Keith Olbermann will do spot on O'Really's version of Malmedy!!!

[PublicWrath]

O'Really thinks US troops massacred captive SS officers at Malmedy during WW2. He's got it backwards. He's said it twice on his show.....both times to WES CLARK! This is going to be a keeper.

[AllieB]

1. These are the times that I wish that I had TIVO

x(

[Jack from Charlotte]

14. I've never heard KO so pissed off as on this. He tore the Faux moron a ...

new orifice.

[Tansy_Gold]

47. He was. . . . . and did he ever!

KO was visibly shaking with fury as he hauled Bill-o's ass on the carpet. I wanted to say, "Chill, Keith, or you're gonna have a stroke."

I'm no gung-ho defender of "the troops," and I have no doubt there have been far too many atrocities committed by American military personnel over the ages, more than we'll ever probably know about. But O'Reilly's double fuck-up, and with Wes Clark both times, and his failure to admit his mistake -- and then FAUX's scrubbing of the transcript. . . . . .

Well, it's no wonder I never allow that station to be on my television.

[Canuckistanian]

2. So what's his point then?

That American troops have a fine and honorable tradition of massacring unarmed people?

What could he possibly gain from this argument if IF he got the facts right?

[PublicWrath]

3. Actually, that was precisely his point!!

Somebody posted transcripts of both shows with Clark, and O'Really seemed to be making the argument that scandal about war crimes should be suppressed because war crimes are the customary and time-honored tradition of the US military and are endorsed by the US government.

That's exactly how it sounded.

[jollyreaper2112]

27. ayup, that's what it sounded like

My dad lives in a camper and whenever he's staying near a place that catches Limbo he'll wind up saying the same crazy shit about any given topic. Last year it was saying that torture is no big deal, happens in every war, only pollyanna liberals think you can run the world without torture. It's the same good ol' boy "way of the world" justification trotted out when you have rich boys getting off scott-free on rape charges, presidents (of both parties) pardoning criminals, and news of various corrupt shit from Washington hitting the air. The ports deal gave us the same argument: "This is the way the world works. You think it's any other way?" And to that I have to reply "Just because it's fucked up, should we accept that?" Same answer that should be given to idiots mouthing off about supply and demand. "Rats and roaches live by competition under the laws of supply and demand; it is the privilege of human beings to live under the laws of justice and mercy."

Suffice to say, the repuke approach is to justify all evils, no matter how reprehensible. I think there was a good Dancing Bug about this one, showing Pukes justifying the eating of live babies on television after Bush scarfs one down.

[upi402]

29. I withdraw my consent to be governed

I think this government is illegitimate. I agree with you, that just because it's all fucked up -does that mean we should just accept it as 'the way things are'? No, I say. Hell no usually. And deep down inside I say OH FUCK NO -pretty regularly for years now.

[Canuckistanian]

74. Ah yes, the "everyone does it" theory

It's used for everything from torture to corruption to pandering.

When you can't deny something bad, pretend there's nothing wrong with it in the first place.

And then deny it again.

[Cush]

4. Stewie!

[CatWoman]

5. LOL

I knew you'd be in this thread!!

:hi:

[Jacobin]

6. Punked!!

OhReally eviscerated and his innards and cowardly stupidity strewn on the ground for all to see and smell.

Best .Smackdown. Ever

[durrrty libby]

7. KO goin off on BO ......all out assault.................n/t

[CatWoman]

9. what a smackdown!!

:wow:

:rofl:

[TahitiNut]

21. I wish I had that one on tape. (I say that almost never.)

Keith unloaded absolutely every word-weapon in his considerable arsenal on the Falafel-fucker. Good for Keith! Wow!

[CatWoman]

45. you only need ask, Doll

:hi:

http://www.canofun.com/cof/blogg/default.asp

[Cush]

8. "and again Tuesday & Wednesday by a False Patriot"

[MessiahRp]

10. Keith was PISSED!!

Wow... Amazing to watch. O'Reilly is a fucking joke.

Rp

[TahitiNut]

11. Wow! Keith is tearing Billo at least ten new assholes!

Sockitohim, Keith! It's about damned time that lying fuck was drawn and quartered.

[eleny]

12. O'Reillly is tap dancing in a row boat on this one

[Skip Intro]

13. HOLY SHIT! That was...I'm speechless...

That wasn't just a dress-down of the worm o'whatever, that was one pissed off patriot.

Dayum!

[NightOwwl]

Oh wow....KO is pissed off (as well he should be.)

Here are just a few of his choice phrases:

"Belly up to the Billo Bar of Bluster"

"Movable Falafel Feast"

"The Sideshow Bob of Commentators"

"Muttering the same grunt of inarticulate surrender"

"The Sisyphus of Morons"

Let's hope Crooks and Liars gets the video up soon. This is not to be missed.

[spanone]

15. Whew! KO just whooped O'Reilly's ass. Way to go Keith.

:party:

[Julius Civitatus]

16. Owned!

Keith just lectured O'Reilly... again!

It was great.

[giant_robot]

17. MAJOR SMACKDOWN!

I've never seen KO look so pissed off. I can't wait for the video to hit the 'net.

[opihimoimoi]

18. I don't blame KO for being PISSED....OReally was clearly BSing

the audience with Pub Crap....

[originalpckelly]

19. Keith smacked O'Reilly the fuck down...

That was amazing! Way to go Keith, the history of America has too often become the casualty of Wild Bill O'Reilly!

Truth...finally.

[Stinky The Clown]

20. For anyone who didn't catch this the first time, KO was ROYALLY PISSED

He gave what may be the grandaddy of all teevee rants - righteous rants - ever seen. A two or three minute, non stop rant against BO.

And every word so spot on it will bring tears to your eyes.

[WolverineDG]

35. Definitely the best since the famous

"City of Louisiana" rant of this past Labor Day.

:loveya: KO :patriot:

dg

[azmouse]

22. I applaud that story by KO!!!

It was beautiful!! So nice to hear the truth come out!

[DemoTex]

23. Whoa! Absolutely breathtaking. I have tears in my eyes.

I have never seen such genuine indignation on TV in my life. Keith was, justifiably, on fire. How can Fox continue to run with BO's egregious lies?

[PublicWrath]

24. And Countdown caught him laundering the transcript....

O'Really is finished.

[jollyreaper2112]

25. Keith be pisso'd!

I thought he was going to climb through the TV and strangle Bill to death with his own bile. DAMN! When Keith delivers a smackdown, he delivers a smackdown. I want the clip of this to watch again.

[PA Democrat]

26. FOX scrubbed the transcript to try to cover up O'Reilly's disgusting

claim. Bill O'Reilly responded to a viewer's letter of protest claiming that he said the American troops later committed atrocities after Malmedy, when he knows DAMN well he is lying through his teeth. O'Reilly is too vile for words.

[jollyreaper2112]

31. grr

Well, the history books say that after Malmedy the rule was that there would be no taking of high-ranking SS prisoners. (don't have the source to cite on that one, I just remember reading it.) I also remember from history books first-hand accounts of individual soldiers committing acts of individual attrocity. There was a first person account by one soldier of a squadmate who would shoot any German prisoner he could lay his hands on. I think it was because his brother had gotten killed earlier in the war or something like that.

But really, none of that is the point. One crime should not excuse another. That is the way the Republicans think. "You can't say anything about Abramhoff because I think a Democrat took a bribe once. That means you can't prosecute corrupt Republicans." Huh?! So if Germans shot American POW's and Americans shot German POW's, that means nobody can complain if 60 some years later we're gunning down Iraqi civilians? HUH?!?!?!

