Want to *hear* why I really cannot stand Ed Schultz?

[benburch]

Please K&R this. Everybody should hear this!

This is Ed Schultz melting down on Mike Necomb's show this morning;

http://www.mikenewcomb.net/audio/edcallsin.mp3

Everybody needs to hear this. EVERYBODY.

He is insulting YOU, the listeners in this screed.

Here is the clip he is reacting to;

http://www.mikenewcomb.net/audio/EDDIE.mp3

And he is disrespecting the Drobnys and Ed Newcomb too!

Don't give this man any more attention. He is a total FAKE.

-Ben Burch
White Rose Society
(Where we do "bake sale radio")

[bananas]

1. k&r

[linazelle]

2. I need a shower. I have never liked him either but this seals it.

He is totally right wing--the speaking style, the interrupting, the name calling--all fit him well.

[guidod]

130. You have no idea what you're talking about.

He's not right wing, Randi Rhodes interrupts more than he does and I've never heard him call anyone a name. What makes you say this crap?

[Arugula Latte]

169. I heard him call Randi Rhodes "Randi Slut" with my own ears.

I almost drove off the road.

That's when I stopped listening to him.

I really can't stand him.

[guidod]

192. I listen to Ed Schultz every day,

I never miss a second. How would I miss something like that? There's a 99.9% chance that never happened. If you can't prove it, don't say it. You sound like Bill O'Reilly.

[Arugula Latte]

200. Oh, so you've listened to him every second of his broadcast? Here you go:

Here are other people discussing this. I DID NOT MAKE IT UP. How DARE you fucking compare me to Bill O'Reilly? I HEARD Ed Schultz call her that. Why would I make something like that up? At that time, I was TRYING hard to like Ed. There's a 100 percent chance that you are WRONG.

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=46524&st=20

http://www.haloscan.com/comments.php?user=crooks&comment=5418 (scroll down to the comment at 12:11 p.m. on 10/18)

http://boreamerica.com/archives/2005/05/the-only-question-is-what-year-she-lost-it.html

In fact, here is a post from me STILL trying to like Ed Schultz and giving him praise in spite of what he said: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1233944#1234812

I wonder if you realize how arrogant you sound?

On edit: Here is a thread WHEN IT HAPPENED. Still don't believe me?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2147637

[guidod]

203. First of all Oregonian

anybody that quotes someone just from hear say and has no sound bite is acting exactly like Bill O"Reilly. O"Reilly is constantly saying things and never backs them up, just like you're doing here. If you had a link that has Ed's voice on it calling Randi a slut I would say you are right and thank you very much for the absolute evidence of the conversation.

You're saying I'm arrogant? I'm not the one that is dragging someones name through the mud without proof. What you put on edit is just someone elses post, nothing more.

Oregonian, you're the one that is using foul language and if you come up with better proof that Ed Schultz did this I will then say you are right.

[Arugula Latte]

205. How am I supposed to access to every second of Ed's broadcasts on

demand? How do you explain all the other people who said they heard Ed say this? You think we're all lying? Do you think Tom Kitten and Kaitykaity and I and others just decided to spontaneously lie and say we heard this on his show? WTF? Are you delusional?

Why don't you prove he DIDN'T say it?

You chose to ignore all the instances I gave you of people discussing this, including a post that happened IMMEDIATELY after the incident occured. You know you're wrong, yet you're not big enough to admit it.

And, speaking of dragging someone's name through mud, you compared me to Bill O'Reilly. That's about as low as it gets, IMO.

When I give you proof and you choose to ignore it, there's not much I can do about it. You are obviously so blindly devoted to Ed you won't accept the reality of what he said. It's actually kind of laughable.

Buh Bye.

[guidod]

207. Like I said, if you can't

prove it don't say it. Because you amass all of these people that say thay agree with you still doesn't mean that it's true. That could be seen as scandalmongering or, in other words, as slander. Which is something you accused me of.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, you want me to prove that he didn't say something, huh?

Also I didn't compare you to Bill O"Reilly, I said you sounded like him. As a matter of fact you sound JUST like him. Tell a lie, don't prove it and move on.

What is laughable is when I suggested to you for us to discuss this privately, between ourselves and away from this thread, you called me a coward. that wasn't very nice. :hurts:

[LSK]

208. where are Schultz archives??

Seems to me he said it on August 3, 2004.

Looks like there are a lot of people who heard it:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ed+schultz+randi+slut&btnG=Search

Dont know why you are defending this so much when theres a lot of evidence to support that he said that.

[guidod]

210. I don't know where

the Ed Schultz archives are, but I would imagine they're on his web site. If you find out he said it, like I said, I'll be the first to say you're right.

[LSK]

206. that looks like proof to me

[guidod]

209. All of that is hearsay...

...I'm not saying Schultz didn't say that about Randi Rhodes, I hope he didn't, but unless I get actual proof he did I refuse to slander someones name. Sorry, that's just me. :shrug:

[LSK]

212. ive been here a while

And people usually dont post something like that on DU and others commenting on it without it actually happening. Id really like to find Schultz archives but it appears he only keeps clips on his site.

[guidod]

214. I'm looking myself...

[Arugula Latte]

202. BTW, maybe you should slander Tom Kitten while you're at it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=1753381

[guidod]

204. I don't slander anybody.

[ronnykmarshall]

225. and Randi called him an asshole.

Your point?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. It sounded to me like very sour grapes on his part

since he wasn't able to buy the radio station. I remember listening to him put down efforts other than his own to buy a new Phoenix station (this was BGJ-before Guy James-thanks for the streaming so I can listen to Guy!). Apparently he doesn't realize that the way of doing business is changing, just as the whole communications network is changing. What difference is it that he's on X number of radio markets when anyone can now get streaming audio via computer?

[AwareOne]

4. Schultz is a total jackass and I recently wrote his

producer and his wife who acts as his PR person and told them he was a joke and an embarrassment to the left. What a cheese bag.

[democrat_patriot]

5. I heard that this morning and it pissed me off.

I guess he would be happier if Air America Phoenix was owned by Halliburton or GE?

I'd rather it was 'owned' by the people, this way Mike newcomb isn't ever told what to say.

I'd rather 500 people gave $1000 than Mr Shultz gave $500,000. He can keep his money.

[guidod]

127. Boy, you know how

to win an election, don't ya.

[SethInUpstateNY]

6. I stopped listening to him 3 months ago

when he attacked John Murtha for wanting to pull out the troops out of Iraq. I see the jackass hasn't changed much since then.

[goclark]

58. He went into a total meltdown rant @ Cynthia McKinney

That ended it for me.

Are you sure he is not a sell out?

[benburch]

69. It isn't us he sold out.

He sold out the Conservatives to take our money.

[wryter2000]

95. Man, I'm glad I missed that one

That would have sent my blood pressure into the stratosphere.

My local AAR affiliate has him on in Randi's time slot. They delay her. Most of the time, I stream, but on Mondays, I'm stuck with dumb old Quake in SF. You'd think San Francisco could put together a good progressive station, but noooooo...

[guidod]

194. Why don't you send them

millions of dollars, then maybe they could.

[guidod]

131. Your loss.

[spuddonna]

7. Hmm, I guess PBS is 'bake sale' TV then...

And that means Jack Horkheimer is DEFINITELY a 'star hustler'! :evilgrin:

[benburch]

9. Just so.

He was telling Mike Newcomb that he was running "Public Radio", not REAL radio.

[spuddonna]

30. And he called them pimps!

(Hence my star 'hustler' pun :7 )

But seriously, that's pretty low to call in to someone's show and call them a pimp. I think the host, Mike, handled Ed pretty fairly for as rude as Ed was being to him.

