Leopold writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

[symbolman]

policemen turn in their badges.. birds fly backwards, water flows uphill..

So now he's back, just like Ike and Tina Turner.. "I won't beat you anymore Kevin Nealon.." used to be one of my favorite skits..

I feel abused by this guy, seriously, does anyone else?

Where's the Target Letter? Where's the Indictment? TWICE he said that, TWICE mind you..

I agree with another poster, I believe that Leopold's stories should be posted in the Lounge..

As I recall Skinner said that Leopold had blown it, "Publicly AND Spectacularly"..

I love that, Skinner's cool :)

[benburch]

1. Have you some reason to think the present story is incorrect? nt

[SteppingRazor]

3. Experience matters. Would you believe anything written by...

Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, or Judith Miller?

[benburch]

11. So the answer is no? nt

[SteppingRazor]

13. The answer, for me, is that I haven't read the article...

but figured I'd chime in with my unwarranted opinion.

That said, all a journalist has is his credibility. Once that's lost, it's almost impossible to get back.

[benburch]

54. I take people on a case-by-case basis.

Perhaps because I married a social worker it has rubbed off on me? But people are not always good nor always bad. You have to live with an assumption of good faith.

[Left Coast Lynn]

18. Yes. Jason wrote it. n/t

-

[SteppingRazor]

2. Link, I dare say? n/t

[patcox2]

4. Its not even a story. Its old news, hyped up as if it were exclusive.

He is deliberately presenting old, previously reported information as if its "scoop," exclusive to TO. Thats just more lying. TO and RS do it all the time and thats the reason I think they have no credibility whatsoever. Self-aggrandizing rabble rousing for the gullible is what it is, but for people seriously interested in acccurate information, they're worthless.

[symbolman]

9. Think about it

the only way for him to rehabilitate himself is to "write" stories that are factual and been checked out.. this one has been checked out MONTHS ago, by everyone from the National Review to Common Dreams, hell, Capitol Blue probably wrote this one too..

Safe, sanitized for Leopold's convenience.

[bluestateguy]

5. I was the one who said Leopold's stories should be posted in the Lounge

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1576928&mesg_id=1577015

Or perhaps they could be put in a DU Group for Fairy Tales.

[Freddie Stubbs]

6. It seems that Truthout is in danger of becoming another

Capitol Hill Blue, publishing wishful thinking as fact.

[Balbus]

52. In danger of? No, It already is.

[texasleo]

7. Put him in with the horoscopes. Miss Cleo, meet Jason

Jason, meet Miss Cleo.

[symbolman]

33. Psychic Reporter Friends

Network! Now THERE's a Job for this guy..:)

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Recommended!

Apparently you want some attention? :-)

[symbolman]

12. Sure..

can you rub my feet? :)

I'm just incensed that to add insult to injury this "scoop" is MONTHS OLD.. it's a Total INSULT, and like I said, it's been VETTED already..

It's not plagiarism if you change the words around :)

[Catherine Vincent]

23. I gave you a recommendation.

That's all I'll do.

[kpete]

10. My curiosity about this continuous debate is

the headline could be changed 1000 times:

CNN writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

NYT writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

NBC writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

Miller writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

Klein writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

Bozo writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

Sullivan writes story - thousands rejoice, grown men cry

and on and on and on

[symbolman]

14. Oh but that's the beauty of it

like Leopold it's telling people what they want to hear, or at least peaking interest, isn't that what it's all about?

Or wishful thinking, that seems to work well these days..

Reminds me of the line in Napolean Dynamite.. "If you vote for me, all your wildest dreams will come true.."

[kpete]

16. but why pick on one writer

why not pick on ALL reporters who get it wrong?

just wondering...

I myself - like to read it all, digest it and spit out the crap

These days, crap is everywhere...

There is WAY more than 1 target...

Peace!

[Name removed]

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[kpete]

28. Young pup?

Thanks, never been called that...

I have run into a few of those "sites" you are talking about

Again, I like to eat them all - even the ones that make me spit up...

Give me a link to your "shitcan"

Sounds like I should pay a visit.

And, symbolman, you HAVE my respect!

