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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:47 PM
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The Conspiracy Continues-The Democrats and War Funding
The Conspiracy Continues-The Democrats and War Funding
by Ron Jacobs
December 11, 2007

Okay. I'm going to state the obvious here. After all, somebody needs to say it. In fact, everybody who sees it needs to say it. Are you ready? Then here goes. The men and women calling themselves Democrats and sitting in Congress are the biggest bunch of liars this country has ever seen. Given today's political situation, what with Bush and Cheney running the White House, that's a pretty big claim to make. Unfortunately for those who believed those men and women might actually stop the war in Iraq and begin getting the US military out of there, this is the only conclusion one can make.

I mean, take a look. There are more troops in Iraq now than there were when the Democrats won (yeh, won) both houses of Congress a little over a year ago. If my calculations are correct, more than $100 billion have been spent to keep those troops there, keep them in supplies both lethal and otherwise, and to top it off, more troops have died since those elected “representatives” took their places than in any other year of this loathsome war and occupation. Add to this list of calamities the untold numbers of Iraqis killed, wounded and uprooted from their homes. No matter how you look at it, there is no way this can be called ending the war. In fact, not only could it be called enabling this debacle to continue, the more truthful description would be to call what the Democrats have done is conspire to commit murder.

Their partners in the conspiracy—the White House, the Pentagon and their GOP supporters—have been true to their word. They promised that they would stay in Iraq until their goals were reached, no matter how many lives it took. Even without an elected majority in Congress, this element of the conspiracy has received every bit of money, every single GI and marine, and almost every bit of positive media spin they have asked for. This could not have occurred without the collusion of the Democrats.

As I write this, another alleged attempt by Congressional Democrats to begin bringing home a sizable minority of troops from Iraq seems to be going the way of every other previous attempt. That is, to the dustbin of history. The reasons given this time by the Democrats are as pathetic as those provided previously. You know the litany: they don't have the votes, the GOP is threatening a filibuster if the troop withdrawal limits are attached to the bill, they don't want to harm the troops in the field, and so on. Now I don't know about you, but isn't leaving the troops in the war zone more dangerous than bringing them home? Furthermore, if the Republicans can filibuster a spending bill to prevent the inclusion of elements in the bill that they don't like, can't the majority Democrats also filibuster that same bill to make sure those same elements are included?

more at:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=90&ItemID=14476
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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:36 PM
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1. gee, that sentiment sounds vaguely familiar...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:17 PM
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2. This is assuming that they were all elected. But, you know what, hardly a one
of them can prove that they actually were. And you know why? Cuz most of them voted for and enthusiastically supported converting the nation's vote counting system from a process that you could at least see, to a process run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations, that you CAN'T see.

They 'disappeared' the evidence as to whether or not they were really elected. Why would they do that?

Sorry about the rhetorical questions. I will skip to a better mode. J'accuse!

So, here's the deal. Although 70% of the American people hate this war and want it ended, our so-called 'Democratic' Congress wasn't really chosen by the American people. It was chosen by Diebold/ES&S, et al, just like the Diebold I Congress before it (which was also pro-war). So they are not beholden to us. They are beholden to the rightwing Bushite electronic voting corporations who (s)elected 90% or more of them. And they are therefore not trying to respond to us--the vast majority, who want the war ended--they are playing to THEM, to the wingers who control the vote counting--so they can stay in power, with all of its perks.

It seems real obvious to me. I did not expect much more than this kind of behavior from the Diebold II Congress, when people thought we had 'won' in '06. God, I hated to say it. And I don't know if I did, right away. I didn't think there was a chance in hell that they would end the war. And my reason was, not that many of them had voted for the war, but that even more of them had voted for non-transparent vote counting in 2004, and subsequent (s)elections. This occurred in the same month as the Iraq War resolution (Oct 02). I can see making a mistake on the war--or voting to stay alive and keep a career in tact--given the hysteria and palpable fear of that period. I cannot see voting to turn the election system over to Bushites. And even if some felt fear on this matter as well, as the worm started to turn, round about 2005, why didn't they expose this fascist e-voting coup and start warning people about it?

