Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Violating relativity by breaking equivalence

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Science Donate to DU
 
n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:03 PM
Original message
Violating relativity by breaking equivalence
By Matt Ford

One of the tenets of Einstein's theory of general relativity is that an observer, carrying out local measurements, cannot determine if they are being accelerated in the absence of gravitational fields or stationary but in the vicinity of a large gravitational field. That is to say, if you are in a locked laboratory with no way to examine the outside, you could not tell if you were sitting on a beach on Earth, or in the back end of a spaceship speeding up at a rate of 32.2 feet per second per second. Some new thought experiments, however, suggest that the "simple" act of measuring temperature may throw this truism into turmoil.

There are a few caveats. First, the gravitational field cannot be so strong, or the reference frame so large, that tidal forces are present (a fancy way of saying that the gravitational field does not change over the range of the observable space). Second, you can only make a local measurement.

Einstein proposed the equivalence principle in 1907, a full nine years before his publication of general relativity. The idea, however, guided the development of general relativity. When combined with Einstein's theory of special relativity, it gave rise to the prediction that clocks will run at different speeds in gravitational fields with differing strengths, and that light would be bent by gravitational fields.

Numerous experiments, measuring all types of phenomena, have proven that the equivalence principle holds. However, a new thought experiment published in a recent version of Physical Review Letters demonstrates that, depending on how you measure temperature, a scientist in the sealed laboratory could tell where she is. On the surface, this result would seem to suggest that the equivalence principle it not valid under all conditions, but there is a wrinkle—the researchers here suggest making a local quantum mechanical measurement. The fact that quantum mechanics is an inherently non-local phenomenon may provide a way of cheating the prerequisites that Einstein put on his equivalence principle.

more
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/08/violating-relativity-by-breaking-equivalence.ars
Refresh | +2 Recommendations Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:04 PM
Response to Original message
1. You break it, you bought it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:13 PM
Response to Original message
2. Obviously this is over my head.
My first thought is that a temperature difference can be caused by all kinds of things, so how can you use it to make this differentiation? :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
dtexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-25-11 01:50 PM
Response to Original message
3. But if relativity is violated -- does that mean that inlaws are outlawed?
;-)

But thanks for the post and the link.
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DetlefK Donating Member (449 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-11 06:29 AM
Response to Original message
4. So, the curved spacetime of a Schwarzschild-metric has a different vacuum than the flat spacetime of
a Minkowski-metric. Your scales are shifted, and that's why you measure different temperatures.

Sweet!
Printer Friendly | Permalink | Reply | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 26th 2024, 12:13 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Science Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC