A case of misogyny? The death of Jasmine Fiore...

[bliss_eternal]

It is rare that I watch the news these days.
I don't consider it a coincidence, that I was watching the night a woman's body, stuffed within a bloody suitcase was found in an Orange County, California trash dumpster (specifically Buena Park). In horror, I've followed the story that's developed.

In light of the editorial I posted recently:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=341x14501

I'm sharing as many of the details surrounding this incident as I can find--and sharing it here.

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Murdered Model Identified by Breast Implants

By Mike Fleeman and Howard Breuer

Originally posted Friday August 21, 2009 06:50 PM EDT
Jasmine Fiore

Photo by: Ethan Miller / Getty

When Jasmine Fiore's body was found in a Dumpster in Buena Park, Calif., Aug. 15, her fingers had been cut off at the second knuckle and all of her teeth had been pulled out. But authorities were still able to identify the swimsuit model from the serial numbers on her breast implants.

"We actually have had several cases where we identified the victim or the defendant in that way," Orange County District Attorney spokeswoman Susan Schroeder tells PEOPLE. She says implants carry serial numbers "because of the potential for recalls."

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excerpt from:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20299883,00.html



International Manhunt: Jasmine Fiore Murder Details Revealed

The grieving family of model Jasmine Fiore stood by as Buena Park, CA police revealed details of her murder and the latest on the whereabouts of "Megan Wants a Millionaire" reality star Ryan Alexander Jenkins at a press conference this afternoon. Read on for the latest details…

Jenkins has been charged with the murder of his ex-wife Jasmine in the wake of her body being discovered in a suitcase left in a dumpster in Buena Park over the weekend. A $10 million warrant has been issued for his arrest.

Lt. Steve Holliday revealed to the press that the "fingers and teeth were removed" from the body, which was found stuffed in a large, blood-stained grey suitcase. He added that police are "looking into a motive right now" but cannot share that info at this time.

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excerpt from:
http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/08/77760/


Manhunt for Ryan Jenkins raises death penalty questions


By Randy Boswell, Canwest News ServiceAugust 21, 2009

The international manhunt for reality TV star Ryan Jenkins, a Calgary man suspected of killing and dismembering his ex-wife in San Diego before fleeing to Canada, could turn a spotlight on the Conservative government's views surrounding the death penalty.


If Jenkins is captured in Canada and faces extradition to California for murder in the death of swimwear model Jasmine Fiore, the Canadian government is obligated under a 2001 Supreme Court ruling to first seek assurances from the U.S. — except in "exceptional circumstances" — that he will not face the death penalty for his alleged crime if sent back across the border.


That means Jenkins' fate could turn on whether gruesome details released Thursday by U.S. authorities — that Fiore's teeth and fingers were removed by her killer, apparently to prevent her identification — constitute an "exceptional circumstance" allowing Canada to extradite Jenkins without obtaining a no-execution guarantee from California prosecutors.

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excerpt from:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/travel/Manhunt+Ryan+Jenkins+raises+death+penalty+questions/1916705/story.html


Suspect in model's murder found dead in Canada

(CNN) -- Ryan Alexander Jenkins, a reality TV contestant suspected in his wife's slaying, was found hanging from a coat rack in a motel room in an apparent suicide, according to Canadian officials.


An arrest warrant has been issued for Ryan Alexander Jenkins, wanted in the death of Jasmine Fiore.

1 of 2 Staff at a motel in Hope, British Columbia, found Jenkins dead, officials said.

"It was a man hanging by a belt from a coat rack," Kevin Walker, the manager of the budget Thunderbird Motel, told CNN affiliate CTV on Sunday.

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The body was identified Monday as Fiore. While the cause of death had not been confirmed, a preliminary coroner's report indicated she was strangled.

According to court records in Las Vegas, Nevada, Jenkins was charged in June with battery for allegedly striking Fiore in the arm with his fist.

And in 2007, Jenkins pleaded guilty in Calgary, Alberta, Canada to assault in a separate case. He was sentenced to 15 months probation, ordered to undergo counseling for domestic violence and sex addiction and to stay away from the person involved, according to court records.

