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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:39 AM Original message |
From a Lefty to the self-proclaimed Lefties here: Seven Points (a rant) |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
1. Not voting for Democrats is a luxury I can afford, but others cannot. |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
233. While I agree, I would suggest a |
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cachukis (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #233 |
280. The attainment of an ideal is often the beginning of disillusion. |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #280 |
375. I'm a substitute teacher who works quite often (and for long term periods) |
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cachukis (232 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #375 |
388. I concur with your methodology re, low levels and Republicans. |
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tomg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #280 |
376. I completely agree |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
387. I agree - very well said rant by the OP n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
2. glad to be the first to rec |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Very good point, thanks. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
3. Well, to me "the left" comprises of Anti-Corporations FIRST Democrats. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Are any Democrats really "ANTI" corporations? |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I am! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. I meant the politicians. nt |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
47. 2 options on that |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. HOW? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
206. Don't buy their SHIT... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:36 PM Response to Reply #206 |
219. Boycotts? That's it? nt |
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liberaldemocrat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #219 |
259. Please make these phone calls today. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #219 |
321. It's the only fucking thing we've got... |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
60. Now, that is a looney left idea! |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Really? |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #62 |
83. Not the same thing. |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #83 |
107. Nice try |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
128. Well, that's NOT what you wrote |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #128 |
136. The OP was getting away from ad hominems.. could you please reply in kind? |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Did you not see the evil grin? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #139 |
142. Well, do whatever to the atmosphere you choose to do. |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #142 |
166. I don't believe in unilateral disarmament |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #166 |
248. Then fire away. It makes life so much f-u-n |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #166 |
291. What's "unilateral disarmament"? |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #291 |
378. That was a joke having NOTHING to do with the military! |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #128 |
143. You know, corps aren't really required |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #143 |
151. Investors suck profit |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #151 |
294. The three greatest medical discoveries of the 20th century were made entirely OUTSIDE-- |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #294 |
386. Well, take a look at the Nobel prize |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #386 |
390. The largest number of our Nobelists have been government-funded |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
209. Ah, more bullshit from the pro-corporate wing... |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #209 |
237. And more BULLSHIT from you. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #237 |
276. France |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:12 PM Response to Reply #276 |
282. But France does have corporations |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #282 |
284. it sure does |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #60 |
124. Did I not type, "Anti-Corporations FIRST" ?!? Inappropriate extrapolation. |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. I don't believe I was responding to you. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #129 |
152. True, however, the term "loony left" is as distasteful as "demoRATS" and is, IMO, a tell |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. I strongly believe in regulation |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:19 PM Response to Reply #156 |
211. "I don't see them getting called out" |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 07:31 AM Response to Reply #156 |
366. We can get rid of their... |
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lateo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:49 AM Response to Reply #11 |
364. Me too! |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. there's a difference btwn "liberal" and "progressive" and it's well drawn here -> |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #23 |
36. I think that's a little arbitrary. |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
232. I was wondering what lefty-left was! Mebbe I'm one? Damn! not according to the guy to the left of me |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
283. I have to disagree with you on that, Sparkly. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
127. That's one person's opinion. Hardly definative. It's an opinion YOU |
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King Coal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #127 |
184. I thought I told you to be nice. |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:13 PM Response to Reply #127 |
234. Some use carrots, some use sticks. I like peacepipe politics. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
186. self-delete |
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NoGodsNoMasters (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #8 |
345. Excellent point... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #345 |
370. Right after nationwide, publicly hand counted, paper ballot voting. |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
273. the left is very old and very broad and quite complex |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. I tend to agree, with on caveat; |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:49 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. On most issues, they do side with Democrats. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
178. . |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
7. What a great post |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
9. our definitions differ, but I presume everyone who has used the term "looney leftist' here |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You're trying not only to |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. did you by any chance read the OP? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. What irony? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. my reference is to cali's post |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. You read my post, and THAT is what you got from it? |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. I'm begining to see that you and cali are irony-impaired. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Perhaps you are communication-impaired or point-impaired. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. 50 miles over your head, apparently. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I see - I'm just too dumb to understand your point. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
246. It would seem that your point breaks down here: |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #246 |
254. um, no. |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #246 |
272. No |
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stimbox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:33 AM Response to Reply #29 |
95. Self-proclaimed has a condescending tone. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. Yes, I am a Self-proclaimed Lefty. nt |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. you're quoting cali -- not lerky |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #32 |