As far as shooting prisoners goes, war sucks. In the Pacific, it was just about impossible to safely take Japanese prisoners. For one thing, most fought to the death, period. Second, some of those who feigned surrender were actually using it as a ploy to get close enough to American GI's to then throw grenades. At that point, no commander worth his salt would risk his troops with capturing surrendering Japanese. I remember reading accounts of Japanese sailors getting pulled onto American ships after a battle and they were carrying grenades and other weapons and then tried to attack their rescuers! Interviews with surviving Japanese soldiers and sailors helped to explain their state of mind. The humiliation they felt at being captured would be about as shattering as if an American was caught by his mother having gay sex and liking it. For them it was a shame that could not be lived with which explains why so few did.

It's too debilitating to try and understand the Republican point of view.

[hlthe2b]

52. I believe the point was killing civilians...

Clark was angry when O'Rielly claimed Americans killed innocent civilians in Belgium and Iwo Jima....

[babylonsister]

56. After hearing KO, I'd love to see a source for this from you for

clarification in my own mind:

"Well, the history books say that after Malmedy the rule was that there would be no taking of high-ranking SS prisoners. (don't have the source to cite on that one, I just remember reading it.) I also remember from history books first-hand accounts of individual soldiers committing acts of individual attrocity. There was a first person account by one soldier of a squadmate who would shoot any German prisoner he could lay his hands on. I think it was because his brother had gotten killed earlier in the war or something like that."

And welcome to DU!

[jollyreaper2112]

65. don't have the links

I don't have the links to the original books I read. I can't even think of the titles to direct you there. Here's the important point, though: common sense tells us that yes, there were individual acts of attrocity by American soldiers in WWII, just as in any war, same as there are acts of murder, theft, rape, etc, committed by Americans in any war. The key difference here is whether such activity is condoned by the chain of command. A military unit with proper command and control engages in warfare, not murder. A unit seeking only to kill from bloodlust is of little military value because it would be jeopardizing the mission in favor of taking more heads. Perfect example is with fighter escorts -- their job is NOT to shoot down enemy fighters, their job is to keep the bombers from getting shot down! If they shoot down some fighters keeping them away from the bombers, great! But if they pursue a fighter to destroy it and leave the bombers vulnerable to another fighter, they did not do their jobs.

In WWII, it was not our policy to commit murder, terror, and reprisal killings on the ground. (You could argue that the city bombing campaigns were terrorist acts but we'll ignore the air war for the sake of this argument.) The Germans took so much flak for what they did because a) they lost and b) terror was an official policy. See their attrocities here. http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres.html

What makes Gulf War 2 different from our previous wars is the chain of command's condoning of actions previously considered reprehensible by our armed forces. Torture? That's what the commies did! I don't think that Rumsfeld sent a memo down to shoot civilians in the same way he did to torture prisoners but I do think that there is an official attitude of "we don't want to hear bad news" so there is zero accountability going on here. If you are the LT and you find out your soldiers did something bad, your boss doesn't want to hear about it. His boss doesn't want to hear about it. Nobody up the chain of command wants to hear about it. So you job is to make sure they don't hear about it. I hear that the families were paid $25,000 a head (previously on Olbermann) and as the guy said, that ain't the kind of money a private carries around in his back pocket.

[Joe Chi Minh]

86. This not about the despatching of senior SS officers for the

vermin they were, but the massacring of civilians, civilians of both sexes and all ages, in a war of aggression.

"(You could argue that the city bombing campaigns were terrorist acts but we'll ignore the air war for the sake of this argument.)"

You might argue it, but it wouldn't wash with me.

The Axis waged a total war of aggression, of imperialism, which relies on terrorism to suppress occupied peoples. That means civilian massacres, period. If you wage such a total war of aggression, you can't complain when the defenders take the gloves off, and, on the macro level, return like for like. But fortunately, one individual personally torturing another, is a specialism of the pychopath, and not something any even half-human individual would want to engage in.

The bombing in WWII was not principally undertaken as a weapon of torture, but of destruction and, yes, terror - unlike napalm, gas, chemicals, etc., which aims at terror and torture.