[symbolman]

36. Ahh, it's like an old stinky bar now

been making films instead of keeping up the site, a museum for what was a happening place, and if I give you a link I'll get accused of promoting myself..

Okay, http://www.takebackthemedia.com

But there's nothing there..

Instead I've been working with some movie and rock/country stars on a film/flash/site for the environment, so I've been lax in the Media dept.. but I still hold it the most precious thing in the world, the Fairness Doctrine is right up there with the Constitution..

thanks for the respect, I don't rag all the time, but then again I didn't try to kick everyone's ass in a bar when I was younger either, as a young pup :)

Just the Big Guys :)

[blogslut]

19. You make me sad

Take Back the Media was one of the very first sites I ever linked to. I love your work. But this extraordinary hate you display for others (Truthout, Raw Story) breaks my heart.

[symbolman]

22. So takebackthemedia

should SUPPORT Liars as long as they are "liberals"?

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I support the Truth, even if a right winger says it..

Supposed to be the American Way.

[blogslut]

25. Support?

No one is accusing you of supporting them. You've made it painfully clear that you don't.

[JuniperLea]

44. takebackthemedia is one of the first left-leaning sites I ever read

And it's one of my favorites. I'll look at it differently now that I know how vicious you are to your "rivals".

This explains a lot.

I've not seen this much venom toward any other source.

[symbolman]

51. Thanks so much!

My rivals? Let me let YOU in on a little secret..

I haven't posted (nor has anyone else) to TBTM for A YEAR.. A YEAR.. not since ANDY Died.. the last Flash I made was his memorial..

A YEAR..

I HAVE NO RIVALS..

Rivals.. that's hilarious.,

[stepnw1f]

63. ohhhh Snap!

[applegrove]

46. LOL.

[Vidar]

111. Good point.

[Imajika]

15. Oh, Leopold is a serious journalist alright...

I am positive Rove is still slowly eating up his 24 business hours to get his affairs in order. That 24 business hour reporting was some mighty fine journalism. I think Leopold just didn't realize that Rove would be allowed to divide up the 24 business hours however he saw fit. Any reporter could miss that right? So, it would seem that Rove has deviously incorporated a few minutes of the business hour block into each day passing day. Hell, for all we know, Rove might only be using 1 minute of his business hours each day. That could mean the eventual disclosure of his indictment could take 1440 days - and that is assuming Rove has to use 1 minute of his business hours on weekends and Federal Holidays! When all those minutes are finally used up, you can bet we will all be "returning" to "06 cr 128" when we will discover Leopold was right all along!

So yeah, I take Leopold's journalism very seriously ;)

[LSK]

17. wooohooo circular firing squads!!!!!!!!!

YES YES YES

MORE MORE MORE

[Left Coast Lynn]

20. That dog won't hunt

Just because Jason writes for a liberal publication doesn't mean we should give him a pass. He hurts the cause.

[LSK]

21. it also doesnt mean you beat him up 100000000000000 times

Theres been more critcizism of Leopold than Rove around here for fucks-sake.

[symbolman]

26. Maybe he should smell the coffee

what part of "Publicly and Spectacularly" doesn't he understand..

Personally here in Hawaii I don't go into Samoan bars because I'll get my head handed to me..

I could respect TO if they tossed him out on his ear, but to offer OLD NEWS?

Insulting.

[LSK]

27. the NYTimes gave us OLD NEWS with the banking story

Maybe they should be shitcanned too?

[symbolman]

29. Yeah they should

and your point is?

[LSK]

31. my point is

Circular firing squads are fun.

[symbolman]

41. What a cliche, really..

toss that one out.. makes people look silly if there's even a hint of corruption and there IS a dark side to the Progressives..

You're seeing some of it right now, and it ain't me baby, I'm for TRUTH, Justice and the American Way :)

I used to be StuporMan in the military..

[LSK]

30. theres a simple solution

Dont read him.

[symbolman]

32. Okay

tell me why there's no Bev Harris here? Tell my why there are some links not allowed on the DU..

I'll tell you why, because they were full of shit, no one could trust them, yet the DU GAVE Harris a Million bucks(AAR helped there), while she threatened to SUE them, and DURING a fund raiser here.

Like Virginity, Credibility once gone for a reporter is GONE..