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/08/23/california.model.death/index.html


Nevada's criminal complaint against Jenkins (PDF file):

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/20/vegas.dv.complaint.pdf


Canada's criminal complaint against Jenkins (PDF file):

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/20/jenkins.calgary.pdf

[ismnotwasm]

1. A misogyny recipe

Take an pretty girl and teach her that her primary value in her appearance and sex appeal. Teach her that it's some sort of primary 'empowerment' as well. (I had a conversation with a male friend a while back, I startled him when I told him that most male desire, to me, was NOT a fucking compliment. Outside my husband of course, who loves the human being I am before anything else) Take a twisted boy, and teach him that women are virgins and whores at the same time, and he gets to pick when. Shake up the mix with a dumb-ass reality show, and viola! Not only misogyny, but misogyny expressing itself in a horrible, horrible murder. I'm also horrified at the thoughts I have of what she had to suffer first.

Outside of the reality show part this recipe is all too common.

Now that proverbial expensive question is; how long will it take 'them' to blame the victim?

[bliss_eternal]

3. the reality show ....

...you mean the people who couldn't be bothered to fully check the background of the dudes on their show? a show where they were matching said dudes w/a woman (who probably trusts that she's NOT going to end up w/a serial abuser and potential killer.) :eyes:

http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/21/ryan-jenkins-jasmine-fiore-murder-murderer-megan-wants-a-millionaire-vh1-reality-show/

:puke:

[musette_sf]

2. of course it is a case of misogyny

and your post, and ism's follow up post, are both very good on this topic.

i was reading HuffPo this morning, there is an article by UK PM Gordon Brown and Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf: Taking Women's Rights Seriously.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gordon-brown/taking-womens-rights-seri_b_266578.html

a comment posted to the article captured my rage at worldwide misogyny quite well, and seems salient to the OP and ism's comment here:

"The sustained degradation and subjugation of girls and women remains the world's most pervasive human rights violation.... Yet, in supposedly civilised and enlightened times, girls and women around the world suffer unimaginable atrocities: forced marriage, rape, mutilation and death in pregnancy and childbirth."

Degradation and subjugation by whom? Suffered at the hands of whom? Forced into marriage by whom? Raped and mutilated by whom?

Why the passive voice?

You can't talk about the abuse women suffer without addressing who is perpetrating it - men. The patriarchal culture we live in is constructed by men, for the benefit of men. Certainly there are women who participate in the subjugation of women, but they do it because they're constricted by the culture - one built men to raise men up and put women down.

If you want to fix this problem - address men's behavior. It's not merely about empowering women. It's about changing the way men behave. ALL of them, not just "boys and men are persuaded to join our cause."

[bliss_eternal]

4. you're right...

...that is good. thanks so much for the link, musette.

[jmm]

5. For some men can never be responsible, they're driven to "it"

I can understand his father wanting proof and having a difficult time believing his son could've done this but the justification he uses for his son's behavior is a perfect example of how women are held accountable for the actions of men.

Jenkins' dad says son died terrified and alone

What Jenkins refuses to believe, despite Ryan’s past conviction in Calgary for domestic abuse, is that his son was the only villain in a relationship gone bad.

“A lot of these things were just silliness, like the charge in California,” said Jenkins.

Ryan was arrested on a charge of domestic violence earlier this year, after allegedly slugging Fiore in the arm.

Jenkins says his son only pushed his wife into a pool, after a squabble.

“He felt like it was a police state. People push each other in the pool every Saturday afternoon, and he goes to jail for two days — that’s ridiculous,” said Jenkins.

“He turns around and his wife’s kissing another guy and he grabs her hand and starts walking away, and they’re arguing and he just pushes her in the pool. Well, big deal.”

Jenkins said his son’s relationship with Fiore, and Hollywood in general, was toxic.

“He went to Hollywood and something down there in the last four months, including this girl, just destroyed him,” said Jenkins.

“She would take off for days at a time and lie, and Ryan was lonely and distraught and alone down there. She was his only friend and she’d just disappear.

“It was hell on earth — I advised him 50 times to get out of that relationship."

Then there are all the article such as this with headlines emphasizing she had been a playboy model and was communicating with her ex

Murdered playboy model Jasmine Fiore was texting former lover

Miss Fiore's short-lived husband and reality TV contestant Ryan Alexander Jenkins is wanted in connection with her death after her mutilated body was found stuffed in a suitcase.

But the Hollywood gossip website TMZ reported that she'd been texting ex-boyfriend Robert Hasman several times on Thursday evening and early Friday morning of last week.

And, in an eerie twist, it says that Hasman received a text message last Friday night from her phone, which said simply "suck it". It appears that message was sent long after Miss Fiore was dead.

