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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:50 AM
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David Kelly and Judith Miller, the kiss of death.
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 09:54 AM by formercia

Was David Kelly's death a result of his association with Judith Miller?
If Kelly did not know of Judith Miller's relationship with Scooter Libby and he began to voice his concerns about being lied to on the Iraq WMD issue, then he had a big problem if Miller passed on his concerns to Libby. Kelly was found dead a few days after his email to Miller. After Kelly's death, Miller wrote his obituary in the NYT.


http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/00000006DF05.htm

Kelly's connections
If David Kelly was the peace-lover described by some in the anti-war movement, what was he doing hanging around with the New York Times' Judith Miller?
by Brendan O'Neill

Since his suicide in July 2003, Ministry of Defence scientist David Kelly has been adopted by some in the media and anti-war lobby as a 'good man' who was keen to 'raise questions about the nature of the war in Iraq' (1).

Left-wing writer John Pilger claims the 'heroic' Kelly was 'the antithesis of those , who have shown themselves to be the agents of a dangerous, rampant foreign power' (2). If this is true, why does Kelly appear to have been a close acquaintance of Judith Miller of the New York Times - the most vitriolic pro-war journalist, whose shrill articles about Saddam and his WMD have recently become the subject of ridicule?

Shortly after Kelly's death, it emerged that his final email was to Miller. This is the one in which he referred to 'many dark actors playing games', words that Miller first quoted in an article for the NYT and which quickly spread around the world. The submission of Kelly's emails as evidence to the Hutton Inquiry this week reveals the rest of his message to Miller, in which he refers to her as 'Judy' and says 'Thanks for your support. I appreciate your friendship at this time' (3).
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 09:54 AM
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1. Would fascists kill a witness before an election to maintain power?
Miller did worry in jail that some government figure she feared was too powerful to cross. Funny, how the media didn't follow up on that revelation and some pretended she was referring to Fitzgerald.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:01 AM
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2. there's been a lot of tinfoil on this one
Miller and Kelly have been described as many things - double agents, Russian spies you name it? One day we will hear the truth?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:03 AM
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4. or maybe just good old disinformation
to muddy the waters.Let the facts speak for themselves.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:02 AM
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3. Here are two posts by Peace Patriot that tie into this..

There were several reports in the Islamic press in March 2003 of foiled US attempts to plant WMDs in Iraq, one in Basra involving a covert WMD shipment that had false Red Cross labels on it, and another at an unidentified location that met with "friendly fire." There may have been other efforts later on. If true, these are the ones that got noticed.

The WMD-planting theory of Treasongate is that there is a connection between these highly deceitful and dangerous, off-the-record Rumsfeld projects, and the outing of Valerie Plame and the entire CIA Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network--which disabled all the above-board WMD-monitoring projects and put all of its covert agents/contacts at great risk of getting killed. The theory also posits a possible connection to the death of the Brits chief WMD expert David Kelly, in the same week. Here's the time-line:

Late May 2003: Kelly starts whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about exaggerated pre-war WMD intel.

Mid-June 2003: Judith Miller meets with Scooter Libby (about Plame).

Late June 2003: Kelly is mysteriously outed to his bosses, interrogated at a safe house, and threatened with the Official Secrets Act in an effort to find out what ELSE he knows.

July 7, 2003*: Tony Blair is informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--not had said, COULD say. (Hutton report.)

July 14, 2003: Plame outed (by Novak).

July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched.

July 22, 2003: CIA/Brewster-Jennings entire counter-proliferation group outed (also by Novak).


Read more here….

These may be the teams whose plans to plant WMDs in Iraq were foiled



and then he had this as a follow up here:


of Treasongate. The Raw Story article gets into it, at the end:


"The source said intelligence officers understood quickly what they were being asked to do and that the assumption was they were being asked to provide WMD in order for coalition forces to find them.

“'But the guys were thinking this is absurd because anything put down would not pass the smell test and could be shown to be not of Iraqi origin and not using Iraqi methodology,' the source added.

