NBC: 9/11 Commission KNEW About Torture: TORTURE "Done Specifically" To Answer THEIR Questions!!!

[kpete]

9/11 Commission Aware of CIA Torture
by MagisterLudi
Thu Jan 31, 2008 at 02:02:10 PM PST

. NBC News Deep Background is reporting a new controversy with the 9/11 Commission. The commission members suspected that "critical information" in its report was obtained from "enhanced interrogation techniques". As such, the information and possibly some of the conclusions of the commission might be suspect.

The 9/11 Commission suspected that critical information it used in its landmark report was the product of harsh interrogations of al-Qaida operatives - interrogations that many critics have labeled torture. Yet, commission staffers never questioned the agency about the interrogation techniques and in fact ordered a second round of interrogations specifically to ask additional questions of the same operatives, NBC News has learned.

Those conclusions are the result of an extensive NBC News analysis of the 9/11 Commission’s Final Report and interviews with Commission staffers and current and former U.S. intelligence officials.

The analysis shows that much of what was reported about the planning and execution of the terror attacks on New York and Washington was derived from the interrogations of high-ranking al-Qaida operatives. Each had been subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques." Some were even subjected to waterboarding, the most controversial of the techniques, which simulates drowning.

The NBC News analysis shows that more than one quarter of all footnotes in the 9/11 Report refer to CIA interrogations of al-Qaida operatives who were subjected to the now-controversial interrogation techniques. In fact, information derived from the interrogations is central to the Report’s most critical chapters, those on the planning and execution of the attacks. The analysis also shows - and agency and commission staffers concur - there was a separate, second round of interrogations in early 2004, done specifically to answer new questions from the Commission.

more at:
http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/01/30/624314.aspx
via:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/1/31/164135/860/340/447142

[hisownpetard]

1. 5th Rec.

[alfredo]

2. I'm so disgusted.

[leftchick]

3. omfg

it gets worse daily. Notice how delicately they word TORTURE SANCTIONED BY THE USA! :puke:

[warren pease]

5. I like "enhanced interrogation techniques" myself...

Makes the whole thing sound so tame. Like when one of the cats brings me the choice part of a fresh rodent because I guess I look like I could use a decent meal and, ungrateful wretch that I am, I raise my voice and say something like, "goddamn it! what the hell is that!"

Just a little more volume than normal, no big deal, they know it's just a game, they know I'm way too much of a pushover to ever even consider disciplining these spoiled little monsters, no matter what they did.

So that's all that's going on at Gitmo, I'm sure. Just a few raised voices, no big deal, nothing to worry about... until somebody shows up with this weird looking board and a plastic bag...


wp

[hootinholler]

12. I'm sure all it took to get the truth was

A sternly worded nonbinding resolution.

-Hoot

[Usrename]

21. That is actually Nazi speak.

They originally coined the term. "Verschärfte Vernehmung."

:scared:

[MasonJar]

4. That report was always suspect because that GOPer shill Zeiholt

(or whatever his name is) was the one who set up the schedule and why those smart dems were too dazzled to exorcize his influence has been an irritant to me since the inception of the process.

[librechik]

9. Silly Cow (Phillip Zelikow) Chief Wizard and Hypnotist for the Cheney Administrations

[derby378]

6. You know what to do at the precinct conventions...

Introduce resolutions blocking or opposing implementation of the 9/11 Commission recommendations until we learn what and how much was information driving the recommendations was obtained via torture.

[aquart]

7. They ordered more torture. They ordered more torture.

Who are we, again?

[kpete]

10. thats

the part that got me down, kp

[RuleOfNah]

11. Want fries with that?

Is it a war crime to order torture but OK if you order out for torture?

[DS1]

29. Well, you could turn the drive through into a car wash

and waterboard a passenger while your fries cook

[defendandprotect]

15. How else could you get anyone to tell the lies they needed to support the 9/11 myth --- ????

What a joke --- !!!

The only way these people have come to power is thru corruption of our system by criminal political violence over decades and decades ---

[Sam Ervin jret]

8. This would shock my conscience if it were not in a permanent state of PTSD

after seven years of BUSH CO.:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :cry: :cry: :cry: :hide: :hide:

it's almost over, I think:grouphug: :grouphug:

[gratuitous]

13. Remind me again

How the United States has the moral high ground in the global war on terrorism? Because watching the machinations of our government, I keep forgetting. Someone tell me how honorable and noble and all that stuff our government officials, and intelligence folks, and military personnel are? Because it's just getting harder and harder for me to distinguish them from the rogues, thugs, and bad actors we're supposed to be making war against.