[peacetalksforall]

8. He has converted very slowly. Maybe not a fake. He twists certain

issues to match his ego, passions, and prejudices. Most of the time, he's sincere - he gets good guests. He needs to contain a bunch of stuff. He wastes time that can be spent on politcs to talk about his stuff - talking about his stuff is just like Imus. Both pout endlessly.

[nolabels]

59. He has to sell to the largest audience possible

Most of the stuff on Corporate or even independent is being pimped for one reason or another. People tuning into this guy for information or seeking someone to carry something out will be disappointed.

Ed's function is to capture as much of the Joe Six-pack audience as he can get. He might have other inclinations that he likes to play with during the day, but his boss is his sponsors. When people can figure that out, then they will be able to figure out who Ed is.

[guidod]

128. His show isn't just about politics.

[RagingInMiami]

10. Didn't he accept a large sum of money from some dem organization?

While Randi Rhodes turned it down?

[benburch]

11. I'd love to find documentation of that!

If anybody has it, please post it here.

[RagingInMiami]

14. Randi Rhodes has talked about it on the air

And she hates Schultz so I'm sure she'll be happy to provide anything she has.

[benburch]

17. I just wish my emails got to her.

I've written a lot, but have not gotten a response in a while now. I'm thinking I don't know what the address is that she actually reads any more.

[Canuckistanian]

22. You archive her shows and she doesn't respond to you?

That doesn't sound right.

[benburch]

23. Like I say, I might not be using a good address.

When her old producer, Tim, was there I would communicate through him.

I'm not sure if the AAR address goes to her or to some back office worker.

[Canuckistanian]

64. My point was, why doesn't she show some appreciation?

Why doesn't she ever contact you?

Malloy regularly gives a shout-out to you for archiving his programs.

But then, it's a case of different personalities, I guess. Randi like to work alone. One mic, no screeners, she runs the show.

I shouldn't be too critical. I love what Randi does.

[benburch]

73. Well, she never has recognized (regularly) any of the archive sites.

And given that there were three of them, I can see how there would be operational issues about that. It's just not her style.

Mike and I go way back, and he always has recognized people who helped with the show at the end.

Clearly, yes, I wish Randi mentioned White Rose sometimes, but then I'd be crazy not to!

[wryter2000]

96. Didn't Tim come back?

I'm not sure, but I think I've heard her talk to someone named Tim lately, and the voice sounded kind of like him. I sure liked Tim.

[benburch]

98. I IMed with Tim a month or so ago...

...and he was producing a morning show down in Florida.

So, if he's back it is news to me. I'll IM him next time I see him on iChat.

[wryter2000]

102. Bummer

As I said, I wasn't sure. I really enjoyed Tim. I was so glad when he joined Randi in NY because I'd loved him in FL. Next time you "talk" to him, say hi for me.

[benburch]

104. Just chatted with him.

He's still doing the morning show and it is NUMBER ONE in the market!!!

Go Tim!!!

[gr8dane_daddy]

72. I seem to recall...

that Randi blamed Ed for not helping enough to get Daschle re-elected. I personally get a funny tinge about Ed, my preference is with Randi...I feel she's more sincere.

[benburch]

74. Randi is totally sincere.

Of that I have zero doubt.

[CottonBear]

117. Schultz called Randi a slut while he was on the air. n/t

[RagingInMiami]

119. He's a dick

[guidod]

126. Can you back that statement up?

If you can't, I would keep my mouth shut.

[toymachines]

133. are you ed shultz?

tell us the truth...

[guidod]

137. Oh no!! You got me!

[omega minimo]

12. Could it be the macho, bonehead bluster schtick?

:shrug:


Hey Ben-- you could take that "bake sale radio" and RUN with it! :hi:

[benburch]

16. I'm PLANNING to!

I'm gonna see if I can find cookies to send to donors next funding drive!

[omega minimo]

25. Brilliant. You GO, guy.

schultz came to town-- tix were $30.

Mike's comin to town-- Donations are $10. Maybe the "Bake Sale Radio" could tie in with the lobby tables scene....................... :think:

[benburch]

70. I need to find a bakery who can drop-ship decent cookies...

for a fair price for use as a premium.

(If anybody has ideas...)

[fooj]

26. Wow. The guy is an asshole. "You're pimping the public"

Jeez................

[troubleinwinter]

13. K & R!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

15. K&R

:popcorn:

[SPKrazy]

18. Okay, Not Being Familiar With Phoenix Radio Politics

This sounded like two assholes talking on the radio, one who seemed to think he was better than the other, and the other mouthing off like a little punk.

So what's the story?

Ed Schultz does sound like an ass, but I'm not impressed by the other guy either.

I'd always liked Schultz, but he is an arrogant prick in my opinion now

[benburch]

20. Wouldn't *you* be a little testy if Big Ed called your show like that?

I know I would.

[SPKrazy]

21. I Don't Know What The Issue Is

I'm listening to the other link now, I can't tell if it is Ed Shultz or the other guy

[SPKrazy]

24. After Listening To Shultz I Still Don't See The Issue Clearly

investors vs. a website that gets donations

ownership vs. bake sales?

he sounds like he's sour grapes


I don't know the other guy, does he have a radio show, or a webcast?

[Darkhawk32]

81. That's quite possible. He lost his spot in the country's #4 market.

That's huge. And he's upset that a group jumped him beforehand.

[benburch]

173. And it isn't donations!

It is ADVERTISING. TEN years worth of ADVERTISING.

And at a bargain rate!

[guidod]

132. What do you nean,NOW?

[fooj]

19. OK. I'm gonna listen.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[Nickster]

27. Wow, what a jackass. Guess it's time to drop him a line and thank him for

being a part of Air America. He really enjoys being thanked for that. Heh heh...

[ourbluenation]

28. to get from red to blue some folks need a bridge. Big eddie is that bridge

He's a moderate, and much of his fan base is the same. It's a big tent, right?

[lostnfound]

52. Hopefully they aren't getting on a bridge that's got a hidden right turn

What if he builds up loyalty and then steers the rudder slowly rightward?

[CTyankee]

129. I remember when he said on the air that he was pro life

that was a while back. Hasn't done that in a while. So I think his thinking has "evolved."

That's fine, tho. Don't we want more converts?

[guidod]

134. You wouldn't think so

listening to some of these people. Why do some libs enjoy shooting themselves in the foot?

[tishaLA]

29. So they don't like each other...

What's the big deal? If somebody told Randi Rhodes she "says on her website" she's the leading progressive talker and intimated that she wasn't truthful, I'm sure she'd take exception to it, too. It was a shitty way to start the interview and it went downhill from there, as was to be expected considering what seems like the personality defects of both parties.

[LuCifer]

31. A little bird told me the following...

(The following was emailed to me a few months ago)

Randi, Mike, Nancy Skinner, Thom Hartmann and I were in D.C. at a meeting and Schultz walked in. Randi just bristled at the sight of him. This is before he was syndicated. She told me the whole story of how he was in bed with Tom Daschle so Daschle could use Ed to win his seat in North Dakota. Well, it didn't work for Daschle but Schultz sure came out smelling like a rose. He is about as Liberal as Orrin Hatch. He sold out for the money.

I e-mailed Schultz after he went national one day after he had made a remark totally offensive to all Liberals such as myself. I told him no true Liberal would appreciate his remark. He wrote back: "Who cares what liberals think! This is entertainment pal!"
I think that quote tells the whole story about him. Anyway, I thought you might enjoy some more quotes from him. This is in no way sour grapes. I just don't like the guy because he is NOT what he is pretending to be just to get a fat paycheck.