"Former and current US intelligence officers explain that such forensics is essential and would have in fact proved if a weapons stash found was using Iraqi methodology.

“'A good example of how forensics is used can be found in the recent development around enriched uranium isotopes found on centrifuges in Iran,' one said. “'ran claimed to have purchased the centrifuges from Pakistan, but certain people pushing for war with Iraq were claiming that this was evidence of Iraqis reconstituting their nuclear weapons program. The forensics showed that the Iranians were telling the truth and that they in fact had purchased the items from Pakistan, a US ally.”

------------------------

It's true that nuke materials have signatures, as do nuke weapons programs, but consider this:

1. Would un-bribable, un-threatenable, truly independent experts ever have been let near that evidence? (Keep in mind that the Bushites forced the UN weapons inspectors out of the country.)

2. Is it not possible that Manucher Ghorbanifar (life-long dealer in illicit weapons in the Middle East), perhaps in cahoots with Chalabi (a double-agent with Iran) could have procured nukes or other WMDs that could pass the "smell test"?

3. Since when did having bad evidence ever stop the Bushites from claiming things--and getting away with the most outrageous lies? They constantly work the newsstream to make the false seem true and the true seem false. That's their M.O. They fuzz up and smear over matters of evidence and truth. And the US war profiteering corporate news monopolies give them every chance to do so. The lapdog press has gotten a little more nippy these days; keep in mind how they were THEN. The Bush Cartel could get away with ANYTHING (and still pretty much does).

I'm no expert on this. In my ignorance, it sounds like a pretty good objection to the WMD-planting theory, for a rational scientific mind. Not BushWorld.

----------------------

Re: Judith Miller. She was leading the US troops around in Iraq, pointing them here and there, and threatening them with her Pentagon connections when they wouldn't do things her way. She became a real annoyance to the commanders in the field. And if you presume that she was in on the WMD-planting scheme, and knew where (or approx where) the phony stuff was going to be, it all starts to make sense.


Read more here….

Here's a good objection that has come up, re: the WMD-planting theory



BTW PP called this months ago

Enjoy!!!
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:05 AM
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6. and did Miller bring up Kelly to Libby?
She probably thought to hersef that it might happen to her too.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:04 AM
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5. Much more about this explored in THIS THREAD:
work through the replies, there are multiple posts on it, including the text of the last email to Miller:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x60048
thread title (1/5/06 GD): PLAME/AIPACGATE UPDATE: OSP tried to plant WMD in Iraq.

This is a thread that is not to be missed. It's currently on the Greatest Page with 55 votes.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:06 AM
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7. If I missed it someone else might have as well
a little extra coverage won't hurt.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:17 AM
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12. I agree, especially since the title of the other thread doesn't mention
this aspect.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:08 AM
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8. Posts #39 & 42 by Peace Patriot from that thread are very enlightening -
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 10:09 AM by stop the bleeding
BTW he called this months ago. Enjoy!


There were several reports in the Islamic press in March 2003 of foiled US attempts to plant WMDs in Iraq, one in Basra involving a covert WMD shipment that had false Red Cross labels on it, and another at an unidentified location that met with "friendly fire." There may have been other efforts later on. If true, these are the ones that got noticed.

The WMD-planting theory of Treasongate is that there is a connection between these highly deceitful and dangerous, off-the-record Rumsfeld projects, and the outing of Valerie Plame and the entire CIA Brewster-Jennings counter-proliferation network--which disabled all the above-board WMD-monitoring projects and put all of its covert agents/contacts at great risk of getting killed. The theory also posits a possible connection to the death of the Brits chief WMD expert David Kelly, in the same week. Here's the time-line:

Late May 2003: Kelly starts whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC about exaggerated pre-war WMD intel.

Mid-June 2003: Judith Miller meets with Scooter Libby (about Plame).

Late June 2003: Kelly is mysteriously outed to his bosses, interrogated at a safe house, and threatened with the Official Secrets Act in an effort to find out what ELSE he knows.