Why do I read him, because people keep POSTING HIS CRAP.. Why do people go to trainwrecks, carwrecks, etc..

Morbid curiosity.. But when we get Leopold IN CAPITAL LETTERS THRUST IN OUR FACES some people get mad.. I do.

Why doesn't he be a nice boy and go live at TO where he's wanted :)

[LSK]

40. they have a feature here

Its called "hide thread".

[symbolman]

42. Did someone say something?

I heard a noise.. :)

Okay, so I could ignore a hit and run driver, but that would be bad, BUT, I'm supposed to ignore a Hit and Run against the Truth, AND the credibility of the LEFT MEDIA?

AFter I've spent hundreds of thousands trying to make the RIGHT wing behave (stupid I know), and then a little sparrow fart comes along and Blows it all to hell..

He wasted 5 years of my life when he wrote that bullshit, and I don' appreciate it. sorry.

[bigtree]

86. One source, one outlet, one interpretation

Is that what you're arguing for?

I thrive on multiple sources and reports of the same story. It further disseminates the info. That's indisputable. Every story isn't geared toward a pulitzer. I consider ALL stories, reports, essays, etc. that are focused on uncovering the crimes and mismanagement of the Bush regime to have value as links in our chain of activism.

This backbiting serves the NARROW interest of an old argument of an old story. There is much that has happened since the article in dispute that's important to cover. We need all hands, all attention forward. There's a battle raging. We need ALL hands to work.

[tridim]

37. Which ironically is exactly what Rove wants

Some here are all too happy to bend over and serve it up, day after day for Rove's pleasure.

There's no proof that Leopold lied, he reported what his sources told him.

[Catherine Vincent]

34. Leopold is getting beat on here moreso than Lieberman. n/t

[Turn CO Blue]

35. symbolman posts 1700th thread on rehashed topic - tcb jeers.

I don't care about Jason one way or the other. This topic is a snore-fest.

[JuniperLea]

39. Yep. Yawn...

Makes you wonder why the beatings continue...

[VolcanoJen]

38. K&R

;-) Symbol!

[patcox2]

43. Its not a circular firing squad, its suicide by Leopold defenders.

thats right, its suicide. Leopold's defenders are deliberately destroying their own reputations by defending him. They should not cry and accuse those who can see the Leopold scam for what it is. You choose to defend the indefensible, you get what you deserve, how dare you suggest that because we're all democrats we have to tolerate and support liars among us.

As I point out above, Leopold's most offensive attribute is the way he hypes his non-stories in a deliberate, and deceptive, effort to make it seem like he is some kind of intrepid hero, a super-sleuth, which gets the emotional and easily excitable readers who are into personality cults (A lot of overlap here with Pitt followers, because Pitt is adept at plucking the same kind of strings) into "worship" mode, whereupon they have to start denying reality to defend their hero. Leopold is about Leopold, he obviously enjoys making himself the story, rather than reporting the story. Give him up. He's bad for you.

[bigtree]

90. my reputation

like I give a shit what you think of me. If you don't like what I have to say, tune me out. Or make me your project, who gives a shit. Like I'm looking behind me to see who's tugging me down.

What a waste of time and energy. EVERYONE who opposes this administration has value. We can't all be perfect representations of every one of our aspirations, OR values.

We need to get behind each other and PUSH. Forget dragging each other down, give a lift.

[titoresque]

45. Ironic though

for those of you who still see the ads on the bottom of the page...
Theres a picture of a few of the MSM anchors (or for those of you offeded, the CM anchors) and the caption reads "Who's Biased? Who's Fair?"

Seems to me you people who keep beating this dead horse would be practically living in a cave by now, so to speak. I mean surely you're not getting ANY news whatsoever from corporate news media....:eyes:

[AntiFascist]

47. More infighting and distractions...

Pretty soon Democrats may be waking up to a reality that we may not be taking back either house of Congress in November. It's nice that all this effort is being put into responsible reporting, but has anyone considered the possibility that government is so corrupt it can manipulate well-intentioned journalists into look bad?

[tridim]

49. No, that would never happen.. Never ever never

Our freedom loving government would never do something like that. Not to Leopold, not to Dan Rather, not to the NYT, not to..