Turn to the right: "Yeah, it's cold out, but you'd think these people could figure out how to get out of it. How about getting a job?" —1993
Now turn to the left: "A lot of these homeless folks are Vietnam veterans. . . . We've turned our back on these people after they gave to the country. What's wrong with this picture?" —2001
Move 2: Farm Subsidies
Slide to the right: "The American farmer's hat is bent from being stuck in the mailbox waiting for the government check." —1994
Now slide to the left: "This country can't survive without the American farmer. . . . We aren't just subsidizing the farmer, we are making it possible for every American to purchase food." —2000
Move 3: Universal Health Care
Dip to the right: "Why should I have to take care of somebody down the street because I am successful and they have failed?" —1995
Now dip to the left: "The health-care industry and the lack of coverage for millions of Americans has to be on the table. We need a universal package." —2001
Copyright © 1997-2003 by the Hearst Corporation.

Sorry but people just don't change that drastically.

[BuyingThyme]

35. So, where can I read about the success/status of the fund raising?

[benburch]

45. Thought it would be obvious!

Mike Newcomb is only on the air now because the fundraising succeeded.

[BuyingThyme]

48. I'll take that as an "I don't know."

[stevedeshazer]

123. This is pretty interesting stuff

I can't vouch for it's authenticity, though: http://southdakotapolitics.blogs.com/south_dakota_politics/ed_schultz_watch/index.html

'Ed Schultz Watch'

[Qanisqineq]

36. one small correction

Daschle is in South Dakota, not North

[EFerrari]

56. It's cr@p AND it's not entertainment. n/t

[Gloria]

111. Wasn't Schultz recruited by the likes of Daschle and Hillary??

I seem to recall reading an article from a mainstream sourced about a party/meeting where they all schmoozed and the deal was struck. It may even have been at Hillary's house. I know she was definitely involved.

[guidod]

135. Yeah, some people do!

5 years is a long time in politics and you're going back 13 years. Get real!

[Pushed To The Left]

219. I was still a "swing voter" 5 years ago! n/t

[mopinko]

32. maybe wcpt will drop him, and i can get randi.

what the hell is his problem? why is he on aar in the drobney's back yard, anyway. maybe they will dump his pomopous ass.

[benburch]

46. Write them.

Only if they hear from listeners can they decide what is right for their market!

[Deb]

33. What a jerk. I'll take a homemade bake sale over

a plastic wrapped Hostess HO HO any day, that garbage leaves a bad aftertaste. We stopped listening to Mr. Ho Ho long ago.

[guidod]

158. All of you NEOLIBS don't like him,

to bad you have to be so close minded.

[benburch]

198. You've invented a new word.

Care to define it?

[benburch]

230. I guess not?

You insult people with a word you made up and which you then will not define?

Classless.

[SnoopDog]

34. What a contradiction...

To say that is not how radio is done... or how 'major radio operates' - who cares is right!

What I see are liberal/progressives coming together to win back our country thru whatever means possible. And selling pixels is selling a 'product or service'. It was ingenious. And it brought people together for a very important cause.

You have to wonder about somebody who knocks success.

The contradiction I reference is being a 'lefty' (Ed) and knocking something that advances democracy in America.

[walldude]

37. I've been saying this since the start of AAR

Shultz is a blowhard. He'll talk a great game until he has to interview someone then it's softballs and hugs all the way. After I heard him interview Lieberman I was done with his sorry ass. Have been flamed many times on DU for it too. Same as the Dixie Chicks. Eventually people here are going to find out that just because they stood against Bush doesn't mean that they are nice people...

[Pirate Smile]

38. Throwing in a slam at the Dixie Chicks? Where the hell did that come

from and why?

[benburch]

47. He's not AAR.

He's Jones.

[guidod]

159. So we ignore his guests like Boxer,

Kennedy, Kerry, Sheehan Pelosi and others. And we pay no attention towards his hard work for unions and veterans. And we forget he backed Feingold when he tried to censure Bush, I see. Maybe sorry asses like you should stop beating up on progressive radio announcers, especially the #1 progressive radio announcer in the country. You're full of good ideas.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

161. He's not PURE!

He doesn't froth at the mouth when slamming Bush! It's not good enough!

:sarcasm:

[hlthe2b]

39. Wow, just Wow.... I can't say I'm surprised.

His ego is becoming as immense and out of control as Limbaugh's. Ironically, he sounds tremendously like Limbaugh, as well.


The story is that his wife "converted" him. It's too bad she's not been able to keep him grounded. I can just imagine what transpired between Schultz and Randi Rhodes. It appears Mike Malloy, similarly hates him.

While I see where he may serve some purpose in reaching some of the "Reagan Democrats," I think I've had quite enough, thank you.

[rucky]

40. What a dick. nt

[napi21]

41. So two talk show hosts had a spat on air. TS

I still listen to Ed every day, and that's MY choice. It's yours not to listen.

I don't know if the guys from Phoenix stream their show or not. Sorry, but that's the ONLY way I can get liberal talk radio here in GEORGIA!!!!!

It sounds like both shows have a place on the dial, so why don't we quit slamming any of the few liberal hosts that exist on radio these days and just listen to what we chose personally.

[Norwood]

42. I dont have the stomach to listen to Ed

He is necessary for us and does help in the end. Moderates on both sides will be much more likely to listen to him, as opposed to lets say Malloy(Who I prefer hands down). Someone said earlier that he is kinda like a bridge and thats about the best way to put it.

I'm not gonna listen to him, but he may help sway some republicans/centrists, whatever our way.

[EFerrari]

43. K&R

[0007]

44. He's on some trip!

[KyuzoGator]

49. Total dickhead. Never liked him.

This confirms it further.

[Poll_Blind]

50. I knew nothing of these issues before this post and don't listen to either

...although I've heard Ed Schultz about 5 times. I don't really care for him. However, I care less for the other guy- what an asshole. Not really knowing either of them, listen to what they're arguing about. Ed's arguing a point. The other guy is trying to pin innuendo on him.

My guess, in a year Ed will still be on the air.

PB

[DTinAZ]

67. Just the opposite!

I think you've got the players bass-ackwards....Schultz was the total a*hole in this exchange, clear as day. I've listened to Schultz 100's of times, the same with Dr. Mike Newcomb, and Schultz was evading his questions. That wasn't "innuendo" -- it was the truth, and Ed was NOT about truth this morning.

DT

[jazzjunkysue]

51. I heard Stephanie (is it Miller?) for the 1st time driving this week out

of my area. I'd never heard her before. She's not on WLIB. I'm used to Randi.

Well, I'll probably get hit with spit balls for this, but I thought she was over-produced (too many gags and sound effects) and also she was nothing but angry and defensive.

Now, OK. It was one hour, and maybe on other days she's not like that, but I doubt it. She seemed to be pretty happy with herself and kept the other people on there with her in check. They were obviously just there to listen to her. She was quite nasty and derisive about anything un-liberal, just like O'Reilly and Limbaugh. I think we could do better.

Now, Randi can have bad days and she's not real nice to her callers, but, she's never wrong, and she's got a heart of gold. She's about 50-50 positive about some things and negative about the Bush admin, but, she doesn't do the cheap hit-and-run thrash and trash that stephanie does. She explains her arguement and gives the devil his due. When a righty does or says something good, she acknowledges that, too.

Randi's got much more credibility. Quite possibly total credibility. And she doesn't hide behind all those gimmicks.

[Pirate Smile]

60. Stephanie Miller's show is great. If it isn't your thing, OK but I don't

know why we keep pitting left-leaning talk show hosts against each other.

It isn't exactly a Randi or Stephanie choice. I believe they actually like each other. I've heard Stephanie talk about Randi - calling her the Goddess of talk radio or something like that.