Dead silence. Not a word did they breathe.

It was locked in by then. Fait accompli. Billions of dollars into the pockets of these far rightwing corporations were already filtering through their fingers, and those of their pals in state government. A perfect bind. A perfect loop of corruption and excuses.

I was, however, shocked by how blatant, and how immediate, the betrayal was. Day one: "Impeachment is off the table." Day two (it seemed like): Bush--"Gimme one hundred billion more dollars to keep killin' them Iraqis." Dems--"Ok!"

And it has gone from that to worse.

So, when they trot out the excuse that "we don't have enough votes in Congress" (to impeach, or to end the war), we should be replying: "Then why did you let Bushite corporations count all our votes with secret code, huh?"

We could have given them (and DID give them) the votes in Congress to force the issue in the House (50 seats, instead of 30--and far more antiwar seats). They DIDN'T WANT THEM.

The Senate is a slightly different scene. Only 1/3 of the Senate was up for reelection, so the Senate was harder to change. But with the charging steed of a 50-vote margin in the House, they might have been convinced, and they certainly would have been embarrassed, and their warmongering and war profiteering exposed, and their next elections put in great peril, if they had blockaded the will of the people--on the war, or on impeachment, and other mandate issues.

We need to look at this situation from the other end of the telescope. A corporation that had a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser as CEO--Diebold--and another that has, as a big investor and its initial funder, a far rightwing nutball 'christian' multi-billionaire--ES&S--chose this Congress, just as they chose Bush/Cheney in 2004. Their secret code is not the only factor in elections, of course, but it is the deciding factor. It is the power to determine the outcome, no matter what. And in the case of congressional elections, it is the power to shape the overall tenor of Congress--to add votes here, to nip a few there, to risk a big switch-round in some cases, and be more subtle in others, to tweak people out of the running at the primary stage, to favor "Blue Dogs" (Democratic fascists and militarists) over real Democrats, and to come up with a formula overall that has nearly the exact same impact on Bushite crime and war as the previous Congress: none.

Looking at it from the other end--that the election system was quite obviously and blatantly rigged--things begin to fall into place, and not seem so Alice-in-Wonderlandish. OF COURSE they would behave this way, if they were not really chosen by their constituents (many of them), and/or if they can be easily punished and removed from power by Diebold/ES&S in the next (s)election. This sword of Damocles that hangs over their heads--of 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting--is in ADDITION to many other fascist pressures--fear of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies, fear of Bush Junta spying, blackmail, threats and who knows what else (murder?), fear of political money drying up (millions and millions needed to pay the TV fascists for air time), and so on. It's not just the rigged machines. It's everything else PLUS the rigged machines.

Given THIS other-end-of-the-telescope view, it's surprising that ANYTHING is going on in Congress at all, that actually benefits the American people. A little raise in the minimum wage. A little oversight. Maybe some armor for our soldiers. And it's all a little better as theater. We don't have listen so many Orrin Hatch clones.

I really don't pay much attention to Congress. I wrote them off soon after "Impeachment is off the table" (toyed with the idea that it was a trade for not attacking Iran--don't think that any more), and stopped even caring when I heard that Sen. Diane Feinstein (Bushite Democrat) was in charge of the committee on "election reform." At that point, I decided that our only hope, as a democracy, is election reform at the state/local level--closer to the people. But I may have missed something, and am being unfair to the Diebold II Democrats. Have they accomplished something on our behalf that I haven't mentioned?

And how does whatever I may have missed stack up against, say, losing the right of habeas corpus, or their immunizing Bush & cabal against charges of spying, torture and other high crimes and misdemeanors...or credit card usury and all the rest?

Well, I have been paying SOME attention. Do correct me--anyone out there--if you think this Congress has done anything worthy of the name Democratic, that I didn't mention.

