Chavez "Venezuela has oil for 200 years" Greg Palast film

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-107721931861791042

Inside Latin America Chavez's Venezuela: Bush Over A Barrel

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1. Chavez Nationalizes Venezuelan Oil Fields

by Juan Forero and Steve Inskeep

"Morning Edition, May 1, 2007 · Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez nationalized the last privately run oil fields in the country Tuesday. The government is taking over four oil projects run by some of the world's biggest petroleum companies."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9937606

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2. "It is thus clear that U.S. officials were briefed at the highest level

about an anticipated and likely military coup against the Chavez government. Yet when the coup occurred, White House and State Department officials attempted to convince the public that it was not a coup but rather a popular uprising. (See below).

Third, the White House supported the coup government in other ways:

White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer said on April 12, one day after the attempted coup:


We know that the action encouraged by the Chavez government provoked this crisis. According to the best information available, the Chavez government suppressed peaceful demonstrations. The results of these events are now that President Chavez has resigned the presidency. Before resigning, he dismissed the vice president and the cabinet, and a transitional civilian government has been installed. <5>


The U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesman Philip Reeker followed the White House line stating that “undemocratic actions committed or encouraged by the Chavez administration provoked yesterday’s crisis in Venezuela.”<6>"


http://www.cepr.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=649&Itemid=45


http://www.venezuelafoia.info/ciac4.html

[LynnTheDem]

5. This is a prime example (among many) of why Americans in general are so very ignorant

while the rest of the world is not.

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7. Thanks and our media intends to keep people ignorant.

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3. 4/12/02 "MR. FLEISCHER: Let me share with you the

administration's thoughts about what's taking place in Venezuela. It remains a somewhat fluid situation. But yesterday's events in Venezuela resulted in a change in the government and the assumption of a transitional authority until new elections can be held.

The details still are unclear. We know that the action encouraged by the Chavez government provoked this crisis. According to the best information available, the Chavez government suppressed peaceful demonstrations. Government supporters, on orders from the Chavez government, fired on unarmed, peaceful protestors, resulting in 10 killed and 100 wounded. The Venezuelan military and the police refused to fire on the peaceful demonstrators and refused to support the government's role in such human rights violations. The government also tried to prevent independent news media from reporting on these events.

The results of these events are now that President Chavez has resigned the presidency. Before resigning, he dismissed the vice president and the cabinet, and a transitional civilian government has been installed. This government has promised early elections.

The United States will continue to monitor events. That is what took place, and the Venezuelan people expressed their right to peaceful protest. It was a very large protest that turned out. And the protest was met with violence."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020412-1.html

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4. U.S. Papers Hail Venezuelan Coup as Pro-Democracy Move

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1111

"When elements of the Venezuelan military forced President Hugo Chávez from office in April, the editorial boards of several major U.S. newspapers, following the U.S. government's lead, greeted the news with enthusiasm.

In an April 13 editorial, the New York Times triumphantly declared that Chávez's "resignation" meant that "Venezuelan democracy is no longer threatened by a would-be dictator." Conspicuously avoiding the word "coup," the Times explained that Chávez "stepped down after the military intervened and handed power to a respected business leader."

Calling Chávez "a ruinous demagogue," the Times offered numerous criticisms of his policies and urged speedy new elections, saying "Venezuela urgently needs a leader with a strong democratic mandate." A casual reader might easily have missed the Times' brief acknowledgement that Chávez did actually have a democratic mandate, having been "elected president in 1998."

The paper's one nod to the fact that military takeovers are not generally regarded as democratic was to note hopefully that with "continued civic participation," perhaps "further military involvement" in Venezuelan politics could be kept "to a minimum."

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6. "The State guarantees equality and equity between men and

women in the exercise of their right to work. The State recognizes work in the home as an economic activity that creates value added and produces social welfare and wealth. Housewives will be eligible for Social Security in conformity with the law...


However, even that did not fully implement Article 88 of the Constitution. That had to wait for yesterday when Chavez incorporated 50,000 elderly housewives into the Venezuelan social security. These women, who would otherwise have no pension and no other means of support, often lived in indigence. By Chavez fully implementing Article 88 of the Constitution these women will have their needs met and will live in dignity – dignity to which they are entitled by a lifetime of hard work. With this move there is one less marginalized group in Venezuela and Venezuela is a better society for it.

http://oilwars.blogspot.com/2007/05/they-work-hard-for-their-money.html

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8. "An April 6, 2002 top secret intelligence brief headlining

“Venezuela: Conditions Ripening for Coup Attempt”, states, “Dissident military factions, including some disgruntled senior officers and a group of radical junior officers, are stepping up efforts to organize a coup against President Chávez, possible as early as this month, . The level of detail in the reported plans – targets Chávez and 10 other senior officers for arrest…” The document further states, “To provoke military action, the plotters may try to exploit unrest stemming from opposition demonstrations slated for later this month…”

So the CIA knew that a coup attempt would take place soon after April 6, 2002, and moreover, they knew the plan would include Chávez’s arrest and an exploitation of violence in the opposition march. In other words, they knew the plans before the coup occurred and surely they knew the actors involved, many of whose names are probably in the censored parts of the top-secret documents. One could assume that if the CIA had the detailed plans in their possession in the weeks prior to the coup it was because they were associating and conspiring with the coup plotters. So, when Ari Fleischer and Philip Reeker made those statements on April 12, 2002 on behalf of the U.S. Government, they did so with full knowledge that a coup had taken place, Chávez had been arrested and the violence in the opposition march, which they attributed to Chávez, had actually been a premeditated part of the coup plot. The top secret documents that prove this information show they were sent to the U.S. Statement Department and the National Security Agency, which means frankly, the White House knew what was happening all along.