45. "the whole point of your rant was to do exactly that." |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I certainly did. What is it you find so objectionable. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. and you still don't see the irony? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Nope. The OP was a quite a bit more complex |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I only disagreed with OP |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Third degree? Alas, I know you're not kidding. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. again, the irony is palpable |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Wow. You labelled my challenging you the third degree AND |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:35 AM Original message |
lerk is coming from the position of being the mentioned "out-group" -- one who has |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
38. It seems to me that the OP is arguing against that term, |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
46. Why is anyone accused of being "loony left?" |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #46 |
175. It's my understanding |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #12 |
147. I think maybe I was a bit hasty in my first reading of the OP. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #147 |
157. Yes, peace is popular. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #147 |
196. yes, I think I misunderstood you earlier as well, sorry about that. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
30. it's it obvious that there's division here between "liberal," "left," "lefty-left," etc... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. You know, I find that comment slightly ironic. |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:30 AM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Glad to read this kind of post. We need more like it. K & R n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. The votes of the "left" are available to the Democrats. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. The real "left" is a SMALL minority |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #24 |
40. why should the democrats not appeal for the most votes in order to win election? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
71. "And the votes will come." |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
55. Then what's the point? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:20 AM Response to Reply #55 |
80. Oh, come on. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. I did read your post and I did understand it. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #91 |
96. Clearly you did not. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #96 |
109. To quote your OP. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #109 |
119. Do you have a question? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #119 |
161. So did I. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
61. Do the denizens of Bob Jones U comprise a LARGE majority? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #61 |
81. No, they don't. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #81 |
134. The GOP doesn't distance itself from or denigrate its hard right partisans |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #134 |
173. Excellent points... |
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LiberalLovinLug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #24 |
389. Lefties can learn from GOP |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
20. Very well done, Sparkly |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
25. kick and recommended |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
28. OK, I get it, don't hold politicians accountable if they are Democrats, they are above reproach... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I hope you just forgot the sarcasm tag. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Why, you criticize both the direct approach to hold Democrats accountable... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
48. That's just bullshit. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Not in so many words, you didn't, however, taken the totality of your OP, that's what you... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Of course I deny that. It's bullshit. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Leftists of course, in addition, yes I read your post... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:08 AM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Who made YOU the spokesperson for all "Leftists?" |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Apparently, you feel you've already filled that position. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Not at ALL. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #74 |
84. Well, you did call those you disagree with "self-proclaimed Lefties" |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I'm a self-proclaimed Lefty. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. No, you said "from a Lefty"... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Oh, pardon me. I AM a "self-proclaimed lefty" though. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #90 |
101. No need to get up on the cross. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. That's big of you. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Well you just now complained about how often |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. Sigh.... |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #112 |
114. Because of the thread title, and several statements in the OP. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. I used Idealist in the pejorative sense... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:16 AM Original message |
My post is not focused on "ideas for what to do when Democrats fuck up." |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
125. Depends on the politician... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I certainly see a lot threads telling us to shut up and vote for democrats that are against |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Nobody's telling you to "shut up and vote for Democrats." |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. I wasn't referring to this thread, but discussing it generally, but |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #70 |
79. They said you "must?" |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
324. No you ruled it out indirectly instead. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #324 |
335. Please explain. nt |
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D23MIURG23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #335 |
391. Your method of ruling out accountability for the democrats: |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #391 |
392. Response |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
39. Someone said eloquent, and I agree. |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
41. Go atypical |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
44. Some criticisms for you |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Response |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
50. I hear ya Sparkly |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #50 |
58. Of course we can dream... |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. What if you could have the best of Socialism |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I don't see how that would work. nt |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
57. "I am voting for the Democratic nominee, no matter who it is." Exhibit A" |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. "you are hardly far left." |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #64 |
75. again, you are outraged at ANYONE ELSE besides yourself defining what is left. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:24 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. I believe, Lerkfish, that you are projecting. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #85 |
133. actually, my first post was to point out we disagree on defintions. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:29 PM Response to Reply #133 |
148. What's your definition? nt |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:05 PM Response to Reply #148 |
172. LOL! NOW you ask me what my definition is? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:34 PM Response to Reply #172 |
179. As I did in post #43.... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #179 |
182. ah, sorry. I missed your post #43, with this convoluted thread structure |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #179 |