July 7, 2003*: Tony Blair is informed that Kelly "could say some uncomfortable things"--not had said, COULD say. (Hutton report.)

July 14, 2003: Plame outed (by Novak).

July 18, 2003: Kelly found dead, under highly suspicious circumstances; his office and computers searched.

July 22, 2003: CIA/Brewster-Jennings entire counter-proliferation group outed (also by Novak).


Read more here….

These may be the teams whose plans to plant WMDs in Iraq were foiled



and then he had this as a follow up here:


of Treasongate. The Raw Story article gets into it, at the end:


"The source said intelligence officers understood quickly what they were being asked to do and that the assumption was they were being asked to provide WMD in order for coalition forces to find them.

“'But the guys were thinking this is absurd because anything put down would not pass the smell test and could be shown to be not of Iraqi origin and not using Iraqi methodology,' the source added.

"Former and current US intelligence officers explain that such forensics is essential and would have in fact proved if a weapons stash found was using Iraqi methodology.

“'A good example of how forensics is used can be found in the recent development around enriched uranium isotopes found on centrifuges in Iran,' one said. “'ran claimed to have purchased the centrifuges from Pakistan, but certain people pushing for war with Iraq were claiming that this was evidence of Iraqis reconstituting their nuclear weapons program. The forensics showed that the Iranians were telling the truth and that they in fact had purchased the items from Pakistan, a US ally.”

------------------------

It's true that nuke materials have signatures, as do nuke weapons programs, but consider this:

1. Would un-bribable, un-threatenable, truly independent experts ever have been let near that evidence? (Keep in mind that the Bushites forced the UN weapons inspectors out of the country.)

2. Is it not possible that Manucher Ghorbanifar (life-long dealer in illicit weapons in the Middle East), perhaps in cahoots with Chalabi (a double-agent with Iran) could have procured nukes or other WMDs that could pass the "smell test"?

3. Since when did having bad evidence ever stop the Bushites from claiming things--and getting away with the most outrageous lies? They constantly work the newsstream to make the false seem true and the true seem false. That's their M.O. They fuzz up and smear over matters of evidence and truth. And the US war profiteering corporate news monopolies give them every chance to do so. The lapdog press has gotten a little more nippy these days; keep in mind how they were THEN. The Bush Cartel could get away with ANYTHING (and still pretty much does).

I'm no expert on this. In my ignorance, it sounds like a pretty good objection to the WMD-planting theory, for a rational scientific mind. Not BushWorld.

----------------------

Re: Judith Miller. She was leading the US troops around in Iraq, pointing them here and there, and threatening them with her Pentagon connections when they wouldn't do things her way. She became a real annoyance to the commanders in the field. And if you presume that she was in on the WMD-planting scheme, and knew where (or approx where) the phony stuff was going to be, it all starts to make sense.


Read more here….

Here's a good objection that has come up, re: the WMD-planting theory



BTW PP called this months ago

Enjoy!!!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:10 AM
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9. IMCPO...Miller is involved in Kelly's murder.
What are the odds of his dying right after voicing a concern about "many dark actors" in an email to HER? Just ANOTHER coincidence? I still wonder if she's CIA.

Have you EVER seen so many "coincidences" in any administration as this one? It makes my head explode just thinking about it all.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:13 AM
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11. I suspect she was keeping Libby informed
and he was telling her how much of it to print.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:36 AM
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13. and Libby was reporting to CHENEY...Mr. "death"
and CHENEY probably sent the wheels turning on Kelly's murder. Cheney DID threaten Paul Wellstone (live and in person) and his family and soon thereafter he ended up dead. Miller to Libby to Cheney to CIA Black Ops to Kelly's murder. That's JMCPO though. ;)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:53 AM
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15. I bet if Kelly knew that Miller was boinking Libby too
he would have been careful about voicing his concerns.
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missouri dem 2 Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 05:18 PM
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29. This is first time I have seen this. Do you have a link?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:27 PM
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30. sleeping with sources
Miller "had built a reputation for sleeping with her sources,"

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001615297
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 12:33 PM
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31. this one is funny.....
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 07:39 PM
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32. The Vanity Fair article on Judith Miller
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:48 AM
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14. Hence is why the need to out Plame - to create a diversion to this.


