Crispin Miller says a big name is going to squawk about 2004 election.

[European Socialist]

Any ideas? (Thought this deserved a new thread)

[Skip Intro]

1. Gore?

[unblock]

6. frankly i'd much rather here from a credible republican insider

i know, i know, "credible republican" is an oxymoron....

[immoderate]

39. ***Alert -- C-SPAN2 is repeating Miller at 11 PM (EDT) tonight ***

At least I'm pretty sure.

Sorry, unblock, this is not a reply to you but an easy way to get it near the top.

--IMM

[WiseButAngrySara]

41. Thanks IMModerate! Was it good? ....n/t

[immoderate]

44. WAS IT GOOD??????!!!!!!

It seared! It soared! It sang! It slew!

Well, I liked it. :)

--IMM

[Peter Frank]

58. I'm with you...

It will be a credible "Conservative." ;)

[Stevepol]

60. Don't forget Miller also said a major polling agency would step out.

I'm guessing Zogby. It will take a lot of courage for a major polling group to announce they believe the 04 election was a fraud.

[Kurovski]

2. Howie Mandell?

[hootinholler]

20. No. Elvis!

[aden_nak]

3. I got the impression it'd be someone on the (moderate) right.

[joanski0]

4. I sure hope it's Al Gore.

Miller said something to the effect that it was a person who was familiar with all this and would be believable. Said the article would be written sometime at the end of this month.

[seabeyond]

21. al gore wont be believable. he has evident of 2000 and everyone

dismisses adn says poor loser

[MelissaB]

5. Interesting

I haven't seen all of the show from today. I taped it and will watch it later...

[Botany]

7. I want somebody to tear the lid off that box of rotten elephant meat

and show the world.

I live in Ohio and sometimes I feel like I am all alone. I saw and heard it happen.

[BeFree]

8. All alone

I know how you feel. But we shall overcome all obstacles. We will get our votes back.

[Peggy Day]

28. and it seems it will happen again

I was raised in Ohio, and to be honest, all the voting problems are shocking. My religious family doesn't seem to want to do anything about it. They stick their heads in the sand. I'm not sure what * would have to do to get thrown out of office. Personally, I was hoping on that lawsuit over the voting of 2004, but the wheels grind much too slowly. Look at how long the Fitzgerald's investigation has taken.
My only hope is that truth will win in the end.

[peanutbrittle]

9. Not sure who either , but...

I'm hoping it's a simmering volcano awaiting eruption.

[stillcool]

10. I would love it to be Tom Delay...

singing songs for a plea....or anyone else well connected to K-Street. Sweet dreams...

[IndyOp]

32. It might be Jack Abramoff - since you mentioned Delay...

Crispin Miller has been thinking/writing about who might've funded the theft of the election...

It costs a lot of $$$ to steal an election.

:shrug:

[iconoclastic cat]

11. Link to more info? His blog doesn't have anything. nt

[European Socialist]

15. See thread #4--that's about it.

[NEOhiodemocrat]

12. We can only hope

Hey, I am from Ohio also, so you are not alone! Sometimes it sure feels like it though. After the 2004 election when as a poll worker I kept telling all those provisional voters that their vote would be counted, I was really bummed out. Heck, now I doubt that the regular votes even got counted correctly.

[Shine]

13. Cool! n/t.

[LunaC]

14. According to the "leaker" posting at somethingawful.com

The Ohio election "fix" is common knowledge at the WH.

Everyone always takes presidential elections seriously, and anything can happen. I think Kerry actually did win, or at least would have won, but as a result of some stuff done in Ohio I won't go into, he didn't make it. This is one of the things people will go to jail over.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?s=01bc7ca0fa2e3e5df34ca44235da9073&threadid=1845896&perpage=40&pagenumber=10

The original DU thread is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x885163

[WiseButAngrySara]

43. Thanks for this! ...n/t

[Snotcicles]

16. Please tell me God spoke to Blackwell and said " fess up or feel the burn"

[glitch]

17. Maybe Kevin Phillips. He had to research the dominionists for his book,

perhaps he finally opened his eyes as a result of his own research.

Is it supposed to be a writer or a politician?

[European Socialist]

18. He said it would be someone who knows lots of people. I'm hoping for Oprah

[glitch]

19. Oh man, if it's Oprah. WOW. I was thinking it would be cool if it was

Walter Cronkite, or someone who carried a lot of weight with the elders.
"Knows a lot of people" could mean anybody though. Could mean some insider whose name we don't even know. I should've listened more closely.

[MelissaB]

36. Oprah really doesn't do too much political "stuff".

I'm not putting my money on her, but I don't know who to put it on. :shrug:

[SophieZ]

50. Not Kevin Phillips.

He was asked about hacked elections in 2000 and 2004 tonight (The Monitor, KPFT).

He thought 2000, if all the votes had been counted in Florida, would have gone to Gore. He did not think Ohio was stolen in 2004, he said.

To listen: http://archive.kpft.org
The Monitor - April 9
Phillips is the first interview, from about 15 minutes in to about 40 minutes in -- the election comment was after maybe 30 minutes.