I guess I'm tired of the cries of dismay here at DU, over betrayal after betrayal by this Congress. And I think it's time to demand proof of election from them. We have the most non-transparent vote counting system ever devised outside of Stalinist Russia. Do we have a democracy? Prove it. Show us the ballots.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:43 PM
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4. I just wanted to add one thing in the Democrats' favor, although the issue is not
yet decided.

The "Free Trade" deal that Donald Rumsfeld wants for Colombia, to reward them for chainsawing union leaders and throwing their body parts into mass graves, and as a launching pad for Corporate Resource War II: Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador, all three with leaders, and supporters (the majority of the country), whom Exxon Mobile would like to see thrown out of airplanes, buried alive, chainsawed, whatever.

A faction of Congressional Democrats--those who still believe in unions--are opposed to torture and death for union leaders, small peasant farmers and political leftists, and have thrown a blockade before Rumsfeld's next war ($4 billion for military aid to the chainsawers...ahem "war on drugs," plus lots and lots of "free" Chiquita bananas). But Rumsfeld said, "Boo!" last weekend, in an op-ed in the Washington Ghost, so we will see what happens.

------------------

The Smart Way to Beat Tyrants Like Chávez, By Donald Rumsfeld
Sunday, December 2, 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/30/AR2007113001800.html

Discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x323889

And see this today:
http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN1045054520071211



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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:21 PM
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7. kcik
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:59 PM
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16. "I'm not a Democrat, but I play one on TV"...
What a show, huh?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:40 PM
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29. Even C-span resembles Kabuki theatre these days.
I love the call in segment during Washington Journal
though... especially the republicans who are PISSED off!

BHN
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:28 AM
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19. Kicking this post.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:27 PM
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39. No. We do NOT have a democracy, here.
The rest of your post just obliterates any hope of ever living in one, too.x( I think the matrix was so much simpler to live in.x(
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:33 PM
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3. k&r - come on people, rate this one up!
damn, pay attention.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:12 PM
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5. For a user base publicly put on notice that their recommendations...
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 08:57 PM by Poll_Blind
...can be traced back to the user who made them, I can understand the hesitance!

Still, if it's true, it's true. K&R.

PB
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:17 PM
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6. what do you ...
nevermind, I guess I can't ask.
but will use this as another kick but feel like I'm doing something 'wrong' or something.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:26 PM
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8. I'll ask, what are you talking about? Please elaborate.
Got a link?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:36 PM
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9. It's no secret they can see who recommends what and votes for what.
From the Ahmadinejad kerfuffle. I thought this was common knowledge. (?)
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:38 PM
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10. Sure they can, but that's still a far cry from what you insinuated
(or at least wat I thought you insinuated, which was that they are keeping tabs on everyone)
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:59 PM
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11. No, but after re-reading what I wrote I see how you might have thought that.
I edited the message subject with a more responsible title. This is day two of Tamiflu, Promethazine and IOPHEN-C- I am far from my sharpest, at the moment.
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Solar_Power Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:02 PM
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12. Ds in name only
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:14 PM
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13. Harry Reid pledged a filibuster up/down vote on including a time/frame for leaving Iraq
I know this has been heard before but he claimed he (they) meant business this time. They claim they're no longer giving Bush the 190 billion+ checks as in the past because Bush gave nothing back in return. January, we'll see if Mr. Reed is full of sh*t or not?!?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:49 PM
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14. he's already proven he's full of shit
the question now is how many bushels of it and sad to say some think that 4 bags is great because it could have been 9. ;(
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:56 PM
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15. k&r
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:40 AM
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17. my disgust with Congress is rapidly approaching my disgust with BushCo . . .
Congress are BushCo's enablers . . . he can continue the perpetrate all manner of "high crimes and misdemeanors" only with the help of Congress, and they are all to willing to oblige . . . that they haven't even initiated an impeachment inquiry is clearly an historic dereliction of their sworn duty, and to do so because "we don't have the votes" is disingenuous, misleading, and thoroughly irresponsible . . . put the evidence out there and you WILL have the votes, dammit! . . .
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:52 PM
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24. A lot of that going around...
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:45 PM
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31. It's like one of those movies where...
The victim realizes the calls from the
killer are coming from INSIDE the house.
In our collective case, the calls are coming
from the democratic party.