One of the stated reasons for the bombing (as well as targeting industrial sites, some having been moved there) was to lower the morale of the German population, but I think some of those raids would have been more for plain vengeance than anything else. And in the context of WWII, I do not even consider it to have been immoral, but amoral. Formally, of course - as all violence is; but not actually, because in such confrontations, attitudes on both sides harden, and it's too late for ethical calibrations. And if any invading army had treated countrymen of mine, never mind my family, like the Nazis treated milliions of Russians, I'd have bombed them all into oblivion in less than a heartbeat, if I'd had the chance.

The sad fact is, of course, that the Nazi/corporatist/imperialist beast - the old Adam - as we can see now, all too well, recrudesces cyclically, and was by no means uniquely German. In fact, I expect God to hold the monied people of the West living at that time (and today) more culpable than the Germans themselves. Hitler never enjoyed an electoral majority before he came to power, but our monied boys and girls thought he and Mussolini were the tops. They refused to give any assistance to German resistance fighters who, at great personal risk, sought help from our leaders in the UK, and the former had of course for some years supported the Nazis. I doubt very much that they would have denied support, moral or economic, even proximately, during that time (when Churchill was a voice in the wilderness). The slogan of Quintin Hogg, later to become Thatcher's Mr Law and Order, when he was standing for the Tories in Oxford, was "A vote for Hogg is a vote for Hitler." AND HE WON THE SEAT. When it comes down to it, I doubt if any of the leading European countries or America doesn't deserve to be wiped off the face of the earth. But then, that's original sin. We have to have been preserved for a worthwhile purpose.

[robbedvoter]

28. Video + transcript of Clark smacking O'really:

http://www.securingamerica.com

[PublicWrath]

32. Great! Thanks! .......nt

[upi402]

36. thanks, that was good

if Clark was pres, we would not be knee-deep in horse shit and stomping our feet like brats!

[Skip Intro]

30. KO called him a "false patriot" - !!!

could you have imagined that three years ago?

GOD, that was beautiful!

That whole segment.

I can't wait for the clip so I can send it out far and wide...

[madmusic]

33. Love it! KO looked pissed, too. n/t

[renate]

34. Wow, no kidding--I've never seen Keith so angry

Usually where O'Reilly's wrongness is concerned, there's some humor and condescension in his voice. Not this time. I wondered whether he had a grandfather or other relative killed at Malmedy.

...or maybe he just has an issue with O'Reilly libeling American soldiers who gave their lives for their country.

[Zynx]

37. Jesus Christ! What the hell is with O'Reilly?

[opihimoimoi]

40. Bill and Rush are getting together it seems...both appear to loaded half

the time...

[oasis]

48. Bill and Rush know they are lying. A deliberate right wing attempt

to deceive Foxbots and freeps. The "ignorant right" is where the money is. Why do you think Ann Coulter is swimming in dough?

[wordpix2]

55. I truly believe the RW "media" are paid big time by BushCo & that's why

they lie. They are just another arm of the criminal admin., probably on the BushCheneyBigOil payroll and lying to the public is nothing for them. They are in it for the money. I'd like to haul their asses before a Dem Congress to investigate their lies. Isn't there some kind of law like mail fraud---media fraud---we could nail them on?

[opihimoimoi]

67. Shameful Whores they are

[AlCzervik]

38. that was excellent, never seen his anger up to 11.

[Bucky]

39. Pfff! FACTS! You can prove anything with facts.

Homer Simpson quotes would be a lot funnier if Bush didn't keep setting the bar for parody so high.

[Mr_Spock]

41. Somebody please post the link to the video clip

when it's available :D

[Zynx]

44. Here it is:

http://mccarthy.vg:8080/images.mccarthy.vg/200510/oreilly-malmedy.mov

[Mr_Spock]

51. Thanks - would like to see the KO response too

:D

[PublicWrath]

60. I think Crooks and Liars will have it later, they've already posted the

rough transcript. You'll probably want to wait and see the clip, though, it's really powerful.