This - being that Kelly new what was up in Iraq, and of course the actual murder.

This diversion was not for Wilson's article- they could have buried Wilson without outing his wife. Also trying to discredit Wilson like this is an overreaction for the WH because they have destroyed people much easier, and if anything this does not discredit Wilson it adds credibility to Wilson that his wife had the job that she had.

"Bring down that Wall" - no more enemy from the cold War

No more War

USA War machine drives business and parts of the economy.

PNAC

Need and enemy

911

Iraq

must have an excuse to invade Iraq

We know WMD are there we know where they are at.

Even though evey piece of intel said otherwise

Why were they so sure???

Because they were going to plant them there.

Miller + Kelley = David K. is Dead

Rawstory article yesterday that confirms what Peace Patriot said months ago on this, PP even answers a gap in his theory see my posts on this up thread if you are not familiar with PP theory on this very insightful.

ect ect ect...
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:00 AM
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17. I heard they were going to plant them and PLAME caught them?
and that's why they did her in. I'll go read PP's post. Thanks!:hi:
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:06 AM
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18. Well if Kelley and Plame's "Brewster Jennings" were in contact -
which in all likelihood they were - then Plame did find them.

Kelley tells BJ/Plame

or

BJ/Plame tells Kelley

****

Kelley telling BJ/Plame makes more since as to how he fits into this and the mysterious suicide.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:52 PM
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23. Sounds right to me. n/t
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 12:50 PM
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22. Is IMCPO: "In My Completely Parnaoid Opinion"? If so, I like it!
:hi:

Totally with that!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:12 AM
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10. Nominated!
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 10:54 AM
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16. "Cheney DID threaten Paul Wellstone (live and in person) ..."
"DID threaten Paul Wellstone (live and in person) and his family and soon thereafter he ended up dead."

Wow!

links, pls.

thanks

85% Jimmy
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:08 AM
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19. Sorry. No link on that one. A DUer called the Mike Malloy show
and told the story. I'll tell it the best I can recall...close, but not exact. :)

The DUer was Amy, I do believe and her family was CLOSE friends of the Wellstone family. Wellstone was invited to Amy's home for a picnic and he told Amy's father that he was at a rally in Minnesota and Cheney was there also. Cheney walked up to Paul Wellstone, put his arm around him and said, "If I were you I'd watch my step. I know where your wife works and your children go to school. Watch what you do." SOMETHING like that....in the same vein. It was not long after that threat Wellstone was murdered.
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Astrad Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:37 AM
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20. Cheney threatens Wellstone
"Wellstone reported that before the Senate vote on Iraq, Dick Cheney had warned him that bucking the administration could result in "severe consequences" for both him and the state of Minnesota. Neither was the vice president happy about the legislation Wellstone had introduced to improve protection against asbestos poisoning. Cheney had left Halliburton in a position to be sued by its insurer for asbestos claims staggering in their potential for remuneration. Only his assumption of the vice presidency granted him immunity from deposition."

From a website called The-Edge: Environmental news on the brink. Have no idea if it's credible.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:41 PM
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28. I bet Cheney would have lost a bundle
when Halliburton stock tanked. Sounds like a motive to me.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 11:51 AM
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21. Brennan O'Neill got some things wrong, but note the date of his article,
September 5, 2003. He was floundering around in the immediate aftermath of Kelly's death, the Plame outing and the failure to find WMDs in Iraq. One of the things he is wrong about is who first published Kelly's "dark actors" email. It was not Judith Miller. In fact, she suppressed it until after his FAMILY had released his emails. In her obit news article on Kelly in the NYT, a few days after he died, she fails to mention this newsworthy email or any of her close connections to Kelly.