249. I would point out you've never come back to finish this |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #249 |
256. Okay, hang on... |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #172 |
188. Lerkfish, a good set of points. I hope it gets read. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #188 |
193. thanks. I also hope it gets read. |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #188 |
223. Very eloquent and excellent set of points. One of the best responses I have read in a long time. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #172 |
260. To pick up again |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #172 |
307. Picking it up again |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:07 PM Response to Reply #172 |
316. Last Ones |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 10:00 AM Response to Reply #316 |
393. was away from a computer for the weekend, so just geting back to this. |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #172 |
372. now we're getting somewhere. nt |
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midlife_mo_Jo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #57 |
135. Once a democrat gets the nomination - I'm voting democrat |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
66. One side calls the other 'loony'... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #66 |
89. I didn't tell anybody they were "loony," did I? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #89 |
97. Divisive language hurts your argument. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:36 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. It's a rant. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. No, you didn't... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:42 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Huh? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. It's a very common idea. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Well, hopefully people can handle it. nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Of course... |
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IndianaJones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
69. I am a moderate and find this to be a very good post. nt. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Exactly. As I said in another post, moderates would agree with this definition easily. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #77 |
88. This leftist who's marched for years and years with |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #88 |
131. irony again. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #131 |
132. LOL. You don't seem to get that tossing one word out over and |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #132 |
141. sure. I'm glad to help you out. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
202. hmm. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #202 |
213. this is becoming pointlessly circular. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:30 AM Response to Reply #77 |
92. Which "leftists?" |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
76. thank you |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
78. Throughout history, "realism" has been the club to hit reformers over the head with |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #78 |
94. Nothing wrong with idealism. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #94 |
228. Maybe you need to go back to your history books |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #228 |
241. I've studied it. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
82. I don't do the whole "acceptance" thing. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #82 |
98. "It's not going to count, but who cares?" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #98 |
123. That is some righteous pissed-offness. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #123 |
164. *sigh* is right. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. I can certainly see your point of view, I hope you know. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #98 |
165. Thanks for the ad-hominem. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #165 |
170. Maybe it is. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #170 |
180. The point is, then WHY VOTE FOR HER/HIM??????? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #180 |
194. Because it is the ONLY hope. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #194 |
208. Our only hope of what? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:17 PM Response to Reply #208 |
210. Of progress. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #208 |
235. hope of getting our hopes up |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #235 |
242. What are your hopes, then? |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #242 |
266. I can sleep at night |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #266 |
301. What's your idea for making things better? nt |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
126. I'm with you 100% with one minor exception. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #126 |
181. But, why bother to vote at all? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:00 PM Response to Reply #181 |
195. So what do you suggest? |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #195 |
212. Give up what? The ILLUSION that our vote actually counts? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. The differences we'd LIKE to see aren't there. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #216 |
222. Do you know how I feel for voting for people who watched the people of NO drown and did nothing? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #222 |
226. I guess the question is, |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
93. political compass charts are bogus n/t |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
99. Oh, okay. nt |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
110. Lefter than thou |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Either that or "saner" / "more realistic" than thou. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:48 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. How about "more effective" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #117 |
121. They're less common... |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #110 |
287. Agreed, "lefter than thou" as well as amazing self-righteousness. And just plain |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
115. The world would be a much darker place |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #115 |
118. Yup -- I don't think anybody can want what isn't without being Idealist. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
155. I have some thoughts about that. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. I agree. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
120. "From a Lefty to the self-proclaimed Lefties here"; or "What is wrong with America" n/t |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
122. Dear Sparkly, |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #122 |
162. What do you disagree with, TC? nt |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #162 |
174. With great respect for you.... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:52 PM Response to Reply #174 |
190. Thanks. |
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169. Deleted message |
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171. Deleted message |
Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #171 |
185. I'm unclear as to just what insult I thew at you, perhaps you would explain. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:55 PM Response to Reply #185 |
191. I think what this thread tells me more than anything is this: |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:57 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. TC - I don't understand all this "True Lefties" vs. "Center and/or Right"... |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #192 |
200. I meant you "went off" in the thread, not in the OP. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #200 |
205. TC, I've always respected you, but I find that incredibly condescending. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #205 |
214. I never meant it that way at all. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #214 |
217. What "Left" do you refer to? |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #217 |
220. No, it's time to go. I just got this in my inbox... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #220 |
230. Just take a break, TC. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:40 PM Response to Reply #230 |
