30 AM
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14. Good work....bookmarking ...........SEYMOUR M. HERSH
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