[wildbilln864]

14. k&r #24! n/t

[Lugnut]

16. Disgusting. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

17. The section you quoted doesn't say that the 9/11 commission knew what techniques...

...were being used in the interrogations.

[EFerrari]

19. They knew, Eric.

"We were not aware, but we guessed, that things like that were going on," Philip Zelikow, the 9/11 Commission executive director, told NBC News. "We were wary…we tried to find different sources to enhance our credibility."

[EFerrari]

18. Dirty from start to finish. This is the icing. n/t

[Supersedeas]

35. might every member of that commission be subject to War Crimes prosecution

[EFerrari]

36. If we still had a Justice system they might be.

:shrug:

[Oilwellian]

20. Gee....

I wonder if they got to watch? Sickening.

[Usrename]

22. To me, that means all the signatories to that report are criminals.

The United Nations Convention Against Torture:

Article 15

Each State Party shall ensure that any statement which is established to have been made as a result of torture shall not be invoked as evidence in any proceedings, except against a person accused of torture as evidence that the statement was made.

I wish we still employed stocks in the public sqare to punish these people.

[donheld]

23. This country just gets more bizarre all the time. n/t

[leveymg]

24. Did CIA lie to the 9/11 Commission or the 9/11 Commission Lie about what it knew about the CIA?

Both? Any way you look at it, this does nothing for the credibility of the 9/11 Report.

How does this now square with earlier reports the Commissioners were complaining the CIA witheld torture-derived interrogation data? See: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/24/911-commission-chair-n_n_78164.html?view=print


Think Progress | December 24, 2007 01:55 PM


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In its attempts to uncover all materials related to the 9/11 attacks, the 9/11 Commission specifically requested material about the interrogations of Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. The New York Times has revealed that the CIA destroyed tapes of the two men's interrogation without informing the 9/11 Commission about their existence.

On Saturday, former CIA Deputy Director John McLaughlin told CNN:

I think it's ludicrous to suggest, in fact, that we withheld anything of consequence from the 9/11 Commission. Anything that was on the tapes that would be relevant to their inquiry was given to them in writing, and the tapes would have simply not advanced their inquiry at all.

[EFerrari]

37. Is THIS why the CIA tape story is a problem?

I don't believe anyone in our government is very troubled by torture unless a CSPAN camera is rolling.

[nealmhughes]

25. It would appear that the Enlightenment is edging away from us daily:

torture, a penchant towards our own India, school districts with "creationism" and "intelligent design" under review, Rev. Mr. Presidential Candidate and ex-High-Executioner-of-Arkansas Huckabee seriously wanting to amend the Constitution to make it "more in tune with God's laws", Hillary Clinton as a "liberal" anti-war (WTF?) candidate, a public news media from print to radio to the televisors that spew nothing useful except for tripe and the latest institutionalizations of various vacuuous washed up pop stars, Not-Rev. Mr. Presidential Candidate Senator McCain telling us we have to buck for for 100 years of occupation in Mesopotamia, and a dollar worth less than a loonie. Gee, what a great state we find ourselves. Perhaps it is time to petition the EU for oversight of the USA.

[SpiralHawk]

26. MIHOP

Commander AWOL in a prolonged republicon stupor after being told for the second time that America was under attack on 9/11.

[Gonnuts]

40. So, it seems 9/11 conspiracy nuts ...

aren't looking so nutty as time goes by.

For those of you who haven't realized it yet - IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!

And once you realize that everything else comes into focus and the lies become clear and then you can DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Like ask the candidates why they're too stupid to see it themselves?

As long as the lie persists we will NEVER be free.

[Beam Me Up]

47. Damn right it was.

It is WAY PAST TIME for this to come out of the closet.

9/11 was orchestrated by counterintelligence within our own national security networks and implemented by the highest levels of our military command and that is being COVERED UP to this day by everyone including the corporate owned media. We have take-it-to-the-judge-and-jury proof of this. Forget the 'wacky' theories that are out there. We KNOW that the Flight 77 Data Recorder Data ( alleged to have hit the Pentagon) released via an FOIA to Pilots for 9/11 Truth does NOT support the official account of events (the data is faked). We also know there are super-heated metal micro-spheres found inside the WTC dust specimens (evidence of explosives that could not have been caused by burning jet fuel). Along with much else. There is no doubt. The US government and its agencies are covering up what actually happened on 9/11. Elements of the US government has committed high treason, war crimes and crimes against humanity and if we let them get away with this there is no telling what they will do next.