[BuyingThyme]

48. Have they explained what happened to "stand down"?

I mean, how can they move on without explaining themselves?

P.S. If that little guy is still bookmarking posts to keep tabs on people who speak out (just like Bill O'Reilly and Ted Hitler), you can mark this one.

:hi:

[etherealtruth]

50. I have no need or desire to read Jason Leopold

With the wealth of writers and and those that scour the media for news and direct us to wonderful writers and legitimate news stories, I'm not even tempted to read Jason blair ... errr Leopold (yes their particular sins were not identical, but I have no reason to believe either of them).

[Reckon]

53. Leopold can only report

what his insiders tell him. Anyone can be set up and that's seems to be the repubs game.

edit: They are using things developed by the military on the American people. I think it's called "disinformation".

So go easy.

[midnight]

55. disinformation is probably what was used to distract this blog.

That said, how do reporters know when they are receiving real information, verses disinformation?

[Reckon]

56. True

"Oh, what tangled webs we weave, when we first practice to deceive"

I would think a critic of this Admin should be aware they will try to undermined his credibility by feeding him bad info. I'm not going to be shocked if the critic gets it wrong.

After all, it's part of their game plan. They feed us bad info through the M$M and we believe it. Like Iraq WMD. Did the M$M get it wrong or did they report what they were being fed?

Should Leopold be held to a higher standard than the M$M? I think not.

"Oh, what tangeled webs we weave, when we first practice to decieve" <-- look closer. :)

[DisgustedTX]

57. Ashton Kutcher starting a new show: "YOU'VE BEEN LEOPOLED!"

;)

[KittyWampus]

58. Some DU'ers really have a hard-on for attacking Leopold

it's as if they compensate for their own feelings of inferiority or something.

[DisgustedTX]

59. But do they get the TRUTHOUT?

:rofl:

[Catherine Vincent]

61. ~j~

[The Onyx Key]

60. Heh! You forgot to add to the top of your post "and evil men

are brought to justice!!"

The Truth is Out all right...out the door, down the street, and catching a cab out of town.

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[IsIt1984Yet]

66. Prove it, Jason. It's your claim and it's your job.

So, where's proof of the indictment? Did you ever get proof or base the story solely on sources you obviously couldn't verify?

[Joe Fields]

67. I just call them as I see them, pal.

Put yourself in my shoes for a moment. If you were me, and I had your history, what would you think of me?

You have zero credibility with me. Okay?

[jasonleopold]

70. That's your right.

[IsIt1984Yet]

68. Are you seriously insisting others DISPROVE your claims rather than

proving them to be true?

And WHO sounds like a lunatic?

My niece told me she saw TinkerBelle. She'd NEVER lie to me. You should print that, buddy. It's solid. PROVE IT'S NOT TRUE, I dare you.

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[johnnie]

78. Did you maybe think this might not be him?

:shrug:

[Marie26]

80. Oh, it's him

The tone is unmistakable.

[greatauntoftriplets]

83. Yep....

Want some :popcorn: ?

[Marie26]

84. Why thank you.

:popcorn: This should be a good show!

[greatauntoftriplets]

88. Here's some...

:beer: to wash it down.

[johnnie]

97. Just talked to him

Not him. I guess you are wrong. :shrug:

[Midlodemocrat]

100. Then who is this guy?

Do you know?

[johnnie]

101. Probably just another goofball

Or someone causing trouble. It has happened here many times.

[Midlodemocrat]

102. Did you call the number he listed?

Or Jason's?

[johnnie]

103. Email

And not the one posted here.

[Name removed]

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[AuntPatsy]

106. "sigh" too many times to count lately, its getting so old.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

112. I think it's Ken Lay ......

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[IsIt1984Yet]

85. Nope. That hadn't occured to me.

[Catherine Vincent]

91. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

:)

[The Straight Story]

74. I don't have a problem with the story myself, just how it was handled

A simple 'well, looks like my sources were wrong' might have helped things a bit. When it first appeared things were not as they should be it was disappointing but from my view you just passed along bad info. But the spin from there is what got me a little ticked.

