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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:29 PM
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US intelligence listened to Princess Diana's calls before crash
LONDON (AFP) - US intelligence listened to Princess Diana's telephone calls without British approval on the night she died in a Paris car accident, The Observer has said, citing findings of a long-awaited report.

The surveillance arm of the US government admitted to Lord John Stevens, who led an independent probe that confirms the crash was an accident, that it had listened to her conversations while she stayed at the Ritz Hotel, it said.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061210/wl_afp/britainroyalsdianaus_061210030243
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:29 PM
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1. And we should care about this, why?
Redstone
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:31 PM
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2. You don't find it curious? I think it's strange.
Why would the U.S. be bugging Princess Diana's calls? It's just weird.

Oh, and you're rude. :)
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:59 AM
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20. Because she was dating a rich Arab?
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 10:00 AM by Clark2008
:shrug:

P.S. I'm not saying that's a reason or an excuse, but given the fact that our government has wanted to find a boogyman since the end of the Cold War, it's a possibility.

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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:32 PM
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3. I find it a bit unsettling that we were listening in on her calls
don't you? I mean ... she was involved in the land mine issue. Just what was the interest we had in her comings and goings if not for that effort?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:38 PM
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7. The fact that she was in love with a Muslim?
It's rumoured that she planned to marry him, and it has even been suggested that she was carrying his child. The last notion is almost certainly untrue; whether she planned to marry Dodi I suppose we will never know.

As good as any other suggestion I feel.

Frankly it's getting hard to find someone who ISN'T bugging the Royals - the Royal editor of the News of the World is about to go to prison for bugging the Princes, and there seems to be another wiretap/security breach scandal every week.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:32 PM
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4. Because once again, peoples genitals were more important than
Bin Laden!!!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:33 PM
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6. Maybe not the genital angle this time
Maybe the land mine issue?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:23 PM
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11. Glad you're OK with it. nt
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:43 AM
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15. Perhaps we should care about this because....
every time we hear another one of these stories about who they were listening in on...it proves once again, that there was absolutely NO excuse for 9/11 to have ever happened...
windbreeze
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:58 AM
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19. It's probably only interesting to me in that it seems to validate the
notion that every call you make on anything is probably recorded by some intelligence agency.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:35 PM
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23.  Becuse it violated someone's civil rights
Edited on Sun Dec-10-06 12:36 PM by sheeptramp
...and leads me to wonder : Who's privacy WOULD'NT they invade?
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:33 PM
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5. Violating laws at home AND abroad. n/t
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:43 PM
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8. That is just bizarre. Had to be the Fayed thing.
US Intel would be highly interested in Fayed, Senior's financial dealings.

You can bet your ass that we were tapping the whole bunch of them.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 10:50 PM
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9. Biggest question is why were we listenig......
What is up with that?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:20 AM
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13. Would love to know! nt
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:35 AM
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16. See post no 10....
says we help other countries spy on its own citizens,
a way around privacy laws.

How nice.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:57 PM
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24. "No explanation for the alleged eavesdropping was given."
I too would like to know why.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 07:47 PM
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26. Yes raises quite a few questions doesn't it?
I wonder if she knew the Americans were spying on her?
She was aware the Brits were....
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:21 PM
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10. The structure behind Echelon is that the U.S. spies for the British
Edited on Sat Dec-09-06 11:23 PM by higher class
and the British spy for the U.S. and the circle expands to five or six when Canada, Australia, and New Zealand (and/or Israel) are included in the circle of cross spying. The reason is to avoid getting around the laws of each country.

This says that the people behind these governments have no regard for your privacy which is your soul.

Make a list of ten reasons the British would be listening to her in her hotel room with her boyfriend/finance.

And yes, it was the British, using the U.S. to (repeat) get around Britis law.

They say the Echelon countries can read your newspaper over your shoulder via their little Echelon satellites. Why not do something as simple as bugging a room or clicking in their cell phones? Why?

Were they just measuring time? How would you write the plot? With each month that goes by we know more about what they are capable of. Where did they stop?

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majorjohn Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 11:27 PM
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12. Makes sense, Thanks! n/t
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 02:35 AM
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14. Isn't that referred to as a "Circle Jerk"?
:shrug:

I think its creepy to think that the US was listening in to her calls...makes me think its all been happening for a very long time unbeknownst to us all....
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 06:37 AM
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17. I am beginning to think that much of this crap has been happening
forever, we are just finding out about it...

Maybe that was why poppy was sobbing the other day.
The cover has been blown big time on all the covert crap.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 09:42 AM
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18. Interesting.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 12:25 PM
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22. An implication is that at the highest level, intel agencies work together.
In effect there's one large global intel agency.

Only recently there was the case of a US agency blowing up a madrasah in Pakistan, where initially the Pakistany intel agency ISI took responsibility, later to reveal it was done by the US.

Sunday Times
US carried out madrasah bombing
November 26, 2006
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2471863,00.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 10:03 AM
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21. What a coincidence.
In the world of spies, it's near-impossible to tell who's working for whom.

Why "our" guys wanted to know what Diana was up to may be tied to a favor for the British royals or the Saudi Roils or just to bank some blackmail B-roll -- or for something completely different.
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bobbie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 04:23 PM
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25. Holy fuckin' crap, she was murdered. This clinches it.
I guess our NSA and British "intelligence" worked together on this one. International cooperation. Ain't it grand?
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 08:21 PM
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27. Folks, I asked that question because Echelon was listenng to EVERYONE's call.
And still is. It was NOT a commentary on her, nor on her relationships with anyone else.

Understand?

Redstone
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