As with any show, you get to know the personalities and how they play off each other, the running gags, etc. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. Jim Ward ~ the voice monkey ~ is outstanding.

Thank goodness we actually have quite a few of them now.

[benburch]

71. I know hat first impressions are hard to overcome.

But give her a second chance when you can.

[austengirl]

105. In defense of the show...

Stephanie and Co. don't pretend to be anything than entertainment with a liberal slant. The show doesn't have much substance as far "real" news goes, but it's frequently hilarious, IMHO. Maybe not your cup of tea, but that's why there's different shows, different hosts and different points of view - so you can pick what you like. No one's forcing you to listen.

[guidod]

121. The Stephanie Miller show is a

comedy show, lighten up.

[jazzjunkysue]

145. I didn't find it funny.

[guidod]

149. Some do and some don't.

My brother doesn't like her but I think she's alright, not the best but alright. She's on in L.A. from 6:00 A.M. until 9:00, so I don't hear a lot of her. After that it's Al Franken who I don't really care for. I listen to Thom Hartmann on my computerr instead.

[jazzjunkysue]

168. Thom's superb. Al's good for beginners and converts. He's softer.

People who are just starting to think about politics or question the rightwingers need to start with someone loose and light. I know Al's not anywhere near as good as Randi, but, he's a better recruiter for some people. So's Thom, for that matter.

[Eric J in MN]

152. "The Stephanie Miller Show" is the most produced liberal

radio show I've heard.

It makes it different from the rest. I'm glad she's using sound-effects and the guy who does impressions to make her show different.

[ruggerson]

53. Explain to me why internecine fighting between two talk jocks is important

?

[seaside]

57. It's not..

but it does indicate that we've got voices out there for a change. Five years ago, for me at least, I didn't have either to choose from. So thank goodness, we have one OR MORE to take issue with :woohoo:

[wryter2000]

97. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[otohara]

54. Wow, He Really Sounds Like Limpball in That

a typical old time radio guy with an out of control ego.

Why would Shultz be so offended by the grassroots efforts in Phoenix, which DID get AAR back on the air?

As a recovering former radio employee, I'm amazed they pulled this off in 4 weeks. They should be applauded not insulted so rudely

[Gman]

55. There's nothing wrong with Ed Schultz

sorry you don't like him but he plays a very valuable role by attracting those that are turned off by what they see as wild-eyed liberals.

[QC]

65. But he's IMPURE!!! IMPURE, I tell you!!! n/t

[Gman]

84. My feelings about people like that run from

mildly amused to generally pissed off. Depending on what's going on. Same people that must stop Hillary slam Bill. They're the most naive of all here.

[liberalpress]

93. We must STAMP OUT IMPURITY

We must all THINK ALIKE
We must all ACT ALIKE
We muat all BE ALIKE

[titoresque]

109. good grief!

I don't see that this is what the OP is trying to say here. Did you even listen to the clips?! Big Eddy say's it himself, he's "all about the profit"
He's nothing but one long boring blowhard of a commercial! He was a fucking repuke most of his life and only switched sides recently (in the scheme of things) because there was a bigger market in liberal radio. He's a damn fake. No one is saying to "think like me....blah,blah,blah" I appreciate the OP posting this to expose a little more info about a man who could give a shit less about progressive talk radio in terms of actually getting the word out about this corrupt regime. Big Ed is all about the paycheck.....THATS ALL!
I was listening in to the entire conversation between Newcomb and Ed and what isnt on the clip is what Newcomb had to say about his own personal situation. That is, Newcomb is a very successful doctor and does not collect a paycheck from Air America for his 3 hour daily show. He doesnt have to. In turn this puts him in a more honest position. He tells the truth. He doesnt fear reprocussion from any outside source because he isnt dependant on a pay check from the show for his lively hood. I understand that there are very honest radio show hosts that do collect a paycheck......and then theirs Ed. Like he said "I'm all about the profit"

[Dartagnan]

144. Exactly!

If you want Schultz's bona fides, listen to the show regularly. It is important for him to be successful. It gets him on more stations, and each one that he is on helps to spread the cause.

Not everything has to be run as a grass roots organization.

[Gman]

108. That's the problem with a lot of the really out there liberals

they want extreme conformance to a purely liberal (as they and only they define "liberal") ideology.

This is the current mentality gripping and tearing apart the GOP. There are those that don't agree with the extremist right wing ideology and are revolting against their demands for ideological purity.

I've seen this movie as many times as I've seen "It's A Wonderful Life". Then 10 years go by and everyone gets mass amnesia and forgets what happened the last time this stuff occurred. Often, as is happening now, the young 20-somethings were 10 years old or a bit more the last go round of this stuff. When it was really bad in the 70's and early 80's, they weren't even born yet and we all know the world began when they became politically aware few years ago.

The GOP will self-destruct shortly. The will endure the 10 year memory-cleansing period then roll back out the same ideas that were rejected previously. In that 10 years, liberals will dominate, extremists will push harder and harder till liberals self-destruct. The cycle begins again.

[Touchdown]

118. Wow. Isn't that a load of crap!

they want extreme conformance to a purely liberal (as they and only they define "liberal") ideology.

This is about a blowhard whore for profit, who's heart isn't in liberalism at all. Mouthing the words, but not believing them is what got us into this mess in the first place.It's about a man who's pissed off that he couldn't get Randi Rhodes kicked off AAR and himself put in her place (as she has said on a few shows). It's about sour grapes that his deal didn't go through, and this Phoenix station was bought out from under him.

This thread is not an issue of ideological purity. Quit with the orwellian misdirection.

[ginnyinWI]

88. I like him too, Gman

I trust that his heart is in the right place. People sure like to pile on, don't they.

[Gman]

107. I like Schultz

There's some things on which I don't agree with him, but I agree his heart is in the right place. He is an excellent representative of the reasonable side of the party in stead of the shrill "I can out-liberal you" crowd.

[titoresque]

110. and whats the "right place" ??

that corporate money is better for progressive radio than money from the community? That commercial radio is more honest when exposing a corrupt regime?
is that what you trust? Because thats pretty much in a nut-shell what Big Eddy wants you to know.

[guidod]

122. I like Ed Schultz as well

We need everyone we can get.

[titoresque]

61. Thanks! I was going to post this earlier.....

got busy. I was listening in this a.m. here in Phx. after dropping the kids off at school and I got so pissed I think I went on auto pilot for awhile....yikes!

Thanks for posting!
Ed is such a damn asshole! I never liked this jerk! The last time I listened to his show was when a caller called in to report that she and her husband were driving from Ca. to Crawford when Cindy was there and that they were closing up there little mom and pop restaurant to make the trip. The caller was very excited and really wanted to talk about what was going on in Crawford and that damn bastard "Big Eddy" kept derailing the conversation and basically wanted to turn the call into a fu*king commercial for this couples restaurant. The caller kept trying to stay on point and he kept bringing back to the damn restaurant menu. UGHHHH! The caller seemed pretty disgusted by the whole thing by the end of the conversation. I could never stomach to listen to that asshole again!

[brainshrub]

62. Wow. He has lost it. (oem)

[MadisonProgressive]

63. The guys a raving lunatic!

He seems to have a lot of hatred towards people like us!

[guidod]

153. No, Randi Rhodes is a raving lunatic

but I listen to her because I hear information from her before I do anyone else. But she has a big mouth. There has to be something you like about Ed, I don't know why we have to shoot our own. If you don't like him fine, but why do you have to bd mouth him?

[Zorra]

66. I just don't get why he's so freaked out - Phoenix lost Air America,

and then got it back on another station. Why isn't he glad Air America is back in Phoenix?

I believe Ed Schultz was on Air America Phoenix before their station was bought out by some crazy fundies.