Court records show that Mr Jenkins was charged in June in Clark County, Nevada, with a misdemeanour count of "domestic violence" when he was accused of hitting Miss Fiore on her arm.

Mr Jenkins was also charged with assaulting his girlfriend in July 2005 in Calgary and given a conditional discharge with 15 months probation.

This kind of speculation screams she was asking for it-

Jasmine Fiore Dated California Convict -- How Much Weirder Can This Tragedy Get

It seems this young woman in search of fame also left a trail of boyfriends, although police believe Jenkins alone is responsible for her gruesome murder. In addition to her ex-con boyfriend in San Diego, unearthed today by KFI, Fiore had sent several text messages to Robert Hasman, a former boyfriend in Las Vegas, asking to see him shortly before she vanished.

With all the media buzz over this case, it does make you pause to wonder if she was slain by a man who tried to own her. With a boyfriend just out of prison, and a former boyfriend still a friend in Las Vegas, was Fiore's other boyfriend Ryan Jenkins simply not going to allow her to move on in life?

[bliss_eternal]

6. reading the father's comments...

...made me nauseous. :( why do i think the apple didn't fall far from that tree? :eyes:

oh and forgive me, for not giving a shit, what-ever-the fuck his last moments were like.
they were far better than he deserved.

[iverglas]

7. I'm going to be lazy

and just paste excerpts from a post of mine in Guns in a discussion of whoever he was that murdered numerous women in a fitness gym a few weeks ago.

There's always talk of "depression" and being an excluded outsider and yada yada. Well, sometimes people are depressed and excluded for very good reason. They're assholes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=244827&mesg_id=245313

Being depressed and blaming other people for one's problems are not necessary corollaries, and in fact tend to be quite different things. And depression involves an absence of self-worth, not a feeling of entitlement. Blaming others and feeling entitled are much more classic indications of a personality disorder. Maybe in a person who isn't smart enough to get what they want by manipulating, an unsuccessful narcissist, depression follows.

... I think it's less likely in a middle-aged person, for depression to launch them into months of hateful thoughts and words, and plotting to kill -- and in this case, as in the case of Marc Lépine at the Montreal Polytechnique, for instance, to kill individuals who themselves have nothing to do with the person's problem, who merely represent the group he sees as the cause of his problems. Women.

Men kill women. Men harm women. They kill their intimate partners, they rape strangers, and some, like Lépine and Sodini, kill groups of strangers, because they are women.

This isn't a sign of depression. Depression doesn't cause misogyny. A personality that accepts no responsibility, that feels entitled, is a personality ripe for misogyny when it goes looking for an object of its need to blame and punish. Women are vulnerable targets. Women are already objectified in our society and the mind of the person in question. He is entitled to sex -- women are for sex. He can't get any. It's women's fault. Because nothing is his fault. Taking responsibility isn't an option, for someone like this. He gets miserable enough, what he needs is vengeance.

And there just is not sufficient evidence in this case that his actions stemmed from anything but his supreme narcissism and feelings of entitlement.

He doesn't talk about women he likes and can't succeed with, or about what a relationship would bring him that he's missing. He talks about wanting sex, and vilifies women who have sex with other men, and women in general.

<quoted from another poster> "When they endure years of being a social outcast they come to believe that there truly is something wrong with them and that they are, in fact, worthless."

It really is possible that they are just horrible people, and that's why nobody wants to be around them.


Aha! I just googled the term I coined up there, "unsuccessful narcissist". First up:

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/relationships/article2439812.ece

In therapy, Young tries to engage “the lonely shamed child” that he sees as the source of the pain for an individual with NPD. All of which is difficult to achieve, because even if a person agrees to treatment, Young points out dryly, he may walk out unless the therapist keeps telling him he’s simply the best; ordinary won’t do.

“A lot of people only come because they’ve been sent by desperate partners or bosses. Successful narcissists have something extra that means people tolerate their bad behaviour. The most dangerous is the unsuccessful narcissist. He doesn’t have money or power or charm, so he’s fired a lot of the time. He drives more and more people away, until he ends up alone and a very bleak person.”

In treatment, people diagnosed with NPD are divided into two groups. In one are “pure” or thick-skinned narcissists. They have often been extremely spoilt and indulged and given no boundaries as children. In the second group are thin-skinned narcissists, such as Vaknin, who have grown up feeling unloved and unlovable. Young says the former are almost impossible to help; the latter may respond to therapy. “If there’s no change in a year, the chances of success are low. The person with NPD will constantly try to prove he is superior to the therapist; that the professional knows nothing.”