Furthermore, the CIA documents make no mention of any attempts to have Chávez forcibly resign from office. The CIA warnings indicated as early as March 5, 2002 (which is the date of the earliest document provided) that a coup was on the rise and even hinted that prospects for a successful coup were limited. The CIA rightfully felt the opposition was too disperse and divided to successfully overthrow Chávez. But the concept that Chávez had “resigned” as the White House and State Department “confirmed” on April 12, 2002 was merely a set-up, a false claim made with the intention of deceiving the U.S. public and the international community. Remember that the U.S. stood practically alone in the world in its endorsement of the coup-implemented Carmona Government, which it later weakly condemned but only after the coup came tumbling down and the U.S. realized it needed to save face quickly.

A top secret CIA document from April 14, 2002 shows concern that Latin American governments will view U.S. foreign policy as “hypocritical” because of its sole endorsement of the Carmona coup government. The CIA also seems surprised that the region of Latin America so quickly rejected the coup in Venezuela and that the Carmona government “stunningly collapsed”, which demonstrates a possible out-of-date view of the hemisphere and a failure in intelligence gathering and analysis..."


http://venezuelafoia.info/evaenglish.html


April 6, 2002 document
http://www.venezuelafoia.info/ciac4.html

[killbotfactory]

9. Wow...

a whole lotta stuff at that website...

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12. A good reference for the documents. n/t

[Kurovski]

10. 5th R

That's what all this shit is about.

It's always oil with the mother fuckers.

They'll spend a fortune just to bring that country down.

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13. Thanks for the 5th, the oil issue is left out of many discussions.

[blondie58]

11. I wonder when we are going to invade Venezuela

and what kind of excuse they can think of to do so. Now, it can't be on the pretense of bringing them democracy.

edited to make my thoughts more coherent. need more caffeine!

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14. No need to invade, just take out the "dictator"

[Kurovski]

15. Kick. (nt)

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16. How much oil does Venezuela have?

One view below

http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/oil/oilcharts.html

"A similar chart amended to include USGS estimates of ultimately recoverable oil reserves presents a more accurate impression of overall world oil reserves.

The "unconventional" oil reserve of South America is the Venezuelan Orinoco heavy oil belt with one to four trillion (with a "T") barrels of oil."


http://www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/oil/index2.html

"Proven reserves are not a measure of future supply

The Middle East does not have two thirds of all world oil reserves, as is claimed by the oil companies and the US Dept. of Energy. It only has two thirds of "proven" oil reserves.

According to the US Geological Survey, other categories of oil reserves need to be taken into account. They say the Middle East has only half to one third of recoverable world oil reserves."

[FogerRox]

18. Venezuelia does not have very good oil

Its not light sweet crude. Its very heavy, it flows slowly, is harder to pump, needs more refining, and has many trace ingrediants, worse of all is sulfur. Refineries need to be rebuilt to handle heavy sour crude like Venezuelia's crude. In fact its far easier to make deisel ot home heating oil from it.

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20. Thanks, but as the easier to refine crude is depleted and the

price of oil remains high due to demand, the heavier crude will become more valuable. Makes sense to me.

:eyes: :hi:

[FogerRox]

21. Not exactly that simple....

Those countries that cannot, for whatever reason, upgrade thier refineries have no reason to buy heavy sour crude, think 3rd world countries... maybe...HUH..

I no longer think of the "price of oil", its a misnomer. Super light Arabian crude with .5% sulfur and an API of 41 requires very little refining, and is highly prized, my guess is that the US is currently paying a $5+brl premium on light sweet crude. 3rd world countries are having to do w/o or settle for 2-3% sulfur and API of 30, which is fine if you want diesel & have limited refining capability.

Real nasty 3.5% sulfur API of 22 may be $15brl cheaper.. But who the hell has a refinery that is set up that crap.....

I look at it like this... you have to match the different grades of oil that are currently on the market (this changes seasonally) to the different refineries and their capabilities (capabilities changes seasonally too) and then you see how the price spread between the different grades of crude is working.

Oil consumering countries need to rebuild refineries to handle heavy and sour crude, those that cant afford to do this will be truly fucked. This is happening now, Saudi arabia has cut deliveries to some Asian countries by 10%. Think that might cause some problems? (recession).

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22. Thanks for the additional information, you obviously have more

of an understanding of the refining capabilities than I do.

[FogerRox]

28. LOL, thanks, I understand just the basics though

Try the oil drum

http://www.theoildrum.com/

Excellent resource, beware the Doomsayers though, they think the world as we know it is to end. MAd MAx scenario. I think/hope IEC fusion will start to play a role in the next decade.

http://rdanafox.blogspot.com/2007/04/dr-bussard-iec-fusion-future-in-post.html

http://rdanafox.blogspot.com/2007/05/iec-fusion-simple-elegant.html

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29. Thanks for the links, you understand more basics :)))) n/t

[Kurovski]

17. Kick. (nt)

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19. Excellent!

:bounce:

[Kurovski]

23. Kick. (NT)

[Swamp Rat]

24. k&r

[Kurovski]

25. Kick.

Did you see you got a DUzy this week for your museum scheme/scam? :D congrats!

[Swamp Rat]

26. That's a first for me.

:D I guess the DUzy guy usually misses my more outlandish behaviour after the Witching Hour. :evilgrin:

[Kurovski]

27. I believe you recieved another one on another day as well.

I'm pretty sure you did. Didn't you recieve the $75.00 check? :-)