Is he angry because he is no longer carried by the new Air America Phoenix? Is he angry because Air America Phoenix got back on the air through public support? And what is wrong with that?

That diatribe did not make logical sense to me.

Did I miss something?

(Shakes head in disbelief)

[DTinAZ]

68. The previous station....

...was "Air America" in name only, in that it was owned by conservatives, managed by a libertarian, and the primary local host (the only one who was paid) was a libertarian. And don't forget that Schultz isn't affiliated with Air America, but the old station carried his full show. I listened enought to determine that he is a semi-literate, jump-to-conclusions at the drop of a hat, egomaniacal windbag!

He wanted things done HIS way, but his plan was to get rich friends to buy the old station back from the new ownership who bought it just to take progressive radio off the air in a large market....a STUPID plan and so no wonder it didn't work.

There's nothing at all wrong with the way our local folks involved the "grass roots" in their effort at resurrecting Air America Phoenix. They're doing a damn fine job, and I'm sure that bugs the hell out of Big Headdy!

DT

[nicknameless]

79. "Big Headdy"!

:D

[wake.up.america]

86. Ed Schultz is a blow hard with no soul.

[dave123williams]

75. He's modeled himself after Limbaugh - kind of sounds like him, IMHO

Too much yelling for my taste.

[Judi Lynn]

76. Oh, wow. Thank you, Ben Burch. That was sickening.

I turned off his show recently and haven't been able to turn it on again, BEFORE hearing your clip.

One more day wasted hearing about how much he can fish and hunt the hell out of our country's wildlife and I'd have to be locked up, anyway.

I had no idea the big, ol', lovable image he tries to project could turn this completely vicious against a "fellow" liberal.

He's no liberal. He rarely takes time to think anything over. He's shallow. That means he's a right-wingding.

You did DU'ers a real favor here. Sure glad to have my eyes opened.

[benburch]

80. You are welcome!

But we should all thank Little Eddie for showing us, finally, what sort of freeper trash he really is.

[pa28]

77. What a jerk.

I've never heard Schultz before and I certainly won't bother listening now.

[LaPera]

78. Well this sure as fuck doesn't help my suspected opinion of Schultz...

And after listening to the clip...schultz is in it only for the money...his heart is not there and it needs to be, to fight these vicious greedy lying selfish corporate fascist republicans...It's going to be a long hard fight and the corporations & republicans have all the money & power...

SUPPORT AIR AMERICA RADIO (AAR)

Buy some AAR gear.

airamericaradio.com

[guidod]

193. How else would someone feed

their family, work for free?

[Darkhawk32]

82. I've always avoided his show, sounds too much like Rush.

And now this confirms it. I won't be listening.

[Darkhawk32]

83. How far back is Al and Randi to his ratings/stations/etc.? n/t

[DesertRat]

85. Kick

:kick:

[stillrockin]

87. Ed Schultz is a narcissistic dope

"The out of bounds left" . . . what the hell is that about? Here's a newsflash, Ed: you're not some brilliant economic genius that we poor "bake sale", "fringe", "pimping" extremists can't keep up with. You can take your MBA (Master of Bilious Absurdities) and your Ed Head gear and shove it all up your pompous ass.

I used to have Sirius to listen to Air America. When they left, I gave Alex, Ed, and Lynn a try. I couldn't stand any of them, got a refund for the rest of my subscription, and sold my Sirius equipment on Ebay.

B-)

[nicknameless]

89. What a blustery, egomaniacal pinhead.

As progressive as Orin Hatch, indeed.
Yuck.

[Strawman]

90. that was a worthless pissing contest, IMO

that underscores the need for non-commerical radio and television broadcasting. All segments of the public should be able to be heard in the public sphere. You shouldn't have to prove you can sell anything, be it commericals or pixels on some website to be heard.

[Beelzebud]

91. The fact that he says "Git R Done" seals the deal for me...

Calling the Pheonix guys "nuts" for bringing back AAR..

Who the fuck does this idiot think he is?

[FormerDittoHead]

92. Mike Malloy called him out - and that was good enough for me...

I hadn't listened that much to Schultz - I just don't have that much time to listen to radio with THESE TWO GUYS:



ANYWAY, Mike called him out on the air and that was when I decided not to bother with him any more...

I WILL listen to those links, btw, just to see HOW CORRECT Mike was about him...

[benburch]

99. If you get an iPod...

you will find that ALL of the shows on White Rose are podcast!

[Jim Warren]

94. An opportunist sensing a sea-change

He's another whore who could turn on you in a minute if he thought it would butter his bread.

That being said, he's probably useful in the short run; there are a lot of people out there who voted for bush and now are looking for a "strong" voice to run to.

[Festivito]

100. He's a risk, but, he's reaching a crowd the rest don't touch.

I can find severe problems with EACH of the AAR lineup.
But, I don't like Rush either, Rush makes me bristle with anger.

I'll say: Ed does not get it. BUT,
Ed speaks to a certain group that cannot stand a sometimes crass Randi, cannot stand dark Malloy, cannot stand Springer predjudicially, and find Al annoying. (Rachel is of course perfect, except I wouldn't be good enough for her. Wrong gender)

When we get a dozen stations in each city, then, Ed can be on just one of them, not all of them. Until then,

He's speaking to a group the rest cannot reach.

He's a risk, but, he's reaching that crowd.

[Coexist]

101. I like Ed, I like Randi, I like Guy, I like Thom, I like Bill

They are all on our side, for the most part. I don't always agree with Ed's moderation, Randi's shrillness and talking over her guests, Guy's lack of oomph, Thom's a little left of even ME sometimes, and I always miss too much of Bill because he is on so early.

You know what - I don't expect any of them to change for little ol' me. I take them -lumps and all.

They get a message out to counter the one on the right. Huge step. Period. Ed reaches a larger audience, and those nervous people who are flirting with being a Democrat again are NOT turned off by him. Huge step. He gets KILLER guests on his show - Senators and Congresscritters and Newspeople galore. So I will listen to him to hear the people I want to hear. Do I have to personally adore him? No.

What I just listened to sounded like an old fashioned pissing match between competitive people.

Jeepers, people. I am constantly being lectured to about the "Big Tent" when I am not center enough - is it really my turn to lecture?!!

[ceile]

103. I got 3 mins in and turned him off

What a prick! Maybe he nad Rush could cohost a show. Who would be Hannity and who would be Colmes?

[titoresque]

106. kick!

[babsbunny]

112. You can send an email to the producer of Ed's show!

[email protected]

[guidod]

125. And, the producer answers your e-mails.

Why are people shooting the messenger?

[LaPera]

113. Support Air America Radio! Join AAR Premium...

Even if you won't use it. It helps the ONLY liberal national network.

Think if AAR was gone after tonight, at midnight, never on the airwaves, or XM or Internet again...Gone forever...

There's many right-wingers who would be ecstatic!

www.airamericaradio.com

[benburch]

114. There is another network. A new network!

http://www.headonradionetwork.com/

AAR is no longer the only game in town.

[LaPera]

115. No Mike Malloy, Randi, Thom Hartmann or Peter B...not much of a network

[benburch]

116. As one of the owners I am deeply insulted.

And we will be developing shows as we progress and some of those people will likely be working for us, at least, we hope so.

[YouthInAsia]

139. I only like Bob Kincaid on that channel. He's great.

But it's good there are more and more lib stations coming out!!!

[benburch]

150. Have a listen to the Cup O Joe show tomorrow night.

Well worth the two hours.

[YouthInAsia]

157. I will do that. Thanks for the suggestion!

[benburch]

222. Did you have a chance to listen?

What did you think?

