C-SPAN 2-Leak Investigation Panel-Wilson, Waas, Johnson, Hamsher & More

[kpete]

Yearly Kos

Emptywheel and Froomkin

Have I forgotten anybody?

Anybody watching this?

[ralps]

1. Christy Hardin Smith also of Firedoglake.com is also on the panel

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[johnnie]

2. We posted this at the same time

Joe Wilson speaking now.

[ralps]

3. Joe Wilson/Mr. Valerie Plame is talking now

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[kpete]

4. Joe Wilson

Introduces himself as Mr. Valerie Plame

The story should be not about my wife
but about
WHO PUT THE 16 WORDS IN THE SOTU SPEECH AND WHY?

[Coexist]

5. Oh yes! I just tuned in.

I love me some Mr. Plame.

[Pirate Smile]

6. Nice introduction by Hamsher.

[307 MMS]

7. On

Just turned it on...thanks to you! Awesome.

[Coexist]

8. "inconvenient facts" "inconvenient ideas"

"I for one, refuse to be intimidated." "We must stand up to the schoolyard bullies."

Yes.

[ralps]

9. "The story should have been who put the 16 words in B*sh's state of the

Union Address not Joe Wilson" Wilson said. I'm paraphrasing. "This is about war & why we wage it not about Wilson" "I for one refuse to be intimidated"
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[kpete]

10. more Wilson

WE MUST AND WE CAN STAND UP TO THE SCHOOLYARD BULLIES!!!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

11. I am now!

Thanks!

:bounce:

[Coexist]

12. Froomkin up! Giving props to Waas.

[ralps]

13. Dan Froomkin on now

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[helderheid]

14. tuned in and forwarded to local lists

[Ivote]

17. Have It Now

Thanks
:kick:

[kpete]

15. Froomkin

Waas is one of the few hero's in this story

[ralps]

16. "If it had not been for Murray Waas reporting on Judy Miller, she might

have been a hero instead of a Shill." My paraphrasing of Dan Froomkin. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Coexist]

18. "(I'm a) token MSM guy"

that is funny!

[ralps]

19. Murray Waas on now

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[pberq]

20. Thanks, kpete!

Murray Waas up now. Go Murray!

[burythehatchet]

21. Goddess bless CSPAN

[kpete]

22. Waas Up

Plame story linked to story of WMDs

Sounds like it is a lonely job covering this story

[ralps]

24. Yes it does seem like a lonely job to be just about the only journalist

covering the story. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :grr:

[lala_rawraw]

50. um, he is not the only journalist on this story...n/t

[ralps]

56. I know lala_rawraw, thanks for your work!!

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo: :yourock:

[ralps]

23. "Journalists have not simply read the public record, bloggers like Jane

have"- my paraphrasing of Murray Wass. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[ralps]

25. "What are you not being told & what stories do you not even know you're

not being told" Murray's mentioned Byron York a couple of times. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[kpete]

26. More Waas

Do not know where story is going


Fitz investigating thorougly-no leaks



Ken Starr fed and was loved by the Washington Press Corps

Media went in the same direction as Ken Starr because HE TOOK CARE OF THEM!

[ralps]

27. Marcy Wheeler of Empywheel.com on now.

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[pberq]

28. "Let's open up the public square to debate"

- Murray Waas. What a novel idea! Does anyone think this will happen?

[kpete]

29. Yeah

LETS DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ralps]

30. "we have a lot of people with real expertise on the blogs covering the

story" "She's done more reading on Judy Miller than anyone would want to" Paraphrasing what Marcy Wheeler said. She also mentions Richard Armitage's maybe is Mr.X
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[ralps]

31. "We're really good at saying reporters got spun"

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Coexist]

32. Larry Johnson up!

[ralps]

33. Larry Johnson on now, "George Bush competing for the Hutzpah award"

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Coexist]

36. "Valerie Plame must be the most clairvoyant woman in the world"

Ha ha ha!

[oasis]

34. Larry Johnson "I,M not so sure what a conservative is anymore".

[kpete]

35. Larry Johnson

just back from Iraq

Not refutable - Valerie Plame was Undercover


Rove still in WH is a stain in the WH


I am puzzled how conservatives can support this admin


BASIC FACTS

CIA said no operational relationship
Bush Admin Said YES THERE IS

Yellowcake CIA Said No
Bush Said Yes

BUSH LIED TO AMERICAN PEOPLE

[Coexist]

37. "I wish we were making this crap up!"