[Norrin Radd]

27. kr

[PerpetuallyDazed]

28. Do you think this will make everyone want to reexamine their shoddy report in depth? n/t

[groovedaddy]

30. My hunch is that the "enhanced interrogation" that happened at the

"black sites" in Europe and elsewhere, went well beyond water boarding. Isn't that what these "renditions" were all about any way? Take them to countries that DO TORTURE and let 'em have at it.

[paparush]

31. Get the Gimp Out of the Box

We've got a few more questions for him.

God, this is disgusting.

Oh, and I like how the operatives were subjected to the "now-controversial interrogation techniques"

IE- They only became controversial when the cat got out of the bag. Before that, they were golden.

Jeebus.

I wonder when the Neocons will introduce their standard uniforms (Hugo Boss design, please). What a lovely shade of brown.

[Twist_U_Up]

32. So basically, the 9/11 report relied on uncorroborated reports of alleged statements made under tort

Geesh who woulda thunk :wtf:

911 was an inside job

[donkeyotay]

33. The whole country is twisting itself into pretzels covering up for

the commander in chief, Dick, and the PNAC junta. Lies piled on lies, and much worse. I wonder how many of our terra color-coded alerts were the direct result of torture.

Trite to say, "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive," but apropos. We should expect a train wreck when the engineer doesn't believe in the limitations of the track.

[Solly Mack]

34. America is a war crime nation

but let's all pretend it isn't...goodness knows people in government are deep into pretending it isn't

[Karenina]

38. America is also a financial crime nation

ties directly in to that war thingy... :hi::loveya::hi:

[Solly Mack]

39. As long as America is only torturing "bad" guys, it's OK

if government gets away with it...and it's OK to torture people and then put out a report every March on the state of human rights in other countries (never addressing your own abuses and crimes)

and it's OK to believe even though America tortures people, it's really "good at heart"

and it's OK to believe that an election can erase the blood of war crimes


I'm sick of it

[opihimoimoi]

41. Reality, it seems, has been banned from America...Look who is sitting in the Oval Office

and tell me if the man is sane?

[Frisbee]

42. K&R

:wtf: Goddamn!, I'm so proud to be an American these days. :sarcasm:

[FATCATs]

43. Some day's in my mind I fantasize

That we would have a REAL INVESTIGATION of 9/11

But then I come to my senses, Flip on D.U and get back to reality

So depressing sometimes

[Beam Me Up]

44. New York Ballot Initiative -- 9/11 investigation

http://www.nyc911initiative.org/

Slim. Hope.

[FATCATs]

45. Thanks for the link Beam

Ya know, It’s like EVERYBODY understands the 9/11 Commission
was a white wash. Yet we as a Nation accept it.

I'll keep my fantasy alive, And with patriots like this working the streets
maybe one day it will happen. Another thing I hate, Mainly from the Right
is the tag of Tin Foil Hat.

Must be nice to live in a world where you only see what you wish to see.

[Beam Me Up]

49. "Tin foil" is just an attempt to trivialize the messenger -- it doesn't

address the message, much less the evidence. See post #47 above.

[bobthedrummer]

46. k&r+ a link to a related article by UN recognized "non-lethal" expert, Cheryl Welsh,

who is a longtime human rights activist against tactics and technologies that attack the human nervous system.

In her latest work she cites University of Wisconsin Professor Alfred McCoy as the "discoveror" of what is called "no touch" torture that results in the destruction of personal identity.

"In Contravention of Conventional Wisdom: CIA 'no touch' torture makes sense out of mind control allegations" by Cheryl Welsh (January 2008)

http://www.mindjustice.org/wisdom.htm

[biermeister]

48. What are you worried about?

They were only torturing terrorists! It's not like they would ever do that to us Americans, right?


pdd 51- the end is near (in case you're paying attention)

[bobthedrummer]

50. kick

[L. Coyote]

51. First they tortured the devil, and noone would defend the devil, then ...

.. when they tortured me, I did not speak out--out of habit by then :rofl: