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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:43 AM Original message |
Openly Gay Oxnard Junior High Student Declared Brain Dead After Being Shot at School Tuesday |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Mistake? |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. The gun nuts will conveniently ignore this one. nt |
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Brigid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Of course they will. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
99. Of course, those are excellent reasons... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. And the anti-gun nuts will roll around in his blood and smear their faces |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Your mind is...um....fascinating. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. What can I say --- you're inspiring. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
53. Thanks. You'll be seeing plenty more! nt |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
114. Says the person that was using this by the second post... |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #114 |
143. Hear! Hear! |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
23. tough shit |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #11 |
24. The blood keeps flowing because gun nuts balk at even rudimentary gun laws |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Would it matter much to you if this boy was bludgeoned to death |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. If the kid had come at him with a baseball bat, he would have had more chance to escape. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I see hatred for cross gendered folks as the core of this problem. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
102. Hyperbole much? |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
176. I see the UK having significantly fewer murders. |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:18 AM Response to Reply #176 |
195. And the extra cops that Clinton put on the street |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:31 AM Response to Reply #102 |
198. violence was reduced |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
109. Easy access to guns.... |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #109 |
135. Uhh where are you getting that? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #135 |
144. Good question |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #144 |
168. maybe I am reading your wrong |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #30 |
208. Yeah, we know. It wouldn't matter at all if he was bludgeoned instead |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #208 |
216. wtf are you talking about? |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Please elaborate. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. Handguns are illegal for civilians in many countries - I think that's a start. |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Please explain. |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. "It can't be done"! "It can't be done"! |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
66. I did not claim that anything was impossible. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
90. what prohibition has ever worked? |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
70. It would take decades to be effectively implemented, and it would never be perfect... |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. You have not addressed all of my inquiries. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Why am I obligated to answer your silly inquiries? |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #78 |
112. I did not state that you were obligated to answer any inquiries. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:47 AM Response to Reply #70 |
200. "people would still have the right to defend themselves with rifles" |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #58 |
180. You are wasting your time.. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #180 |
213. Yes. Liberals shouldn't be allowed on a liberal site at all, should we? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
89. illegal guns |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:33 AM Response to Reply #47 |
199. some dude |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Every gun starts it's life as a legal instrument. |
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Dimensio0 (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Your reply does not address my inquiry. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #54 |
93. no they make themselves into criminals |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
142. Information about gun laws in California |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #142 |
206. The irony is unbounded |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
31. this kid is dead and you're railing against the "Anti-gun nuts"? WTF is wrong with you? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. My post countered someone else who was exploiting this tragedy to score anti-gun politic points. |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. gawd forbid you just let it go. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I wish no one brought up gun politics in this thread and instead we concentrated on the core issue - |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. both issues are relevant here. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. I understand your point of view too. |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I agree - it isn't about the guns it's about bullying |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. Bullies without guns are far less likely to kill somebody. nt |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
138. Don't be so sure the two are unrelated |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #138 |
147. If we dealt with the issue of bullying, guns wouldn't be such a big factor |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #147 |
169. One could turn that around |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
203. What a sick lil mind you have |
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BoneDaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
204. Duplicate |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
209. Seem you are more the type who enjoys rolling around in blood. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. would you have felt better if |
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slutticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
86. And if the weapon had been a knife? Or a bat? |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. Pink Pistols |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. A fatal mistake |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
212. Exactly. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
124. Sure doesn't sound like a mistake |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #124 |
210. Trust me. It was no mistake. |
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piesRsquare (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
182. Knock it off! |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #182 |
207. What? It's just a gay kid was killed. No big deal. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
3. Ok, tell me about the "special rights" thing again? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
154. "Special Rights" |
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Fridays Child (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
4. Fuck! |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
5. Holy shit.... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
98. this is really fucked up |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
7. Wonder what 'church' the shooter attends. What lessons we teach. |
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reformedrethug (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. All you need to do |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. It's nice that your personal experiences allowed you |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. The kid murdered another kid because he didn't "approve" of his lifestyle... |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
156. Your faith in the new media is fascinating. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
29. About 95% of the fundamentalist churches believe that homosexuality is a sin and say it loud and |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #29 |
52. Approximately 99% of Protestant Churches |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
65. My point is that intolerance of gays is taught. It is taught by parents, primarily, but they |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. I'm sure that they're out there... |
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Withywindle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. That's a very important point. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
101. what perecentage |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #29 |
155. Plenty of non-fundamentalist churches teach that as well |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
100. people that bash all churches |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. I have problems with this all around. |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
211. At least he has his life... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
12. while this make me incredibly angry on the one hand -- it makes me very sad and thoughful |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
21. "extreme -- or flamboyant" |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. you have my gratitude for some humour in this grim moment. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
104. being flamboyant |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
125. Isn't it strange? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. I know. Women can "cross dress", men can't. I had flamboyent young men |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. LOL |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:41 AM Response to Reply #129 |
190. Only straight women can 'cross-dress'. It's only okay if you don't mean it. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #190 |
218. I wear lumberjack/cowboy clothes, jeans and flannel shirts. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
183. You said it |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
14. Its a terrible tragedy ---far too many kids suffer because of their peers insecuritites about gender |
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jaksavage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
15. Where did he get the gun? |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. Good question. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
16. The little murderer should be tried as an adult and imprisoned for life |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I agree. nt |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Now, there's the attitude I don't understand. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #22 |
36. "education and treatment"? Gimme a fucking break...he murdered another child... |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. Nice, understanding and religious attitude there. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #56 |
75. Wrong. He's a murderer that made a concious decision to kill another human being... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Frying the kid won't bring back the dead victim. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. You're right. That's not what punishment is for. It's to make sure he doesn't do it again... |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #82 |
115. how would they kill |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Why should the taxpayers be forced to feed, clothe and house him. He's a murderer. Bye-bye. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Yes...let's make the victim's family pay taxes to take care of the |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #123 |
149. you ignore that innocents are convicted of murder |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #117 |
130. If you ask that, then why don't you ask why we have prisons for murderers/rapers/etc. at all? |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #130 |
151. one of the great things president Chirac did |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #117 |
137. innocent people |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #117 |
177. Capital cases take years or even decades and cost a LOT more taxpayer money than incarceration. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
87. I'd rather study the murderer to find out what caused him to do this. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #87 |
107. I'd rather go after the parents. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #107 |
120. You may be right, but i prefer to focus my energy on the prevention aspect. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. Unfortunately, the time for prevention education is BEFORE |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
111. fry him? |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. I know...why don't we just make sure the little angel |
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Wind Dancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
167. Sigh! |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
60. Oh please |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #60 |
68. When that person is under 18, |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
113. he had no problem writing off a human being. |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #113 |
172. Another one being deliberately obtuse. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #172 |
184. And what mistake did the victim make? |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Nope. |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Agree, but the kid needs serious rehibilitation and there should be a way to hold him indefinitly |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Screw that... |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I think that the death penalty is abhorrent, |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #39 |
71. So now we're supposed to execute children - children - with the barbarity of the electric chair |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. I'm sorry what part of the crime of murder did you NOT understand? |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. He is a child. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. ..."he's a child"...that KILLED SOMEONE...wer're not talking about stealing his lunch money... |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. I understand fully what he did and all of its various implications. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #88 |
110. Wow...you are just completely glossing over the whole SHOT SOMEONE TO DEATH part of this... |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #110 |
175. I have two children so don't tell me I can't imagine what this kid's parents are going through. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #77 |
92. I could just as easily ask you what part of *child* you don't understand |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Agree 100% |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #92 |
108. That's complete and utter bullshit. When my kid was 14 they knew that MURDERING someone was NOT okay |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #108 |
136. Maybe we should execute 12-year-olds then? |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #136 |
178. Maybe we should execute newborns who murder their mothers by being born. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
119. there is a difference between |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
128. And yet he's still a child. There's a reason that we legally distinguish between |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 07:54 AM Response to Reply #128 |
201. I agree |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
116. natural life in prison |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Very true. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
122. I don't believe in trying kids as adults. NT |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 07:58 AM Response to Reply #16 |
