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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:17 PM Original message |
Jonathan Alter just said on Olbermann that Kerry is "through" |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
1. yeah Cat, it is a shame but it's true I fear n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. It's a pile of shit and Alter is a lousy reporter. A McCain bootlicker who spreads lies |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. If Jonathan Alter Is A MSM Stooge Why Did He Write A Book Lionizing FDR? |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. He lionizes McCain in current time. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Show me where he "lionized" McCain, please. NT |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. I Try To Avoid These Debates But Jonathan Alter In Not The Enemy. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I agree. I like Alter very much. NT |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:39 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Whenever any reporter criticizes a Dem, count on someone on DU to call them a BFEE whore |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 08:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
80. He was doing it in 1999 and again recently - do you believe MediaMatters? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Then why do his columns talk about the "old McCain" vs. the "new McCain" |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #82 |
87. He is still a fan - and MediaMatters and Howler have nailed him a few times. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 07:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
78. Kerry has done enough to tarnish his own image... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 08:26 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Dropping pronouns in a jokeline is grounds for image tarnishing? Feign-Feign. |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. They're still piling on Kerry because it's like beating up the kid in the |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
89. If that were actually true, he'd be ignored completely instead of the piling on they do. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. That's the least of it.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. The DNC did a GREAT job of matching the RNC tactics, didn't they? |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:33 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Then he should have put out a commercial... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 09:24 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Do you think that media would've aired the challenge if roles were reversed? |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Yea, that's my point.... |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. It's a pile of shit and Alter is a lousy reporter. A McCain bootlicker who spreads lies |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:39 PM Original message |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
77. So the media launchs a full-on assault |
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terip64 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm not counting him out just yet. A lot can happen and he wants in. n/t |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
3. Kerry was 30 points behind in Iowa and won the primary. Joe Trippi says don't count him out. |
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Gato Moteado (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
4. if he could only remember the punchlines to his jokes..... |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. OMG... harsh |
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MS Liberal (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
5. No Way |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
6. He's done. He gave it a good run, but not quite good enough. |
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BlueStater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I don't think he would have apologized... |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
7. Anyone who still thinks Kerry stands a chance |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. My feet are planted firmly on the ground, and I still support him and I think he has a chance. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. It's actually quite delusional to think ANYONE has a chance |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
8. Now if only Kerry would figure that out. Maybe he needs to drive his motorcycle |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Maybe Kerry needs to out the DEMOCRATS who cover up for BushInc. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Given his vote in support of Bush's war he's in not much of a place to do that. |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Given he's the only potential '08 candidate who has a PLAN |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. He's not a real potential candidate. He's toast asking to be reheated. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Actually he is, even though the pollsters are projecting other winners: |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
91. He's not the only one, actually. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Given he knows more about IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning and that Clinton |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Even if he were the best guy on the planet, he is a lousy candidate. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
65. He was a fine candidate with a weakass DNC running targetted state strategy. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 11:15 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Baloney. If the best he could do against BUSH was what he did, he's a waste |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Yeah - no difference between Dean's DNC and McAuliffe's DNC - none at all. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 08:37 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. No, he wasn't. We will not give Kerry another go-round. Gore, maybe. |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
11. Kerry needs to run on his true strengths. I wouldn't count him out. |
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Nite Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
12. I think so too and I really |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
15. Yeah. |
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napingo (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. I think his thinking is very, very flawed. With the money he has, there is NO |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Spoken like someone who never read the IranContra, BCCI or CIA drugrunning reports |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
17. Gingrich said it too! |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. Why isn't Gengrich through? |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
94. Gingrich IS through. He just doesn't want to admit it. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
56. Hard to miss the aroma. |
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Island Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
20. I know I always rely on television pundits to pick my candidates for me. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
25. He's a good public servant, but can't give people good reasons to vote FOR him. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:52 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I disagree |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
98. You can disagree all you want, but Kerry's the one who lost the 2004 election. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
27. The media also said that Bush would go down as a great president. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
32. I like Kerry (he's my Senator) but I think he's right. |
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PaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
33. In a society where a leader is elected to lead and not to......... |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. In a society where a leader is elected to lead and |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:05 PM Response to Original message |
34. Then you will be happy to know that Alter is actually wrong. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
36. Who's that, may I ask? |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
38. yay! bring out the kerry haters!! |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I'm not a Kerry hater yet! |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. one thing we need to clear up |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. No, I didn't think you did. I'm just doing a Monty Python skit, myself |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. lol |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. oh, i know you're not a kerry hater |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. !! |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. about that message...??. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
40. They do fear Kerry, don't they |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Fascinating, isn't it? |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
41. Alter's got quite a crystal ball. |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Is that the guy from Alternet? |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Website here: |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Think he's a Newsweek contributer. |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:22 PM Response to Original message |
43. Welcome to 2004. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. This is news? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
51. Yeah, I always need the media to tell me who to vote for. |
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partylessinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
52. Well, shades of that feminine Ed Rogers that was on earlier! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
55. I respectfully disagree. |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:36 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. sir, yes sir!!! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Wow!!! |
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CatWoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. *snarf* |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
85. Thank you |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #55 |
101. very well said |
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David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
63. John Kerry is not "through". |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
64. Alter is a moran.... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:46 PM Response to Original message |
66. I think it's probably true, and for the best |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
67. Stop trashing Alter. He's right. |
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wisteria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Alter never says a good thing about Kerry. He writes for Newsweek -nuff said. n/t |
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fedupinBushcountry (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
72. Yep, that's the ticket |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
76. "they'll" say it enough until it becomes true..... |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
84. Which is fine. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
86. Frist dropped out, maybe because he was 18th in the "likability" poll. Kerry (20) |
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AbbyR (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
88. I'm not a Kerry fan or a Kerry basher |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
93. Let's let democratic primary decide and not Jonathan Alter. |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
95. kerry |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
96. I am old enough... |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
97. Too early to call |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
100. It's a shame that when the Republicans' media slanders good people |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
102. Oooooh, biiiiig man. One of those people whose face I want to see in |
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raysr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
105. I saw some poll on TV |
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