"So Joe could spring into action"

Oh my - the great quotes from Larry.

[ralps]

38. "It was baseless and without foundation" The CIA told the Bush Admin. as

little as a week before Bush's state of the union address, about the Niger Uranium claims. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[LeftNYC]

39. Larry Johnson for President...I love this guy...nt

[The Witch]

40. WOW, Johnson: blaming Plame is like blaming troops...

Why don't the Republicans support our (intelligence) troops?

[kpete]

41. Johnson on Plame

She was a protected agent

The cases she was working on - Identify Iran's Nuclear Capability

This was exposed


Damage done to CIA and Security of this nation

TREASON!!!

[ralps]

42. "There was damage done to the CIA operations"

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[lala_rawraw]

51. oh... did waas report this or that plame working on Iran?

or was there another journalist sneaking around?

[kpete]

54. Of course it was you

And what a story!

[lala_rawraw]

60. Yeah and he is the only journalist on this story? I like Waas

And I respect his work, but this is unreal.

[Coexist]

43. STANDING O for Larry!

[seemslikeadream]

44. T-R-E-A-S-O-N

TREASON

Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here: http://s93118771.onlinehome.us/DU/AMERICANJUDAS.pdf

[dogday]

45. Nothing Short Of Treason

that just about says it all....

[ralps]

46. Christy Hardin Smith of Firedoglake.com on now talking about Grand

Juries among other things. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[LeftNYC]

47. She's good. She has an interesting article on firedog about the yearly

Kos. Damn, I shoulda gone to Vegas.

[ralps]

48. She's pointing out that the grand jury deals with other cases besides

the Plame investigation. "you don't leave a defendant hanging" ... "Which brings us to Karl Rove, The investigation is ongoing" paraphrasing Christy Hardin Smith.
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[kpete]

49. Christy Hardin Smith

Using a "Regular Grand Jury"

He has a team of lawyers (small)

They are careful with Public's $$$

Just because you do not see Fitz - does not mean other lawyers are not working with the jury on the case.


Because it is a "Regular Grand Jury" - you do not LEAD THEM ON...


Re: Karl Rove - investigation ongoing...(per Fitz)
Judge has said same thing
Swearing in of New Grand Jury means same thing

[Skidmore]

52. This is great! I was so absorbed in it I forgot to check this thread

or to post anything.

[Mandate My Ass]

53. YES!!!! You cannot hide behind shield law if you're using

a journalist as a tool to commit a crime! :applause:

[ralps]

55. "If you're using a journalist to plant a story you should not be protected

Christy said. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Mandate My Ass]

57. Wilson: Proud to wear US on my lapels during 23 years of service

not republican not dem, US!

Process kicked in after exposing VP, process to protect great document, the Constitution.

When Pat Fitzgerald was named has reinforced the commitment of career officials to ensure this remains a nation of laws.

Social contract predicated on rule of law, will be successfully implemented.

[kpete]

58. Any limits

to what they might do to avoid incarceration?

Wilson
Great faith in country
Process of law to defend the Constitution

Fitz will defend constitution

Waas
President can pardon everyone
Plus the "classified" issue
Private Defense Funds

[Mandate My Ass]

59. waas: executive has vast popwer

Iran Contra, GHWB pardoned everyone on Xmas eve. Brought to a close. Did press cover that well? Broder of WaPo applauded Bush I.

What is interesting, has not been covered by any major columnist or newspaper, Reid said to Bush "don't close this down." The power of pardon and classification or declassification. Ollie North got his charges thrown out.

Private defense funds, pres's friends raising money for his defense. Hasn't been raised yet. Not going to have friends of POTUS bailing us out of Vegas jails.

[ralps]

61. "There has not been a major news organization that is covering the

pardon issue" Murray Waas said- paraphrasing. Jane-"who are the people contributing to Libby's defense fund" paraphrasing :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Mandate My Ass]

62. Wilson: I learned from Time mag she was best shot with AK-47

(meaning Valerie) Trust me, it changed the nature of our relationship. Gave whole new meaning to term "yes dear." :rofl:

In response to question from audience about Bushco "picking on girls."

[stop the bleeding]

63. Where in the hell have I been??

I just skimmed the responses, where are we at with this?