[glitch]

62. Yeah, I heard that too. He actually said his reason for believing Ohio

wasn't stolen was that WV and another nearby state went for Bush too. As if they couldn't be stolen as well. Faulty logic, very disappointing.

[MissWaverly]

22. I vote for the terminator

He's the only one I can think of that does not follow lock step with the rest and although
he is right wing conservative; he cannot run for Prez because he is not native born so he
would have nothing to lose by opening Pandora's box and California is more liberal, he
would be painted as a "hero" there and probably win him votes.

[EFerrari]

30. Hi, Miss Waverly. As the Thuggery is in the process of

taking over California via HAVA, I'd be really surprised if it was Ahnold. But, I know the Grope is upset with the Dim Son because he was just turned down for emergency funds for our levies -- and one broke last week, flooding an area in Merced (Central Valley).

[MissWaverly]

35. I also think it would bolster the profile of the Republican Party

to have the "others" in; and although I am not a fan of Ahnald, I do think that for all his
tough talk that he is more of a moderate than Bushco.

[Jane Austin]

38. Goodness, No!

Miller said it was somebody who had read his book, as well as Conyers and two others, and had been persuaded.

DeLay wouldn't read those books, nor would he have had time to in the past few months, as he scrambles to save his own skin.

DeLay is too thoroughly a sleaze to be the least bit interested in election reform.

[MissWaverly]

45. I meant the Gov. of California

[Jane Austin]

54. Oh, my bad!

(Slaps self on forehead.)

I was thinking of the EX - Terminator!

Apologies.

[MissWaverly]

65. I think that's a pretty good joke actually

Bugman = exterminator
Terminator = Govinator

[Jane Austin]

66. And completely inadvertent on my part!

(and I hadn't been drinking, either.) :)

[goclark]

53. He would not win my vote ~ the groper is hated

and the best thing that he can do is go back to where he came from.

Oh, that's right, they don't like him there either. :)

[Twist_U_Up]

23. Ken Blackwell ?

[MissWaverly]

24. You made a good point, the leaker could be Katherine Harris

who would know more about election hanky panky than Ken Blackwell and Katherine Harris

[rucky]

68. They'll only talk after they've been indicted.

and it'll be to a prosecutor, not a journalist/prof.

[mandyky]

25. He said in a weekly magazine

Think Sy Hersch and the NYer will run it?
Newsweek and Howard Fineman?
Who knows, he said a big name..

[Scout1071]

26. Link? nt

[EFerrari]

27. He said it during a presentation aired on BookTv this morning.

It will rerun this pm, 11pm Eastern.

[LittleClarkie]

29. I don't need a big name

unless it's a big credible whistleblower name.

[IndyOp]

31. Susan Sarandon?!?!

Just kidding. Sometimes I gotta laugh or I'll just keep on crying -> :cry:

I started crying on 11/3/04 and haven't stopped...

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[radio4progressives]

33. I do not believe it will be Gore, I think it might be a Journalist

A respected Journalist.. (?)

Also, I remember reading this tease a while back, i can't remember how long it was now, or where i read it. i'd even forgotten about it until i heard Miller say it again on C-Span today. That was taped last week in March, and he said in the next few weeks/coming month. We're almost second week into April now, it has to happen in the next couple of weeks..


So i was thinking, who the hell would that be? Who has creds that Miller seemed to allude to possessing in the C/MSM?

Will it be Woodward? naaahhh..

Then all of a sudden Miller said something about the JFK assassination thingy, and pointed out that Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison is total garbage, it was a Lone Gunman, (Lee Harvey Oswald) blah blah blah blah...

All of a sudden, i listened to Miller with a different set of ears, and had to ask myself why is he doing this in this talk. Oh, But of Course! He needed to prove to the audience, that he's not a 'grassy knoll' theorist in order to give more credibility to his research proving/showing how the election of 2004 was stolen. Miller is probably being painted as a conspiracy nut, by the Washington media establishment and that's why they won't cover the story, won't do the book interview line ups.

ok.. I get it. but i was thinking it was really desperate of him to have gone a bit out of his way to try and trash Oliver Stone/Jim Garrison on the JFK assassination theory - why even bring it up?

He mentioned that Bobby Kennedy was also involved in the cover up of JFK and that really got me intrigued, so i went online and tripped over a couple of other transcripts of Miller interviews, and in each one he brings up the JFK assassination. I've been buried in reference material all afternoon related to that story.

But I come out of this thinking that Miller might be a disinformation artist... i'm not saying he is... i'm just asking myself the question and trying to sort out what his motives would be.

Because the Lone Gunman thing is pure bullshit and anyone claiming that Oswald managed to assassinate Kennedy with that piece of shit rifle, and on that angle is really full of it. I've seen too much evidence showing otherwise. They really ought to have come up with a better story to cover their tracks than that one.

[glitch]

37. I don't think he said lone gun man. He said read the Waldron Hartmann book

and they say it was a mafia-cia conspiracy, I believe (I haven't read it).