However -- a more successful narcissist can also be a woman killer.

I'd suggest that what happens in those cases is that the narcissist has succeeded in getting what he thinks he's entitled to -- and then the thing he thinks he's entitled to exercises its own will, and thwarts him. The woman who was his possession, by right, divests him of herself.

And that just isn't permitted. Murder is the reassertion of entitlement, the regaining of self-love.

But oops, then he's an unsuccessful narcissist. Couple the failure with the foreseeable consequences of the act done to reassert the possession / to regain the self-love -- punishment for the murder committed -- and you get murder-suicide.

[supernova]

8. We've talked about this same thing in the Loners Group

Whenever one of these incidents happens, there's some goofy neighbor on the news saying "He was a loner.. just kept to himself. Never talked to nobody."

:wtf:

It's more likely that these people are "failed joiners," rather than true loners, those of us who happen to like spending large amounts of time in our own company.

I think an example of a successful narcissistic killer would be Ted Bundy. He was a killer who was able to have friends and hold down jobs, relative to others of his kind.

[iverglas]

9. true!

I'm a loner. A long time ago, I realized that I didnt actually want to hang out with the hordes of people who seemed to be hanging out together. ;)


Ted Bundy. He was a killer who was able to have friends and hold down jobs, relative to others of his kind.

Right - the true charming manipulater.

There's a fair bit of ground between narcissistic personality disorder and real psychopathy, but they look a lot the same in many ways.

And so many of them, successful or un, are misogynists to the bone. Entitled to have the women they want, when and how and where they want them.

Interesting things to think about. There's the underlying perfectly natural desire for sex and companionship - except that their desires aren't really "natural", not for sex and companionship, but for control and possession.

And there's how having the right woman earns social status and esteem, something they feel entitled to, and so having the right woman becomes necessary, not for companionship or even sex, but for the status and esteem it earns them.

All in all sorts of degrees and permutations, of course.


Apart from Marc Lépine (the one who killed 14 women at the Montréal Polytechnique, and injured as many more, almost all women), we have another classic here in Canada.

A leading case in reproductive rights, and a cause célèbre at the time, is Tremblay v. Daigle. Daigle got pregnant and realized she had to get away from the abusive Tremblay, and the only way she could be sure of doing that permanently was to terminate the pregnancy. He, with the backing of the usual anti-choice suspects, took his effort to prevent her from doing that all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada. That was in 1989.

http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/plocal/CTVNews/20050419/serial_abuser_050419/20050419/?hub=TorontoNewHome

Abuser may need an OK to date after release

CTV.ca News Staff

Jean Guy Tremblay may have to ask his parole officer for permission to become involved with another woman after he leaves prison in July <2005>.

Tremblay, who first made national headlines in 1989 when he sought to block his former girlfriend from having an abortion, goes before the National Parole Board on Wednesday to learn what restrictions he'll have to live under as a long-term offender for his serial abuse of women.

That designation was imposed in 2000 after a judge refused to declare Tremblay a dangerous offender, which would have kept him imprisoned indefinitely.

But Justice Scott Brooker of Court of Queen's Bench also acknowledged the harm Tremblay had caused his victims, and urged the parole board to impose strict limits prior to his release in order to protect other women.

Brooker said Tremblay, described by psychiatrists as a narcissist with little empathy who is at high risk of reoffending, should be banned from entering a relationship with a woman without the knowledge and consent of his parole officer.

Being a long-term offender will keep the former Montreal man under supervision for 10 years following his release in July.

Just think. If women started reporting abuse in the same droves as they are actually abused, a few more of these assholes might actually get dealt with before they kill somebody.

Maybe Jenkins hadn't escalated to violence more often than is known now, but I'd doubt that.

[femrap]

11. I'd never heard the term

'failed joiner.' Thanks. I never knew how to refer to such people. What do you call people who like to spend time with their pets/animals? Pet-enabled loner? That's me!

I'm not being disrespectful at all. I would rather spend time with my pet than 95% of the population.

:)

[bliss_eternal]

10. lol.--so true...!

Quote:
There's always talk of "depression" and being an excluded outsider and yada yada. Well, sometimes people are depressed and excluded for very good reason. They're assholes.

:spray::rofl:

when will people start to shed tears over the women these assholes victimize?