[Dartagnan]

151. Fine - join them!

Building a new radio network sounds like a lot of work. It takes time to find the audience. However, if after a certain period of time, you're still not making it from a business standpoint, something needs to change. AAR has made significant changes already, and they'll probably continue to do so. I like listening to Al, and then I switch over to Schultz when Al is done. That's 6 hours of left-leaning radio a day. I see little difference in political point of view between Al and Ed.

I agree with Ed's comments on "bake-sale" radio. That's a hobby, not a business. If it was on a university, that's one thing, but as a business, it can't be taken seriously.

[guidod]

120. Let's keep shooting ourselves in the foot...

Who out there thinks we will win back the Congress or the White House if we keep shooting our messengers? There's nothing wrong with Ed Schultz. He may not be as far left as me or you but we need him. Let's make all the Republicans happy shoot our own. Why do so many democrats have to be so narrow minded?

[jsamuel]

124. geez, he sounds just like Rush Limbaugh...

creepy...

[Synnical]

136. Why do these Ed Schultz comments remind me of

this regarding the Village Voice:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/145245

(major snippage)

From Tim Redmond, executive editor at the San Francisco Bay Guardian.

And what the folks from New Times, now known as Village Voice Media, want to do, they want to buy up alternative papers all around the country and make them all the same. You know, I don't think anyone should own 17 alternative papers. And I particularly don't think a company run by people who despise activism, who are not activists and don't think of themselves journalistically as activists, who don't endorse candidates, who don't take stands on issues, who haven't even come out against the war, should be taking over the Village Voice. It's really sad. I mean, the Voice was always part of the activist tradition of the alternative press. And, you know, in the same way that a few big chains like Gannett have bought up and control most of the daily newspapers in the United States and a few big corporations like Clear Channel control an awful lot of the radio, a few big corporations control most of the TV, if we go that way in the alternative press, it's going to be very sad, particularly, as I say, when it is an operation that doesn't believe in activist politics. That's not what the alternative press has been about.

And a kick for ben :) because I've never listen to Schultz - who is on opposite of Randi here in Fort Lauderdale - I listen to the crappy reception from WJNO in Palm Beach, Randi's home station.

-Cindy in Fort Lauderdale

[YouthInAsia]

138. Sounds like a reich-winger. I never liked his show to begin with.

Would never trade the Randi Rhodes show for his quasi-rebublican asshat show. F' him.
Actually, upon listening to the second clip, he sounds like LImbaugh.

[benburch]

140. Sick of Big Ed? Go to small eddie dot com!

http://smalleddie.com/

[DTinAZ]

141. I think it's time for a cease-fire

I'm done "piling on" and now agree with those who are calling for a cease fire in the "Ed vs. Phoenix" situation. I think this is counterproductive and I for one apologize for any "shots" I've taken at Ed and "Team Fargo" here or elsewhere. It's time to think about the greater good. In the comments at the "smalleddie" site, I've offered some money if they'll take it down.

Ben, if you're involved, consider the offer a donation towards your White Rose Society site.

DT

[benburch]

142. Nope. Not my site, so I couldn't call off the dogs if I wanted to.

Not that I would want to, after hearing how he treated Mike Newcomb, and talked about my friend Sheldon.

[DTinAZ]

143. OK

I've gone back over a lot of the "evidence," and I now think that there may by a possibility as classifying some of it as an "unfortunate misunderstanding" and some of it as misplaced ego. I was pretty mad for a long time...up until tonight, in fact, but I've finally come around to the idea that this is really a "circular firing squad" and not serving the greater good.

I listened to all the audio, Ben....what specifically did he say about Sheldon? I thought I only heard a brief mention of his name, and even that was mispronounced ("Drodny").

I don't care for Ed's style, or for the way he jumps to conclusions without having enough facts, but nobody's perfect. I'm to the "live and let live" stage now, and really think we should move on.

DT

[benburch]

147. Called him a "Pimp".

Them's fightin' words were I come from.

[DTinAZ]

154. Well, no...he said...

...that Dr. Newcomb was "pimping the public," and that was a pretty strange comment, but he didn't say "you're a pimp" or anything like that. Not meaning to split hairs, but I can run without being a "runner" or post a message on a blog without really being a "blogger."

I think that this whole thing has gotten blown WAY out of proportion, and my offer to whomever put up the "smalleddie" site is still open....I'll pay $$ to take it offline. I'll pay much more than the cost of registering the domain.

DT

[benburch]

155. There is a word for people who would compromise what they believe for $$$

Republicans.

[Name removed]

146. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[benburch]

148. Nice personal attack on Guy James.

I don't think you have a clue about the whys and wherefores of the whole vetwife thing.

As I understand the matter, She is no traitor to us. She loves us here and wishes she could be here. But the non-profit veteran's group she runs HAS to be non-partisan, and so she HAD to engage on both right wing and left wing boards or risk losing that status. Sadly, this ran afoul of DU rules.

That's my third-hand understanding of the matter, and so you should verify it.

Why don't you write her and ask?

Did you ever give her the common courtesy of asking her for yourself to explain herself?

Email me a message to be sent to her, and I will pass it along as I have her email address from when she donated to White Rose last.

[tishaLA]

167. It's not an "attack"

It's what I heard him do on the day she was banned from DU for posting very hostile anti-DU messages on conservative sites. I don't consider it an attack to post what someone has said or done: I call it stating the truth about what he said and how he responded to her.

But then again, when Mr. James gave that little reach-around, I didn't post a thread about why I *can't stand* him for consoling someone who had publicly betrayed progressives. I realize that most people who call themselves progressives do things with which I disagree--like the Randi example I cited above--and I leave it at that. Hell, if I couldn't stand radio personalities for behaving like dicks now and then, I'd never listen to the radio. But we all have a threshold; Mr. Schultz has clearly crossed yours, but not mine, just as Mr. James crossed mine, but not yours, when he gave deep, wet radio kisses to vetwife.

FWIW, Mr. Schultz is often too moderate in his views for my taste, but I think DUers are not the ideal audience for him anyhow. I think he appeals more to non-activists and to people in the flyover who want comforting homilies with their pro-union/farmer talk.

[benburch]

170. It most certainly was a personal attack.

And one with nothing to support it except your obviously flawed recollection.

[benburch]

172. Seems I am not the only one who thought that was an attack... nt

[BeachBuckeye]

227. I'm afraid you have no idea what you are talking about

Your conclusions are, at the very least, insulting and completely full of crap. After having broadcast my programs over the last 3+ years the notion that I am anything but a loyal Yellow-Dog Democrat is laughable.

[benburch]

229. And worse, Guy, he does not even want the truth.

I offered to pass any questions he had to vetwife, and he has not taken me up on the offer. He instead is going to make character assassination attempts on both you and her without bothering to find the facts.

[Chomskyite]

156. I want the Ed Schultzes and I want the Alex Joneses too

We need the whole spectrum of ideology between middle-left, liberal-left, Left, and shock-troop Left to get our issues decided our way. I don't care if Ed eats cute little kittens for breakfast. If what he does wins voters who'll get Congress and the White House back for us, I want him on the radio.

[Pryderi]

160. Mike and Ed are both obnoxious in this interview. Mike was more obnoxious

Look, Ed is not as liberal as I like, but he does (as someone suggested) builds a bridge between red and blue. I live in the Cincinnati area and what is great about having Ed on OUR station is that if a listener likes his show, the listener might also start listening to Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, Rachel Maddow et al.

I can't stand the arrogance of some of you thin-skinned progressives! Ed is providing a much needed service in getting Repugs to start listening to more moderate and progressive voices.

Schultz's original point is that radio stations have to sell advertising. You need restaurants, auto dealerships, and other businesses to buy radio time.