Sorry for being a pain in the #$%#$

[kpete]

66. Stop the Bleeding

Fascinating

Especially Larry Johnson

[ralps]

64. "Dick Cheney in the crosshairs of the investigation" Larry said. Christy

gives a shout out to the White House Iraq Group. :hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[seemslikeadream]

65. A shout out to the White House Iraq Group

:thumbsup:

[Mandate My Ass]

67. that was way cool

they haven't been mentioned today but we're all thinking about them. LOL.

[seemslikeadream]

76. Yes we're all thinking about them

:hi:

[Mandate My Ass]

83. What a great panel

all of them made very good points and laid out their cases without vitriol. How refreshing! :hi:

[ralps]

68. Marcy says that there is one journalist she trusts- Murray Waas

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[lala_rawraw]

84. i just lost all respect for Waas

[johnnie]

69. Addressed the Truthout story

At least they weren't nasty.

[The Witch]

74. Why not ask Larry if he really posted on DU :-(

saying he and joe had heard same thing :(

[LeftNYC]

80. Thats what I was hoping for...nt

[DemReadingDU]

70. hoping C-Span re-broadcasts this panel

I missed the 1st half :(

[ralps]

71. "Rove's team & Libby's team are spinning hard" Marcy said

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[Coexist]

82. Joe: "no one asked if I had two sources"

that was a good sane segment.

[napi21]

72. Thanks! I didn't realize it was going to be on TV!

I have the live straming links, but this is BETTER!

[kpete]

73. Marcy Wheeler - Highly sceptical

of stories other than from Waas or Stick to Court Docs for info

Because very difficult to get anything out of Fitz

Rove's team is spinning - so be careful

[stop the bleeding]

77. it figures that I get here just in time for the hour break

;(

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

79. She also talked about how the Rove "machine" was working as it always has

worked, implying how it uses misinformation to discredit others.

[lala_rawraw]

86. Right, because all the other journalists on this story made shit up

Amazing how much ego can trump ethics. At this point, I see no difference between the people in the WH spinning reporters (and there are those to be sure) and the bloggers at that panel who think they know what they are talking about or have the right to publicly attack people who do honest work, even if they make mistakes sometimes.

It is all based on personal infighting and that seems to trump ethics. Larry and Wilson did a fine job. I missed Froomkin. But I caught Waas giving himself credit and it was sleazy, that is the only word that comes to mind. Pure sleaze.

Sorry, but whatever respect I had for Waas evaporated the moment he thought it appropriate to take down a journalist based on their personal differences and to do it in public. That is sleazy and underhanded. Whatever you think of the TO story is irrelevant. Ethics does not change and it does not change even when you are right and have the authority from which to speak. As for Hamsher, well, she is what she is. But I am frankly surprised by Marcy's comments because I have generally respected her work. It is unfortunate that this is what represents honest/left leaning reporting and citizen journalism. I am frankly disappointed. They have created a clique to the detriment of a serious movement and it should be seen for what it is.

And for Waas to have the arrogance to act this way when he has the respect of other journalists is inappropriate and I don't doubt for a moment others will see this whorish display of hubris and walk the other way, when in fact, now would be a time to walk toward. As I have said, despite whatever else in private I may have thought of Waas. I have always respected his work. Now I simply find him cheap and arrogant and far too close to certain people when as a journalist he should know better than to get involved in cat fights. I am sadly disappointed in him. Ethics is ethics and if you bend them for your own personal twists, then you change your own ethical makeup.

[KoKo]

87. Which one is ReddHedd from Firedoglake? Is it Marcy or Christy?

thanks...

[ralps]

90. She's Christy Hardin Smith- The red head

:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

75. This was great! Thank you for the heads up! eom

[Spazito]

78. This has been excellent!

Thanks for the heads-up!

81. that was good - seeing them live and together - helps to bring this story

together and show how the MSM is out to lunch.

[glitch]

85. Man was that a smart panel. I have a lot of work to do but I was engrossed

Not a good panel to try and have on in background... talk about must see tv. Can you imagine if this sort of thing were on our networks and cable shows consistently? I'd never get any work done!

[ralps]

88. Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake.com has posted that C-Span will

have our (the Plame panel) panel online tomorrow. here's the link- http://www.firedoglake.com/2006/06/09/vegas-baby/
:hi: :loveya: :hug: :pals: :woohoo:

[kpete]

89. thanks ralps