[radio4progressives]

42. I think Miller said google "AMWORLD" so i did.. ..

The "Plan for a Coup in Cuba" was fully authorized by JFK and personally run by Robert Kennedy. Only about a dozen people in the US government knew the full scope of the plan, all of whom worked for either the military, the CIA, or reported directly to Robert. The Kennedys' plan was prepared primarily by the US military, with the CIA playing a major supporting role. Input was also obtained from key officials in a few other agencies, but most of those who worked on the plan knew only about carefully compartmentalized aspects, believing it to be a theoretical exercise in case a Cuban official volunteered to depose Fidel.

Unique and different from any previously disclosed operation, the Kennedys' "Plan for a Coup in Cuba" is revealed in this book for the first time. The CIA's code name for their part of the coup plan has never surfaced in any book, article, or government investigation. Officially declassified in 1999, "AMWORLD" is the cryptonym the CIA used for the plan in its classified internal documents. Since the overall coup plan was under the personal control of Attorney General Kennedy, who did not use a code-name for it, we call it "C-Day" in this book, a name entirely of our own invention. Its evocation of D-Day is intentional, since the Kennedys' plan included the possibility of a US military invasion.

~snip~

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Assassinations_page/Ultimate_Sacrifice_Intro.html


and that lead me to searching under Lamar Waldron, which brought up a bunch of a very familiar names that are associated with the Iran Contra (i didn't know then, that these charachters were associated with the Kennedy Assassination)

Rafael "Chi Chi" Quintero flies right off the page, followed with the rest of the gang... http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKwaldronL.htm

previously referred to interviews has Mark Crispen Miller singing the praises of Russo and his "stellar research and work" debunking Oliver Stone, Jim Garrison et al, and propping up the Lone Gunman canard..

Russo was a Robert Kennedy campaign staffer, turned JFK Assassination researcher, turned disinfo agent that ended up supporting the "Lone Gun theory" and that's just flat out too strange for words. (to me)

Note: according to a friend of mine who has a long working relationship with Russo, says that Russo is a serious researcher, but I haven't asked my friend why Russo went down this path..

on edit: for better clarity...

[Stevepol]

59. Miller didn't dispute all the conspiracy theories: he believes one.

He thx the mafia was behind the assassination, or some CIA-mafia group of killers. He doesn't believe the Oliver Stone version of conspiracy, but he does believe the mafia was behind it, as well as the Sirhan Sirhan shooting of Bobby Kennedy I might add.

[me b zola]

34. Voinavich? Noe?

It could be someone like them that needs to cooperate to keep their arses out of federal prison. There are lots others involved in coingate that were plugged into the thievery of the '04 election.

[Jane Austin]

40. He said it would be a well-known public figure, not a hot-shot politician

Although it could be a politician.

My money is on a respected journalist, someone who is part of the establishment, to be published in Newsweek, Time, US News, NY Times Magazine or the New Yorker. Someone like Jonathan Alter or Anna Quinlan.

Or perhaps it will be a retired politician who has come to be viewed as a statesman.

That could include Jimmy Carter or even Bill Clinton. It might even be Bill Richardson, as I believe there was monkey business in New Mexico, too.

I hope it's someone with an impeccable record, and I wish it would be an establishment type like David Broder, but I think that's unlikely.

[DemGirl7]

46. Could it be John Edwards???

In Miller's book, he did say that Edwards didn't want to give up the election, and wanted to push forward, but Kerry talked him out of it, because he didn't want them to go through negative media coverage like what happened to Gore & Liebermanm in 2000.

[Bleacher Creature]

47. Carrot Top?? n/t

[JanMichael]

48. Frodo? Spy v. Spy? Big Foot? Bruce Lee? Sara Lee?

Waldo?

[in_cog_ni_to]

49. Squawk? Is that "squawk" as in tell us the election WAS stolen or

"squawk" as in just talk about it and say he "thinks" it was stolen?

Up thread someone said that the person read Miller's book and was convinced.

John Kerry? Remember when Kerry told Miller he knew there was foul play during the 2000 election? When Miller told of what Kerry said, Kerry denied it. Could it be John Kerry?:shrug:

[BradBlog]

51. Yes ... I have an idea :-)

[renate]

52. no fair!

Okay, if you won't/can't tell us who, how about a hint about when?

[Darkhawk32]

63. Brad, that's just downright mean. Don't make me come over there!

[Marr]

55. I'll believe it when I see it.

Still- I'm tagging this for later. :)

[Rosco T.]

56. When?

that's the important question.

[TheUnspeakable]

57. I know Bobby Kennedy, jr. is working on one...

for Rolling Stone. and Miller has been on his radio show-also Harvey Wasserman (The Free Press)
has been on the show and is an old friend of Bobby's. I missed the CSPAN show with Miller, but I think that could be what he was talking about

[Atman]

61. That CSPAN program was awesome. Simply awesome.

It's too bad it was on BookTV. Who the hell watches BookTV? It should have been on all three networks during prime time.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

64. Dreaming: Colin Powell...

[rucky]

67. please be a whistleblower...please be a whistleblower...etc. nt

[Peter Frank]

69. For Accuracy's Sake - its "Mark Crispin Miller"...

...and he's brilliant. But the work is up to us.