O'Neill: http://www.spiked-online.com/Printable/00000006DF05.htm

I also think O'Neill gets caught up too much in the superficial politics of the moment--leftists saying Kelly was an antiwar hero, etc. This analysis misses the subtleties of the situation, and of the Kelly story. Kelly was pro-war. He was an old hand at Iraq and wanted Saddam ousted. And he went along with the exaggerations and lies that Bush/Blair were telling, to accomplish that purpose. He tried internally to get their intel docs to be more accurate. He and those he was working with (other scientists) failed at that, but then were silent about it until after the invasion. THEN, remarkably, Kelly started whistleblowing anonymously to the BBC, in late May 2003--a rather inexplicable action that seemed aimed to undermine the war policy that he had supported, and in particular to undermine the politicians, Blair/Bush, who were implementing it.

Why did he change his mind about this? That is the question.

I think a good and plausible answer to this question is that he stumbled upon the Bush junta plot to PLANT the WMDs in Iraq--and that was too much for Kelly. My sense of him is that he really did believe in his work of non-proliferation (as I think was the case also with Plame). And, as a scientist and a man, outright deceit--such as planting the weapons--was intolerable. There are other possibilities, such as that he was simply revolted by the level of Bush "shock and awe" violence--the slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people--and the chaos and greed with which they conducted the war. He had friends in Iraq. He may have been privy to info WE were not getting right away--torture of Iraqis, CACI death squads. However, the startling coincidences in the Plame/Kelly time-lines, the REACTION of the Blairites to Kelly's rather mild statements to the BBC (they were totally freaked out about it), and other facts of those events, point to a much more specific cause of Kelly's whistleblowing, just as the events on this side of the pond point to a hidden trigger for the Plame/BJ outing, something deeper and more threatening than Wilson's dissent about the Niger allegations and publication of his article.

The Blairites and the Bushites were not just worried about dissent--is the upshot. Their behavior indicates more than a generalized fear of exposure of their lies, in a public policy debate in which they had all the advantage, with a fearful or lapdog corporate press. They were easily permitted to switch lies--from WMDs to 9/11 and democracy. What could have caused them to take the extraordinarily risky action of outing the entire CIA counter-proliferation project (Brewster-Jennings), and then either killing David Kelly or driving him to suicide?*

I just don't think that the publication of Wilson's article (which was likely expected) or the rather mild whistleblowing of Kelly to the BBC (which was likely unexpected) could have been the cause of all this? There is something more here. And a plot to plant WMDs in Iraq--that got foiled, and that was threatening to come to light--explains Bush/Blair's behavior, and everyone's behavior and fate during these events, much better than any other scenario.

David Kelly may not be an antiwar hero. But I think he is a democracy hero. He wanted people to know that something was not right. In my read on him--presuming the WMD-planting theory to be true--he did not feel free (or safe enough) to disclose this dreadfully deceitful plan. He had his job and his family (and his life!) to think of. He said at one point that he had promised his bosses he was not going to reveal "any state secrets." But SOMETHING was bothering him about those "state secrets"--something that had NOT been bothering him all that much before the invasion. And I think it's a good bet that it was something very specific--such as this posited plot to plant the weapons. It's also possible that he had something to do with foiling that plot, in which case he would be even more of a hero. (Can you imagine what the political landscape would look like now, if they had succeeded in deceiving the world about planted WMDs? We would have no chance at all of restoring democracy and accountability in our two countries.)

But Brendon O'Neill really takes a wrong turn in focusing on the politics of this matter. It is not merely a matter of left or right politics. It is much deeper than that. It is a matter of "what is the truth?"--both about Kelly's death (which was clearly whitewashed as a suicide*), and about the Plame outing. And it is ultimately a matter of the truth about the war, and the extent to which our governments deceived us about it, and why.