239. You asked for proof of how badly "leftists" are treated here |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. I don't think it's about being "leftist." |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #220 |
265. Are you shitting me? |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #220 |
297. Ugh |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #191 |
199. I certainly wouldn't fault that assessment |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:09 PM Response to Reply #199 |
203. Lerkfish... It is what it is. This is no place for us any longer. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #199 |
207. Nobody's having a problem with LEFTISM here. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #207 |
221. well, you're conveniently labeling people as "self-professed lefitsts" and THEN |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #221 |
227. Oh, God... |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:26 PM Response to Reply #227 |
236. you essentially agreed with most of my points. So I'm unclear why you needed to say "oh God". |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #236 |
238. This is silly, Lerkfish. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #238 |
244. sure, i'll be happy to explain: |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #244 |
250. Yes, silly. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #250 |
255. right, and as I said from the beginning, this is about definitions |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #255 |
263. I started Lerky. Go look. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:22 PM Response to Reply #169 |
176. Well, I know this Sparkly, and she has got to be at her wits' end to write that OP. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #176 |
198. I don't know her, but have been around enough to have a good idea |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. No, you don't "know about her." |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:30 PM Response to Reply #201 |
215. If you're not ignoring the plight of others, you are advocating a rather bizarre way of addressing |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #215 |
218. "your tales of suffering and persecution" |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #218 |
224. My "problem" is your insistence that trying to force change is useless |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #224 |
229. Okay, now we're talking about tactics -- at least we've made that clear. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #229 |
268. Oh Shame On You |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #268 |
274. A terrible Trotskyite |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #224 |
275. Its not about principle |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #275 |
281. Here is a relevant article regarding the above |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
130. Well-written and well thought out. Thankfully, you've left out the ad hominems so common here. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:16 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. The sneers started in the OP. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. I didn't see it that way. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
144. its a matter of perspective. Just because you didn't see it that way does not |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. Whoa! We're on the same team, here! |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #150 |
197. sorry for the misunderstanding. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. Really? It starts in the subject line, even. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #146 |
163. I left my etiquette book at Headquarters. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:56 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. Hey, it's not news! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #163 |
251. I take it back. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #251 |
253. You read the quotes in context the first time. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #253 |
257. Then go ahead and fight, if that's what you came for. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #257 |
262. Not what I came for. |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
140. Thoughtful post, Sparkly. I would not characterize it as a rant at all. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
145. So you are a self proclaimed lefty? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #145 |
153. "Cast a vote for real change" |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #153 |
286. First ask what's the vote for not real change. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #286 |
303. It's a vote for small change (no pun intended) -- so what's the one for "real change?" |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #303 |
333. It depends where one defines their tradeoff. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
149. My obsession with fairness distracted me... a disagreement on point 4... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #149 |
154. And what motivated them? nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. People defecting to the Populist Party, in one instance. n/t |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. Well, in the case of the Democratic Party(FDR) to be exact, they adopted a large part of the... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #159 |
189. As they say, "FDR regulated capitalism in order to save it" ... |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
177. thank you |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
183. as a 'self proclaimed lefty', i want to thank you for setting me straight. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
187. Many of us are anti-capitalism -- capitalism + democracy aren't synonymous -- !!!! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
204. Without "leftie" ideals, we ain't goin' nowhere |
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Yael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
225. Interesting commentary |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
231. as socialist as possible, under the circumstances |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #231 |
243. Thanks for that post. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
245. Recommended and a quibble or two. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. Thanks. |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #247 |
258. Heh |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. Gotcha. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #245 |
252. Depends on what you're calling "commie" |
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leftist_not_liberal (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #252 |
261. I am speaking of materialism v. idealism |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #252 |
277. He talking about |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #245 |
270. Haha |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
267. I love you for many reasons ........ |
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Joey Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
269. You are not being persecuted for being “left.” |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #269 |
304. Really? |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
271. The voice of reason and sanity is by definition not a rant. Thank you, Sparkly for your input. |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #271 |
278. Can you give an example of |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #278 |
353. To what exactly do you refer? I thought my statement was self-evident.... |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
279. I'm pretty sure |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #279 |
302. You aren't socialist unless you want a revolution right here right now? |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:00 PM Response to Reply #302 |
313. You don't appear to want a revolution at all |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #313 |
320. LOL |
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Tech 9 (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #313 |
323. .. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 07:23 PM Response to Original message |
285. Your subject line should read: "From one self-proclaimed lefty to the other self-proclaimed lefties" |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #285 |
300. Fair enough. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #300 |
306. I'm glad to know that. Do you see how it would have changed the whole tenor of your post? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #306 |