202. Yes, indeed. He should get a kick out of prison. |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
25. I wish his family peace |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
192. He doesn't seem to have a family. The victim lived in a center for abused and neglected kids. |
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Irishonly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #192 |
205. I Didn't See That Part |
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Celeborn Skywalker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. How horrible! |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
28. omg there are no words. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
45. This is why |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
46. How awful |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
50. And that is what the power of the religous right breeds |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. And acute paranoia. nt |
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TCJ70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
74. We don't know anything about this kid... |
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mcctatas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
146. That may be... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:30 AM Response to Reply #74 |
187. Oh good god. Here come the apologists. |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
57. Junior high school is the North Korea of our society... you simply cannot |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. It's funny that Jr. High is so much worse than High School |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
61. What a horrible, horrible thing. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
63. Just tears. |
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Steerpike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
67. I could just cry. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
81. just one more reason why school uniforms make sense. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. You know, I'm all for school uniforms, but... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. i'm not blaming the victim for his choice of attire. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #91 |
174. The implication was that the clothing was the problem, and it clearly is not. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #81 |
94. In that case, he'd probably have worn the girls' uniform |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
121. you have got to be kidding |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #121 |
161. not at all. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #161 |
170. what reasons would that be? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #170 |
181. trying to stem social stratification is probably the biggest reason. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #181 |
188. And when he painted his fingernails, he still would've been murdered. /nt |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:07 AM Response to Reply #181 |
194. Thank every god in heaven |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 05:44 AM Response to Reply #181 |
197. my parents were against it |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #81 |
152. Sure, blame the victim for getting murdered by a homophobe |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #152 |
160. i'm not blaming the victim. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Yes, he would have |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #162 |
164. on that particular day, he was killed because of what he wore. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:44 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. I read the article |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:59 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. and you're entitled to your opinion... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #166 |
189. Hers is an educated opinion based on actually knowing transgendered youth. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
96. He played on the basketball team?! |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:59 AM Response to Reply #96 |
193. Nah, I think it was the killer that played on the basketball team, not the victim. |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
103. Those that taught this boy to hate |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
105. Oh no! Poor baby! *cry* |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
106. Those that taught this boy to hate |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #106 |
127. Amen to that. nt |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
153. They're probably angry that he's being punished |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
131. Oh hell. My condolences to his family, friends, to Lawrence. |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
133. I have kids from Oxnard in my college classes. It seemed like they were beyond |
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XOKCowboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #133 |
148. I grew up in Oklahoma in the early 70s and we had an openly gay student in HS |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #148 |
179. The Senior class president of my High School in 1981 |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #133 |
157. I have to ask - why is it that people on here always lump regions together? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
134. Boy did this other guy dress funny too... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #134 |
163. he wasn't "dressed funny" for the time- it was the height of fashion. |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 04:22 AM Response to Reply #163 |
196. Do you honestly think making everyone look the same will stop this shit? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #196 |
214. never said it would... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #196 |
219. Friend who attended uniform dress code school really liked it. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #163 |
220. Indeed. And fashion changes. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
139. This is way too sad |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
140. how horribly sad. n/t |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
141. I'm so upset about this story n/t |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
145. How sad that this horrible tragedy |
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Mountainman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
150. delete |
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PlanetBev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
158. I live 20 minutes south of Oxnard |
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hasssan1 (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
159. Very sad, god bless his soul and i hope |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
171. I hope they look at the shooter's parents as accessories |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-14-08 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
173. a sad commentary on our culture- violence as a solution |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
185. What a tragedy |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
186. What a shame that God didn't deliver the victim from his homosexuality in time. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
191. And, the murder victim lived in a center for abused and neglected children. |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-15-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
215. god, how heartbreaking. at least this hate crime made the news... |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 04:08 AM Response to Reply #215 |
217. It didn't make it as a hate crime, though, and the news was all local except for |
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countryjake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-16-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #217 |
221. I heard about Lawrence King on CNN on wed. but they called it a "personal beef"... |
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