AND IT'S UP TO US TO PATRONIZE BUSINESSES THAT SPEND MONEY TO ADVERTISE ON PROGRESSIVE RADIO!!!

I've signed up for spent money on audible.com, when I subscribed to "The Nation" I mentioned the station where I heard the ad. I've called businesses. whose products and services I don't need right now. and thanked them for supporting progressive radio! I told them if/when I have a need for their product or service that I would buy from them in the future.

I'm considering calling local businesses that I've heard advertise on other radio stations and ask them why they're not buying ads on the progressive talk radio station.

What Ed Schultz is saying is that the goddamned Phoenix radio station salespeople better get out there and start selling because getting individual donors is not going to keep the station afloat forever!

And by the way, benburch, I am a subscriber to your service and enjoy it.

[ESS Mod]

162. Can't we let this go and move on?

Hi all,

My first post here (though I've lurked for a year or two).

I'm the main mod. and administrator at the ESS message board, and I want to say that I think we should all try to stick together. This whole issue is childish (IMHO) and completely out of hand; the righties just love it when we fight amongst ourselves, and we should stop doing it.

I personally think that there may have been some misunderstandings and some bruised egoes involved, but I think it's all ridiculous. We need to band together if we want to succeed.

Sure, we've all got our favorite radio personalities-isn't that a nice, refreshing change?

But, still, there are no reasons to pit them against each other. Personally, I like Stephanie Miller, Al, Ed, and Randi (in no particular order), but they all offer something different; it would be a boring progressive radio day if they didnt, wouldn't it? Take joy in the fact that we've finally got a choice.

I would also like to say to all of Ed's detractors that he is honest and genuine. He has supported Cindy Sheehan, started a fund for Katrina victims, lashed out repeatedly at the Bush administration, and was one of the most vocal supporters of Feingold's censure resolution - just to name a few things he's stood for. He also has probably the best guest list in the business (and I'm not saying this because of my personal affiliation, I do believe it's true).

I say, "Good luck to AAP," and I mean it with all of my heart; same with AAR-and their success I have more of a personal yearning for. I wish us liberals could just learn to unite and get along too.

Cheers,

Plunderer (the name I use on the ESS MB)

P.S. These words represent my thoughts, and my thoughts only. They are not connected with the Ed Schultz Show, nor Ed Schultz himself, nor his employees, in any way, shape, or fashion.

[benburch]

163. We might be able to move on.

On ONE condition.

If Ed issued a sincere and formal apology, and went on Mike Newcomb's show to deliver it.

[Holmey]

164. Sure, No probelm

As soon as Mike apologizes for calling Ed a
Charlatan
Not a true Progressive
Fraud
Sham
Insurgent
Doesn’t do his homework
Jerk
Phony
Arrogant
Only turned Democrat 2 years ago
Closet Republican
Took voice lessons to sound like Rush
Just talks about killing things.
A liar

And last but not least, comparing Ed to Hitler on his Friday, April 14th show.

Holmey
Producer
Ed Schultz Show

[benburch]

166. Well, then...

We see exactly what sort of people you are.

Have a nice life.

I'll see you in hell.

[Holmey]

175. Just take your shot

You can't defend the utter nonsense that Newcomb is spewing.

[benburch]

180. Not my job to defend it.

I was never even talking about what Mike Newcomb has said!

Only what Ed has said.

Those words on that clip speak volumes. Ed was not very smart to have gone on the air and revealed his character in this way. I suppose he thought it was safe enough; A small show on a small station in a podunk, mostly Republican town like Phoenix, AZ. But this is a different age. Those words are now digital, and those words are now posted to usenet and a million other places, and will never die. And I won't even have to help that happen, the millions of Democrats you have just pissed off will do that!

Try if you like, I'm sure you can destroy Mike Newcomb. And when you do. Long after nobody remembers his show, this clip will still be just as fresh and just as clear as the day it was recorded.

So, no, I'm not going to even try to defend Mike Newcomb.

Just like you are apparently not going to even try to defend Ed.

[benburch]

171. Oh, and...

You can expect to hear this clip in various venues for many, many years to come.

[Holmey]

176. Have at it

Post what ever you want, we have nothing to hide.

Do me a favor and post Mike comparing Ed to Hitler everywhere as well.

[benburch]

179. That's YOUR job.

And I think Mike is wrong to have done so.

Hitler was much smarter than Ed.

[guidod]

185. Holmey!!! I didn't know that was you,

you sly devil. Your show with Ed is the best on radio. I've been trying to defend Big Ed through a lot of this thread, but a few of them just don't get it.

[guidod]

196. Maybe Mike should apologize as well,

Ed was wrong but so was Mike. Better idea, let's sweep both of them under the rug. We'll never win elections this way!

[benburch]

199. It isn't to Mike that Ed needs to apologize.

I think you didn't understand the whole point behind my reaction to this unbelievable screed he vomited fourth.

He was insulting the people who paid to put AAR Phoenix on the air. The most dedicated members of the audience!

Sure he was insulting Mike, but Mike is a professional, and he understands that comes with the territory.

It is to each and every listener and each and every pixel-owner that Ed needs to make a humble and sincere apology.

After that, if Ed and Mike can find it in themselves to bury the hatchet, FINE. But that is gravy.

[guidod]

184. Well said, and your thoughts echo my responses as well.

A few posters here at DU are extremely narrow minded and I like to call them NEOLIBS. Luckily they're in a very small minority, you were just posting to one of them. I find Ed Schultz direct and to the point, he's the only progressive radio host that is carried on Armed Forces Radio to the ears of our troops. Keep listening to Ed Schultz and welcome to DU. :hi:

[chitty]

165. Best 2 words to describe Big Ed

Fake Laugh.
You just can't be that sincere with a fake laugh like that guy has.
Sounds like a bad imitation of Barney Rubble.

[guidod]

178. Why is he the #1 progressive talk

radio host in the Country?

[benburch]

181. The #1 jerk in progressive talk radio.

That much is true.

[guidod]

183. In your sorry ass opinion,

I wasn't even talking to you mister narrow minded! You REALLY don't want the libs to win do you?

[chitty]

201. Maybe the same

reason why Bush got over 50 million votes.
I don't know why this guy is #1, maybe because he's on more stations.
I still don't think he has 1 sincere bone in his body, never did. Never listen to him because of it. This crap with AAPHX just solidifies the deal for me. Sounds like big eddie has a big bunch of sour grapes to swallow.

[wtmusic]

174. What a total asshole

Never have listened to him and never will (now).

[guidod]

177. How do you make a decision

about a radio host without listening to them, yet you called him a "total asshole"? He's not the #1 progressive talk radio host in the Country for nothing. He's also the ONLY progressive talk radio host who is on Armed Forces Radio. The liberal troops in Iraq and Afghanistan listen to him, why don't you give him a try for a week then decide. Don't let other people make up your mind for you.

[wtmusic]

189. How can I say this...

what I just heard was a total asshole. An arrogant, belittling, insecure twit who somehow feels public contributions which fund AA are somehow less valid than the fucking commercials for Wendy's Hamburgers (or whatever mega-corporate interest) that pay for his show.

If he truly is the "#1 progressive talk radio show host in the Country" all that confirms for me is the dismal state of American intellect. There is nothing, repeat *NOTHING* this idiot could say that I would want to listen to.

[guidod]

190. That's really sad,

considering the condition the liberal party is in right now. He even backs Feingold.

[guidod]

191. I almost forgot,

I hope you really enjoy the repugs that we have in Washington DC right now. If you don't increase the size of your tent we will all fail. Thanks for all the help!