[PublicWrath]

64. Here you go,

http://www.canofun.com/cof/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=16111

[Mr_Spock]

66. Thanks - O'Liely got the ass whoopin' he so dearly deserves!

Wow - that fucking moron made the same mistake - TWICE in 8 months.

Jackass!!

[checks-n-balances]

42. Now watch for The Swiftboating of KO and watch KO give it right back!!

BO' had better not be walking down any back alleys near the MSNBC studio, 'cause just the sight of Keith should send him runnin'.

He should get an Emmy for what he did tonight.

Way to set the record straight and call BS on O'Jackass when you hear it, Keith!

[PublicWrath]

43. Does anyone else think O'Really will be retired soon?

I think this might be the end of braying ass Bill. I think Faux will ease him out.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

49. Are you KIDDING? You way underestimate their shamelessness.

For starters, 90 percent of their pinhead regular audience is unlikely to ever learn about the facts laid down by Keith O. so they can continue to live their lives as angry little balls of hate, blissfully unaware.

[PublicWrath]

53. Well, he certainly seems like a liability these days. n/t

[roguevalley]

68. a lot of his audience is that age, ww 2. I am damned sure there

were vets listening who had their minds blown by his assininity.

[PublicWrath]

69. That's what I'm thinking, too. ......n/t

[johnfunk]

46. Best. Takedown. EVER.

Billo isn't going to like it. Nor is Ailes.

[bunny planet]

50. Keith Olbermann is the new Edward R. Murrow.

And boy do we ever need one.

Best O'Leilly smackdown ever. I can hear the air escaping from his giant pinhead from Joisey.

[Skip Intro]

54. Something happened tonight. Something special. Something extra.

This was above and beyond any smackdown/takedown/poke a stick at the fearmongering blowhard lightweight impostors KO does now and then.

Something real happened to me watching that. I saw something real happen to KO as he delivered it. A mark was made, a line was drawn (or crossed), a flag was moved - something extra happened with this tonight.

I was listening from the dining room and walked into the LR to watch, and I was gripped in a way I hadn't been gripped by tv in a long time, if ever. It was real. And right. And rare. I was mesmerized and stirred. I felt what he said.

I don't know if it was just the genuine and raw emotion that KO exhibited tonight, or if it was something even more, but something moved. Something happened.

I know this is my third post in the thread, but I just finally got over some of my original speechlessness.

If you're reading this and didn't see Countdown earlier, watch the replay, please.

wow!

[wordpix2]

57. I saw it. Keith was serious about these lies, and pissed. He is recogni-

zing how truly dangerous these lying morons are. Also, maybehe sees Billo as I do---a paid arm of the RW wackos who will do ANYTHING to stay in power and that includes lying on the air.

Good thing Billo is losing his audience. Not many watch him anymore. :evilgrin:

[DemoTex]

61. I'll watch it again at 9AM tomorrow. I agree with you 100% Skip Intro.

Keith's display of outrage and indignation was a watershed event, IMHO. It was exactly what was needed and I hope to see it replayed many times, and oft. Listening to Keith is like listening to Gary Charles at the Central Presbyterian Church in Atlanta. The message is so exquisite that you don't want the sermon/lecture to end.

[Stinky The Clown]

63. You're spot on in your interpretation

KO was simply mesmerizing. Everything about it was perfect in that way some things are so perfect ... storms ..... accidents ..... disasters .... and indignation.

The expression on KO's face is what did it for me. His presence came out of the teevee and slapped me smack on top of the head. It was visceral and palpable. If he wasn't serious, then he should win a special Emmy for that acting. I've never been more convinced.

[TahitiNut]

75. I agree. I had his thesaurus out to write that one. He dialed it up to 11

He savored every adjective and adverb and showed genuine outrage rarely seen on the sNooze. It seemed like he was deliberately inviting Fox or O'Reilly to sue him so he could stuff the facts down their throats.

[leftchick]

58. Didn't Wes correct him?

either time? I can not imagine him not trying.