On Kelly's collaboration with Judith Miller. I suspect it was a case of her cultivating the contact--a top British WMD scientist--for her own purposes (and the purposes of the gov'ts she may have been spying for). Also, my feeling about Kelly is that he had genuine concerns about the spread of WMDs, and may have felt, like doctors do sometimes, that a little exaggeration doesn't hurt. It's possible that he was in deeper than that--and I've wondered if he could have been a UK/US spy on the UN weapons team that he was, at one time, a part of. But his embeddedness in the weapons or spy establishments would have been all the more reason for the Blairites (and the Bushites) to flip out at his whistleblowing. And it would make his whistleblowing all the more surprising, and all the more likely to have been inspired by something MORE than the gov't's pre-war "exaggerations" of the Iraq threat.

One thing more: I suspect that Miller--in her obit of Kelly--put words in his mouth (in the mouth of a dead man) in paragraphs 15-16. She has him saying--not in quotes--that the US troops were not looking hard enough for the WMDs in Iraq. This doesn't seem like the opinion of a man who had just been whistleblowing about the exaggerated threat. But it does serve Miller's interests.

And I wonder who she's speaking of, when she talks about Kelly's "fan club." (Donald Rumsfeld?)

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*(I think there may be a chance--a small one--that it WAS suicide, and that he was driven to it by either disillusionment with his gov't, or by threats against him or his family. But the Hutton report is clearly a whitewash of the facts. It ignored all sorts of evidence that this was not a suicide. No proper inquiry has ever been done. My feeling: 99% he was assassinated.)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:19 PM
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24. Here's the kicker
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 01:31 PM by formercia
"It was not Judith Miller. In fact, she suppressed it until after his FAMILY had released his emails. In her obit news article on Kelly in the NYT, a few days after he died, she fails to mention this newsworthy email or any of her close connections to Kelly."

Yeah, if Kelly's family hadn't released the emails, we wouldn't be talking about this. This gets more interesting by the minute.

If someone I was close to died under suspicious circumstances, I would have raised an unholy stink. So why was Miller so subdued? Was she afraid of the same thing happening to her, or is there something sinister going on here?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:37 PM
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25. Of course he was whacked, even your previous posts on this a few months
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 01:38 PM by stop the bleeding
ago showed this - on top of the medical injury findings - you had mentioned that Kelly was looking forward to a lot of different things - not a signal of someone who is thinking of suicide. Huh - am I remembering this correctly?

I have not been able to search for your postings from a few months ago on this due to high traffic here on DU, but I will get them/it when traffic lets up.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 01:47 PM
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26. My question is Miller's involvement
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 01:49 PM by formercia
Was it totally passive and just coincidental that her source gets whacked, or did something she do, either unintentionaly or otherwise lead to his demise. The implications are not pleasant.

Sometimes what people don't say is just as important as what they say.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-06-06 02:17 PM
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27. Kelly confided in Miller after finding out about the fake weapons plot
Edited on Fri Jan-06-06 02:18 PM by stop the bleeding
either from his own intel or intel gathered by BJ/Plame, why or how Kelly let Miller onto this is a mystery other than the fact that they had worked on the book together and he thought she was a "good reporter" for the WMD stories, and he thought that she would break the story in NYT. Meanwhile all of the time Miller is working on behalf of WHIG or OSP and was in on the planting of WMD's in Iraq.

So then she tells Libby or Cheney it doesn't really matter, that is how Darth Cheney finds out about the whole BJ/Plame/Kelly connections. They realize the plot is up(on the WMD plantings) so they kill one source(Kelly) and out Plame to discredit the whole BJ operation effectively covering their trail.

Kelly's mistake was believing that Miller would break this story wide open for the World to see - after all what better paper than NYT to make a splash like that, but of course that did not happen because of Miller's closed involvement with the WHIG/OSP. After all she did all of the premier reporting on this subject so it makes since to contact her about this. I just wish Kelly had contacted someone else like a Greg Palast.

The whole outing of Plame because of her Husband's OP is a complete red herring on this.

I can keep going further and further with this, but I feel this gives a quick basic run down of Miller's involvement.

Once traffic calms down here at DU I am going to get those archived threads that PP posted a few months back and once you have the whole thread with the original message with the follow up responses it is all clear as day.
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