[wtmusic]

195. My tent?!

Whether I listen to Ed or not means zip. But here's an idea to help pull us together--maybe Ed should increase the size of HIS tent...talk up AA's contribution to progressive radio instead of belittling it. Give fellow progressive Mike Newcombe a hand up instead of insulting him. Funny, in most industries being "professional" (as Ed so proudly labels himself) used to implicitly preclude personal attacks on your competition...

[guidod]

197. OUR tent...

You started this thread by saying you can't standEd Schultz. I listened to both links, Ed Schultz was wrong and so was Mike Necomb. I've heard a lot of name calling from a lot of people here, jackass, asshole and some saying they've never listened to Schultz but after this they never will.

When I say OUR tent I mean you, me, Schultz, Necomb, Rhodes, Maloy, Franken and every other lib in the country. If we keep battling each other we never will win an election. WE NEED A VERY LARGE TENT !

[The Revolution]

182. I listen to Ed quite a bit

Do we agree on every issue? No. Hell, I'm a socialist, most of DU doesn't agree with me on a lot of things, but I certainly am not going to condemn them to hell for it.

Ed is doing a good job. He's broadcasting a progressive message to a lot of people. But he gets as much flak on DU as any of the right-wing radio hosts (maybe even more).

[guidod]

186. I don't understand why some people

here at DU bad mouth Schultz so much. I don't agree with him on some issues but then I do on others. He was the only radio host, that I know of, that was backing Feingold's censure on Bush every day. There are a few of what I call libliars here at DU. We need a bigger tent.

[Puglover]

187. I appreciate what the guy does. If he gets ONE repuke on our side

that's a good thing. That being said, Randi makes him look like a rank amateur. That "I'm just plain folks like you" act is just that, an act. That coupled with the "Rush Limbaugh pod person voice" is a deal breaker for me.

I'm not surprised that he has a very large market. He's trying to appeal to the center/left. And as much I don't like it they are a HUGE group in the US.

Everytime I hear him say that tired "I'm a meat eatting, gun toting lefty spew I want to hurl. To me at least he is an obsequious pandering arrogant ass. But like it or not, many midwesterners eat that shit up.

edit for stupid spelling

[benburch]

188. A source who spoke on condition on anonymity asked me to post this;

Saw your post about Schultz. I have a story to tell you. Maybe you've heard it already but its interesting because I was involved.

Mike, Randi, Thom Hartman, The Turks, Nancy Skinner, myself and a couple of others attended a two day meeting a little over three years ago. It was held at the Rayburn building on Capitol Hill. It was sponsored by Democracy Radio Inc. which was headed up by Tom Athans, who is the husband of Senator Debbie Stabenow of Michigan.

Athans, thru his wife got this nice cushy job with a nice fat salary and he was to promote "Liberal Radio". The reason for this meeting was for him to get to know whatever "Liberal" talent there was available.

Randi and I were sitting in one of the House of Representative hearing rooms and this guy walks in and sits over in the corner by himself. It was Ed Schultz. Randi says to me: "The asshole over in the corner is that prick Ed Schultz from North Dakota." She had already had a problem with him of some kind and it was obvious she didn't like him even a little bit. Anyway, Tom Athans promised to help a couple of us out with money to buy airtime and promote some shows into syndication. He promised me to my face that Democracy Radio would do "whatever it takes" to get my show into syndication. From what I've heard he promised a couple of others at that meeting the same thing.

Well, that was the last time Athans had anything to do with any of us except Schultz. Tom Daschle was in trouble for his re-election bid and he went to Schultz (since Schultz was on the big station up there in Daschle's area) and made a deal with him. Sort of a "you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type deal." Schultz was a dyed in the wool conservative Republican at the time but he was on Fargo's biggest station. I'm told Daschle promised him that he (Daschle) would see to it that Schultz would have access to the money people in the Party thru him. Daschle hooked Schultz up with several Democratic Senators, including Hillary, Mary Landrieu, and some others who met down in New Orleans. The rest is history. Daschle lost but Schultz came out the big winner with a nice fat contract and the promise of all of the Democrat big-wigs appearing on his program anytime he wanted. Athans then got him syndicated with Jones network (along with Stephanie Miller who is also very well connected in D.C.) Now, Athans is a vice-president at AAR.

The idea that Schultz is any kind of Liberal whatsoever is laughable. Right after he started his program I listened to him one day and wrote him an e-mail stating that his attitude on the show was hardly Liberal. He wrote back: "Who gives a shit what Liberals want. This is MY radio show." He is a complete phoney. The part that really burns my ass is that Democrats on DU and elsewhere think this guy is one of us when all Schultz is doing is laughing at his audience behind their backs.

[Pryderi]

211. Want to *hear* why I really cannot stand benburch?

He's fucking obsessed with Ed Schultz.

[benburch]

216. Because I've posted two threads about him in four years?

Sheesh.

[Pryderi]

218. 2 threads in 1 week is a little much.

I don't know if you read my previous post in this thread about Ed.

[benburch]

220. The second was because I was asked to post it. nt

[Beausoir]

213. That audio sounds FAKE! I am NO Ed Schultz fan...but that does NOT sound

like his voice.

Maybe it's my audio on my computer....but something is definitely suspect with that clip.

The speech PATTERN sounds very much like Ed....but the voice is NOT Ed.

I should know...I used to work with him. He's a blow-in-the-wind type of guy. He can switch his convictions at the drop of a hat...but that doesn't even remotely resemble his voice.

He's an ass-klown, no doubt, but there is something REALLY off about that sound clip.

Maybe the clip is distorted???

[benburch]

215. He's not denying he called Mike's show. nt

[Beausoir]

217. I defer to you on this. It just sounds really strange...his voice

is different.

But, like I said...the speech pattern is definitely the same.

[benburch]

221. It is amazng what mixing board setings and compressors can do.

Sometimes they are just like voice changing machines.

Mike Malloy on the phone often sounds nothing like Mike Malloy on the radio, for example.

[lonestarnot]

223. Sniveling cur....

[benburch]

226. You shouldn't hold back so!

Tell us how you really feel! :rofl:

[lonestarnot]

228. teee heeee

[Chimichurri]

224. I'd rather listen to people powered media then to some hack

who's easily bought. What a waste Shultz is.

[Capn Sunshine]

231. This needs more discussion

It's rather like watching the Dem party meetings prior to the invasion of Iraq.

I think there's place for Ed Schultz, and many of you at DU seem to be of the opinion someone has to be "more left" to qualify in your pantheon.

Ed is an acquired taste, just like Randi, and more often than not I agree with his takes. I support a LOT of different candidates and viewpoints, from Hillary to Russ Feingold.

Ed, if you follow his story is a self admitted "convert" to the cause. I know some of you find this suspect, and it was a major problem I had with general Clark, but the fact remains, isn't this what we were trying to accomplish?

It's no accident that 66% of America is against Bush , his criminal behavior, and his conduct of the Iraq quagmire.

We ARE all in this together, and Ed, as frustrating as I find him at times, reflects a genuine middle of the country viewpoint shared by a whole spectrum of Democrats.

I know reason will prevail, especially if Holmey will remain at DU as a sounding board. There's a LOT of shit Ed says that is just wrong headed, IMO, and Ed has already demonstrated he will change his viewpoint if he discovers the right argument and logic. He often, like many of my brothers and sisters of the moderate ilk, just hasn't gotten te whole story.

So, you reactionary types here , take a step back. Ben Burch and Guy James, thanks for all you do. Mike, great job in Phoenix, but get some advertisers and put that bogus argument of Eds to rest.
Holmey, nice production, but PLEASE get some props from the progressive end of the party- have Jim Dean of DFA on.

We have a lot of work ahead to beat back the fascist scourge and their witless enablers,many of whom are following this thread (hi, pro fascist douchebags!:hi:) so let's try and patch things up pronto.