BHN:scared:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:48 PM
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36. Get out of the party NOW!


:)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 06:50 PM
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37. Exactly!
Question is, where do you hide when "they" are
every where?

BHN
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Solar_Power Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 10:45 PM
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42. and do what?
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:45 AM
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18. K & R
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:25 PM
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20. Lunch time kickaroony!
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notanotherday Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 01:42 PM
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21. well said, the Democrats are enablers and cowards that only want to be re-elected.

It is not going to work for the Democratc party to keep breaking their promises.
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salib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:01 PM
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22. Unfortunately, it all reduces to "Kick the bums out!"
I suspect that even here at DU that is considered "too risky."

So, I guess all the apologists like what we have enough to "live with it" rather than "risk it."

That is morally bankrupt. One more form of bankruptcy that crisis capitalism has wrought.
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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:36 PM
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23. nothing has changed
Just titles have, from kings to presidents its all about the ruling class maintaining their grip on everything. The two party so called democracy is an illusion to keep us feeling as if we have a choice or a vote for that matter!
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 08:40 AM
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44. and they kicked it into high gear with a fraudulent electronic voting system
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:56 PM
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25. KPete, you're a troublemaker.
Thank the Goddess and the God of the Pastafarians for the likes of you.

(BTW, we share a last name. Dunno about you, but I come from a long line of quiet rebels.)
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:11 PM
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38. not so quiet
I just want to SCREAM like everybody else!!!!!!!!!!!!

kpete
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 09:12 PM
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41. Yeah. I'm a lot less quiet than the people in my lineage too.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:19 PM
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26. K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:50 PM
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27. K&R. (nt)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:36 PM
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28. The Democratic Party called my husband this morning.
He told them we would not donate to their general funds until the Democratic "leadership" stopped enabling Bush. We will donate only to progressive Dems. who stand up for us.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:48 PM
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32. Our donations are pocket change to them...
The fucking corporations OWN the party-
their calls are just to mock us.
The bully on the playground shaking the other
kids down for their milk money when his dad
owns the milk company who supplies the school.

Kucinich is the ONLY candidate I will donate to.
BHN
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:03 PM
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34. That's probably true. .. It's just the tiny influence we have, so we use it.
It doesn't amount to spit, I know.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:13 PM
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35. No it DOES amount to something! Personal integrity!
They CAN'T take that away from us.
They need our serf money like they need
a drop of water to quench their enormous greedy
pig faces buried in the corporate trough.

By not giving them what little we have,
we can sleep at night knowing we did the right thing.

BHN
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:43 PM
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30. k & r nt
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cstanleytech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 04:52 PM
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33. Honestly though
what do you want them to do?
If the democrats filibuster the republicans will jump all over it and probably be able to get the right leaning moderates who voted for them in 2000 and 2004 to swing back from their votes against the republicans in 2006 and vote against the democrats now and in 2008.
In an ideal world the democrats would be able to undo all the damage the republicans managed to do to this country both internally and internationally these past few years but this is not an ideal world.
We are probably looking at atleast 6 to 10 years to undo most of the damage and for the democrats to solidify their position and get a firmer foundation but that wont happen if people pressure the democrats to move to early.
So again what do you all what the democrats to do and also what do you actually think they can do?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 07:27 PM
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40. Yes.
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liberal hypnotist Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 02:26 AM
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43. The people have spoken!
Stop the war!

Oh, wait! let's do it next year.

Oh, wait! let's just give in to another 70 billion to help the troops.

Oh, wait, there's really too much money floating around to stop this war.

Oh, wait this war isn't that bad.

Oh, wait! the surge is working!

Oh, wait! war is good?

The Demicans are back.
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Solar_Power Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-14-07 11:01 PM
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45. Well said
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