[capi888]

62. Nope he didn't....on purpose...

He knew the Clarkies, and DU'ers would jump on this. The look on Wes's face was that "I can't believe he is saying this", and if I confront him, he will go balistic. Watch the video , I posted in #59. You will see his expression. He knows BO is full of BS, especially since BO did it the first time. BO always tries to outsmart, outtalk, Wes. Not gonna happen! And Wes knows it! He lets him fall in the hole!!

[PublicWrath]

72. Last fall when he said it, Clark looked liked he couldn't quite believe

his ears and when he tried to protest, braying Bill just talked over him, and changed the subject, -you know how he operates. This time, you could tell Clark was giving him rope, his eyes were just glittering.
(On edit, I just re-watched the first instance, and I think had merged the two in my memory.)

[capi888]

59. Video up ...KO knockout.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/06/01.html#a8537

[chat_noir]

70. same stupidity and same Fox cover up Last October

http://mccarthy.vg/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/1523242

O'Reilly: General! You need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War Two, and the 82nd Airborne who did it!


Update: 10/04 22:03 GMT: As C&L points out, the Fox News Transcript of the show omits the final three words of O'Reilly's sentence:

O'REILLY: General, you need to look at the Malmedy massacre in World War II and the 82nd Airborne.

[PublicWrath]

73. Well, I'll be damned. Great catch. It makes me wonder how many other

transcripts they've 'edited' over the years.

[spuddonna]

71. Oh man, I started crying at the end there...

The intensity of Keith's righteous anger was a beautiful thing to behold...

I'm sending him a thank you right now... [email protected]

PS - I just noticed that the video is up on msnbc too. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677 You do need IE to view it, though...

[RagAss]

76. I'll have to tune in at midnight....

[opihimoimoi]

77. Bill be soon outta there...his time and ill gotten fame is UP...

He is losing his mind and his sense of History...sez things off the cuff LOLO at best.

Reveals a stupid ARROGANCE beyond description... KO did the job right...call it as it is///muy delisiosa

[lala_rawraw]

78. he made me cry, holy shite!!!

[Bake]

79. More than an ass-whuppin.

More important than just an ass-whuppin' or a beatdown.

This may well prove to be the first nuclear blast in a war to restore TRUTH to journalism. At least I hope so. Keith, usually rather "light" (but sharp) in his skewering of The Giant Head, went for the jugular. And found it. I've never seen him so righteously angry.

It was beautiful.

Bake

[LSK]

80. Ive never seen him like that before

He was really angry. And rightfully so.

[Alpharetta]

81. Olberman kicked his ass up and down the hall

O'Reilley was shown for the low-life he is.

[SiouxJ]

82. Faux needs to take that buffoon off the air already

enough is enough. I couldn't believe what I was watching last night (saw it on KO, not the phony news network). Thank you KO for showing that idiot for the incompetent liar he is. My jaw literally dropped. It was truly unbelievable even for O'lielly.

[silvershadow]

83. I love KO, and he really eviscerated O'Reilly

Hmmm...wonder if KO could be convinced to run for office?

[SeattleRob]

84. Go Keith!!!

Faux News is the Bushco PRAVDA!

[Tom Joad]

85. Account of what happened at Malmedy. US troops were victims.

http://www.historynet.com/wwii/blmassacreatmalmedy/
Really detailed account.

World War II: Massacre At Malmédy During the Battle of the Bulge
By carefully separating fact from fiction, a clearer picture emerges of the events surrounding the infamous execution of American POWs during the Battle of the Bulge.

By Michael Reynolds

The delightful Belgian town of Malmédy will forever be associated with the most infamous massacre of American troops in World War II. And yet, but for the presence of an Associated Press correspondent there in early January 1945, it is doubtful that this terrible incident would have ever achieved international notoriety. "Nazis Turned Machine Guns on GI POWs" wrote Hal Boyle in his January 1945 Stars and Stripes article, and from that first graphic account sprung a plethora of books and articles about the so-called Malmédy Massacre. Few of these accounts are based on fact, and most are embellished and inaccurate.