[IsIt1984Yet]

77. Since you haven't enough posts to recommend this thread, I did it for you.

You're welcome.

[Blue-Jay]

93. There is a rule against personal attacks on DU.

Unless you're a respected journalist, that is.

[IsIt1984Yet]

121. Good morning, Jason. Still waiting for proof. Dream any up last nite?

Or are you still waiting for others to disprove your story?

Hmmm??

[Misunderestimator]

122. If this really is you, which I doubt, you haven't helped your credibility

a fraction with this post.

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[Joe Fields]

69. Jason, my name is not Thomas. I use my real name. I live in

Missouri, which is known as the "Show me" state, and you have shown me a decided lack of character, professionalism, and the lack of ability to address the right person on a thread you are responding to.

[stepnw1f]

71. Very Cool.... KICK!

[PaDem]

73. This doesn't help..........

rather undignified as a matter of fact.

[BuyingThyme]

118. Understatement of the year.

(If it's for real.)

[Sydnie]

76. thanks Jason

Welcome to DU!

[Marie26]

79. I knew it was only a matter of time. nt

[WillyT]

82. Hey Jason, These Guys Have Been Jumping Your Bones For Weeks Now...

All I can say, is that some here have some REALLY strange hobbies. I'd expect to find many wingless flies where they live.

Know that many of us do not agree with this behaviour, and are in fact, embarrassed by it.

Keep fighting the good fight man, and don't let the obsessively strange get ya down.

Peace...

:hi:

[IsIt1984Yet]

87. I wouldn't "jump his bones" on his BEST day! I am, however, asking

that he prove the story that he claimed and printed as truth.

Obsessively strange is reading his post above. Read that long paragraph where he demands that someone ELSE prove his store NOT true. That's weird. He needs to prove it is. That's how reporting works. Unless you're Weekly World News or Faux News or something.

[greatauntoftriplets]

89. Yup....

I am a graduate of Northwestern University's Medill School of Journalism. Class of 1971. An old fartess maybe, but the credibility issues still exist.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

92. Welcome to DU.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[Scout1071]

94. I have got to say....that is some pair of balls.

Given the absolute beatings that the Leopold topics face on this board, I respect you layin' it out there with your number and all.

[AuntPatsy]

96. I'm glad to see you come on here as hard as it must be to have to endure

the outright hostility far too many dur's are displaying towards you. Considering the very real threat that is out there at this time, the time spent bashing you leaves me wondering where people's heads are really at.

Hang in there, I for one seriously don't understand what is going on these days regardless of rove seemingly not being indicted, it's pretty clear that he should have been and thats what people should be up in arms about.

[BuyingThyme]

116. Attacking people's fatherhood?

Bring in the straight jacket. This is some good reportin'.

[Misunderestimator]

123. Hey, you already posted this crap in #64. What gives?

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[AuntPatsy]

95. You had earned my respect early on, your not doing so now

and I can't for the life of me imagine why you seem to have lately made it your life's mission to ridicule one reporter when it's more than obvious that many many more out there are far worse, I'm not trying to start an argument here, I realize you have worked very hard over the years in an attempt to see justice in the media, what your doing now is bordering on petty kindergarden antics and I for one am really suprised, is this perhaps a bit more personal for you with Jason than what those of us who read this site are aware of?

[DemonFighterLives]

98. Are we getting somewhere now?

Hi Jason, Welcome to DU!

I think I can say we are all ready for the next chapter.

:dem:

[Midlodemocrat]

99. I don't understand the public excoriation of someone who is

on our side. :shrug:

I don't know Jason, but I'm not going to pile on the death to TO threads that keep popping up here on DU. I respect Will Pitt too much for the things he writes and the work he has done.

If Jason Leopold was wrong, he was wrong. Let it go. It won't be the first time a journalist was had by his sources. If he lied, which I don't think he did simply because he posted in this thread and appears to want to set the record straight, so be it. HE isn't responsible for the war in Iraq. HE isn't responsible for the BFEE, nor Karl Rove and his demonic behavior.

Why are we eating our own? LET IT GO.

[AuntPatsy]

104. Nor do I and it' disqusting, I thought this was a group that attempted

to weed out the bad from the good with good ole fashioned research and intelligent debating, this attack on Jason and TO is far from Du's finer moments.