309. Yup -- it wasn't a good choice of words. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #309 |
315. Well, I see your point as being: "vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter what". |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:12 PM Response to Reply #315 |
317. No, I'm saying one CAN hold leftist views AND vote for the Democratic nominee. |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
288. point 7: bully for you. i'm not |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
289. You could have said it a lot easier... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #289 |
296. This gets to the point: "No you're not." |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #296 |
305. Is that so? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #305 |
308. Huh? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:55 PM Response to Reply #305 |
310. Why can't you understand? It's INTENTIONS that count, not actions! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #310 |
318. No, beliefs and choices of action are separate things. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #318 |
322. So, the means don't define the ends? Do tell. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #322 |
330. Means and ends? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #330 |
337. If your "ends" (the goals you wish to achieve) are antiwar, anti-corporatist, & anti-imperialist, |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #337 |
338. How do you achieve them? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #338 |
341. Well, I certainly don't expect to effect change by acquiescing to the status quo. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #341 |
343. How DO you expect to effect change? |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #343 |
350. Non-cooperation. Non-acquiescence. Building a movement from the ground up. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #318 |
325. Actually, it's completely impossible for me to understand. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #325 |
331. Absolutely your actions are informed by your beliefs!!! |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 09:54 PM Response to Original message |
290. You can only define what left means to you.... |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #290 |
292. What does it mean to you? |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #292 |
352. Left of left? If you are "left"...then I am way left of you. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #352 |
355. In other words, you have no clue what you're talking about. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #355 |
357. You'd better be looking in a mirror when you say that. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:35 AM Response to Reply #357 |
360. Hope your prayer wheel keeps turnin', sw |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #357 |
373. Oh! Horrors!!! |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:32 AM Response to Reply #355 |
359. Well now, see, here's the thing Sparkly. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #359 |
371. You don't have to prove anything -- although you already did. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #371 |
379. OMG..put words in people's mouth's much? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #379 |
381. Nope, just stating my impressions. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #290 |
293. DR!!!! Whoot!!!! Fascinating, isn't it? Proclaiming oneself as "left as they come" at the same |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #293 |
298. I didn't lecture leftists about being "too loony." |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #293 |
348. Hey scarlet-sister.... |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:33 AM Response to Reply #348 |
351. I actually intend to stay until I get thrown out. Not going down without a fight. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #351 |
358. Ditto! My sentiments as well. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:16 PM Response to Original message |
295. You know, I looked at the current threads on GD |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #295 |
299. Not a lecture -- just an opinion. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:57 PM Response to Reply #299 |
311. Why I'm out on the left edge |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #311 |
314. Lydia, I just wanted to voice my complete support for what you said here. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #314 |
326. Maa, sonna! |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #311 |
319. Awesome, Lydia! Damn, you're good! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:22 PM Response to Reply #319 |
327. Thanks. It's my Minnesota DFL heritage coming through |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #311 |
328. I agree with almost all you've said. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #328 |
334. Keep the DLC from destroying it all, too... ABH (n/t) |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #328 |
336. I don't see anyone ASKING the people |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:57 PM Response to Reply #336 |
339. So how are you getting politicians to do those things they need to do? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:00 AM Response to Reply #339 |
340. Keep the heat on them |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #340 |
342. 5% of the population don't generate a lot of heat. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #342 |
344. Yeah, but it's the best we can do |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #344 |
346. I think public pressure works best when it's a significant public. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #346 |
347. I bet you'd find that the Republican pressure groups aren't all that large |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #347 |
349. Which groups? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:46 AM Response to Reply #346 |
356. And people constantly saying demontrations don't work and |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #356 |
374. I don't know who said that. |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #311 |
329. Well stated! |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #329 |
382. Thank you! |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 11:25 PM Response to Reply #311 |
332. This'll make 5 of us |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #332 |
383. Yes, I didn't realize it at the time, being a naive high school student |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #383 |
385. I was in college at the time of MLK & RFK |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:33 PM Response to Reply #383 |
394. The 60s, which started with such promise |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #311 |
354. Ever-dependable Lydia |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 02:15 AM Response to Reply #311 |
361. Excellent post, Lydia |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #311 |
365. Yes! |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-12-07 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
312. for just #4 alone I would recommend your post. |
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DinahMoeHum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
362. We want the pendulum to swing back to the left, correct ? |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #362 |
380. Some problems with that approach: |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #362 |
396. Pendulum is a bad metaphor |
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Patriot Abroad (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
363. And it really peeves me how power tools are always designed for Righties . .. |
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bluescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
367. A breath of fresh air |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
368. Nicely said. K & R. |
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ironrooster (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
369. to enable or destroy? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:02 AM Response to Reply #369 |
377. chaos |
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ironrooster (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-13-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #377 |
384. economic chaos |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-14-07 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
395. "Are you prepared for a revolution against the U.S. war machine?" |
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