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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:19 PM
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Clinton, Obama, Edwards on ‘the same page’ says Kucinich
Clinton, Obama, Edwards on ‘the same page’ on health care reform, ‘the wrong page,’ says Kucinich

Clinton, Obama, Edwards, on the wrong page

Tuesday, September 18, 2007


"On the issue of health care, the three leading candidates for the Democratic Presidential nomination are all on the same page: the wrong page, Democratic candidate and Ohio Congressman said today.

“There isn’t one iota’s difference between the plans put forward by Senator Clinton, Senator Obama, and former Senator Edwards because they all keep the for-profit health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies in control of the health care system,” Kucinich said. “The only thing ‘universal’ about their plans is that they universally fail to address the real reason 47 million Americans are uninsured and another 50 million are under-insured: for-profit insurance companies get rich by gouging people and by not paying for health care.”


Kucinich is the co-author and co-sponsor of a bill (HR 676) that would establish a national, not-for-profit health insurance system that would guarantee coverage to all Americans, including medical, dental, vision, mental health, long term care, early child care, and preventative health services. Under the Kucinich plan, there would be no premiums, no deductibles, and no co-pays, and no denials of services. The legislation has been endorsed by the 14,000-member Physicians for a National Health Program, the California Nurses Association, labor union locals, and award-winning film-maker Michael Moore, whose “SiCKO” documentary is a scathing indictment of the for-profit health care industry in the U.S.

“If you don’t have the courage to take on the insurance and pharmaceutical industries,” Kucinich said of the other Democratic candidates, “don’t try to fool the American people by pretending to offer real reform. The Clinton, Obama, and Edwards plans will ensure that for-profit companies remain in control, and they will be rewarded and enriched with federal subsidies to reduce the prices they charge. Instead of gouging the consumers, they’ll be gouging the taxpayers.”

Kucinich also objected to the “mandates” proposed in the three plans. “These candidates want to force individual citizens and employers to buy health insurance, using the promise of tax credits to make the coercion more palatable. We shouldn’t be mandating that people buy private coverage, we should be guaranteeing coverage for our citizens like other enlightened industrialized nations do.”


Kucinich noted that Americans spend more than $2 trillion a year on health care, and upwards of $600 billion covers costs that have nothing to do with care: profits, dividends, exorbitant salaries, executive compensation, stock options, advertising, paperwork, and coordination and duplication of services among the many private companies.

“Take that money out of the pockets of the for-profit companies and put it into providing a national health care plan that covers everyone for everything,” Kucinich said. Comparing and contrasting the differences among the Cinton, Obama, and Edwards plans “is a phony debate,” he charged.
“If they’re afraid of offending their campaign contributors from the for-profit health care industry, or they’re concerned about whatever personal investments they have in that industry, they should be honest about it and just say so.”

He continued, “I can’t be bought, and I can’t be bossed, and that’s why I’m the only candidate willing and eager to challenge the insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. The sooner we get the profit out of the system, the sooner every American can have access to comprehensive health care. It’s a right, and this nation has a moral and social responsibility to provide it.”

http://www.dennis4president.com/go/newsroom/clinton,-obama,-edwards-on-%91the-same-page%92-on-health-care-reform,-%91the-wrong-page,%92-says-kucinich/






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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:25 PM
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1. k & r for Dennis! (nt)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:45 PM
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4. Thanks! n/t
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:25 PM
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2. Hmm Edwrds is sayin the same thing at SEIU to day.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:47 PM
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5. Yes, saw it last night and I was looking for the video, will try later nt
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:26 PM
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3. He's absolutely right.
K&R
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:49 PM
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7. Yes he is and thank you! n/t
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:56 PM
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10. Yes he is right - but being right doesn't get it passed - this might pass n/t
n/t
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:48 PM
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6. HR 676 only mentions $278 billion in administration costs and another thing...
...it talks about $957 billion in current federal health spendings.

On a $2 trillion federal budget, that 957 is closer to the defense slice. There is only 5% reserved for health.

It seems that there is a small gap in the amount of $857 billion.


http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm
http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=277&Itemid=107

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:52 PM
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12. I'll preface this reply by saying that I am not a numbers person :)
2.2 trillion is the figure that I have heard we currently spend on health care, both government spending and private spending. Also note the figures on the Conyers' site are projected expenditures in 2010, so the 957 should be compared with the 2010 projected budget. We know there will be a significant jump in health care costs in the coming years as more baby boomers are eligible for Medicare.

http://www.house.gov/conyers/news_hr676_2.htm

As for the administrative saving figure listed? It might be worth a call to the congressional office to clarify the number or look up the reference # 5 listed...

"5. Estimated reduction in out-of-pocket costs from “Health Care Options Project,” The Lewin Group, 2002."

It's a worthy discussion, all these numbers just make my head spin. :crazy:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:50 PM
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8. Shirley Chisolm redux....
"I can’t be bought, and I can’t be bossed,"
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:59 PM
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9. kucinich ftw
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RangerRK Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:25 AM
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11. Great DK quote: "What we have now is predatory capitalism...
"What we have now is predatory capitalism,
which makes the American people a cash crop for the insurance companies."


Here's a great MP3 of him speaking about this in the Dem Debate 2004
http://ftp.radio4all.net/pub/archive/05.29.04/cnn_debate-hc-k94b.mp3
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:19 PM
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13. Thanks for the link! n/t
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:23 PM
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14. Why does Edwards get grouped in? His plan is far different... NT
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:03 AM
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16. Edwards does not think his plan is far different and all plans
still leave the for profit insurance companies in the mix.

Edwards spoke of how Hillary's plan imitated his!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:24 PM
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15. DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!,
DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!, DK!,
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:34 AM
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17. He's exactly right. As. Usual.
*sigh* and K/R
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:56 AM
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18. Thank you n/t
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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:56 AM
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19. I'm an Edwards supporter, but...
I'm starting to like Kucinich more lately to be honest.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:10 AM
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20. That's great, I did not pay attention to him in '04 so I'm a recent
convert. He has such a different vision for our country and the role of our country in the world, getting his message out is difficult though.
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HardRocker2005 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:54 AM
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21. well, he's got a point. nt
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