[Scout1071]

105. Great post.

What MD said.

[Rex]

107. Maybe we should be more critical of our side.

We should be held to higher standards than the Repukes. Another month has passed and still no revelation. I guess I have to conclude that it was a fabricated story, on lack of evidence to say otherwise. If it was a sting operation by the GOP, then all the evidence needs to be brought out for everyone to see. If there is none then Leopold needs to make it his new mission in life to find out who made him look and act like a fool. Just my 2cents.

[Midlodemocrat]

110. Personally, I think we should realize that the only people

who are upset about this are on this thread. Truthout, while a staple for many of us here at DU, is what it is, a left wing blog. It isn't CNN or Faux or MSNBC and most people haven't even heard of it.

We need to calm down and take a deep breath and realize that there is no way that the GOP is going to go after Jason Leopold to get to the Democratic Party. For cryin' out loud, DU is the biggest and brightest and it still has only 80,000,000 registered members. And that is only the number of the people who have register, not the small amount that read and post every day.

JMHO. YMMV.

[Rex]

117. You underestimate the BFEE if you think they wouldn't

micromanage every single thing that goes on in this country or at least try to. And no, there are far more people who know about TO then just DUs populous. 90,000+ is a lot of politically active people compared to how many actually vote. I WISH we had 80 million Durs - ooh man that gives me goosebumps!

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[Sydnie]

120. See post # 92

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1578873&mesg_id=1583554

[Marr]

109. You know, I really don't get this obsessive criticism of Jason Leopold.

Yeah- he got something wrong. Pardon me for saying it, but BIG. FUCKING. DEAL.

I have to assume the people with this weird Leopold fixation are the people who got their hopes up way too goddamn high about the Rove investigation. I didn't understand that obsession either, to be honest.

[AuntPatsy]

113. It's funny because if you believed those going on about Jason

his article alone about Rove seemingly made the whole dem party look foolish. The ridiculous assumption of that even having and real value considering what is being said about the dem party nightly on far too many media programs is downright laughable, I never realized that Jason Leopold was held by so many to be the mouth piece for the Liberal side of the coin, fact is, before DU I had never even heard of him nor do I know anyone who has heard of him outside of DU...

Focus people and question why this has become such a big deal in order to destroy Truthouts credibility, Jason is not doing that, but many here on DU are trying desperately to do just that if you ask me.

[Blue-Jay]

114. Did he ever say "I was wrong"?

Not to my recollection, he didn't. Not even "I was misled".

[mountainvue]

115. Axe to grind much? n/t

[Skinner]

124. I'm going to lock this now.

A few things:

1) I really do not appreciate being referenced in someone else's flame bait thread topic. The quote from me in the OP is taken way out of context.

2) Moderating this thread has been extremely complicated due to the fact that Jason Leopold is something of a public figure, and has been personally attacked on this website repeatedly for months. As most of you know, we generally permit personal attacks against public figures, which is why we have permitted attacks against Mr. Leopold. When Jason Leopold showed up in this thread (which personally attacks him) and started to attack back, would it have been fair for us to delete Jason's posts right off the bat? Deleting his posts would have been justified under our rules, but to me it did not seem fair to do so -- particularly since we were not going to go back and delete thousands of personal attacks against Mr. Leopold posted over the last few months. I felt it was only fair to let Mr. Leopold say his piece. I instructed the moderators to keep their hands off of this thread overnight, and I would deal with it in the morning.

3) Now that everyone has had a chance to say their piece and get a response, I am going to lock this thread. When I get into the office later this morning, I will discuss with the other admins whether we should go back and delete the personal attacks from this thread.

4) Even though we made an exception last night, we are not going to continue allowing exceptions to our rules against personal attacks. If Mr. Leopold returns to DU and attacks our members, he will get his posts removed. If any of our members personally attacks Mr. Leopold when he is participating on DU, we will remove those posts. But everyone needs to understand that since Jason Leopold is a public figure, we will continue to permit free and open discussion about his public activities, including personal attacks -- as we do with any public figure. HOWEVER, as I said above, when Mr. Leopold is participating on DU we will not permit members to attack him.

Skinner
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