GLBT voters only - please - who are you strongly supporting who's running?

[Divine Discontent]

Poll question: GLBT voters only - please - who are you strongly supporting who's running?

Someone asked in one of the hot-n-heavy topics in GD-P who gay people are behind as a majority at this time. I have no clue, but knowing what DUers who are gay, lesbian, bi, or transgendered persons feel would be interesting.


So, if you don't mind saying, out of the candidates running, who are you strongly supportive of?

I will post the totals of anyone who votes, later --- so please don't click on a candidate if you're not GLBT

[BOSSHOG]

1. I'm not gay and did not vote in this poll

but I consider myself an ally of the gay community and am too stupid to think of such a great poll question. I look forward to its results as it will have an effect on my outlook. Although my primary vote is totally irrelevant since I live in Mississippi. Heard of any candidates coming to Mississippi wooing votes lately?

Oh and for your info there are no Gays in Mississippi just like there are no Gays in Iran.

[Divine Discontent]

6. oh bosshog, a twofer!

great humor! "any candidates coming to Mississippi wooing votes lately?"

"no Gays in Mississippi"

HA!


Voting as of right now - Edwards is up a vote on DK & HRC with Obama right behind them. I'll check back around 10pm, please everyone recommend it so we can get it in the greatest thread for more GLBT views.

[bigscott]

33. Hey Boss

voted for DK although if you listen to the MSM he has NO chance of getting the nomination. He truly believes in equality for all of us - not just in principle but in FACT. I live in Mass where, if I want, I can marry the man I love. I am not currently IN love but it is nice to have the option (which, to be honest, gays in Mass are beginning to take for granted).

Now if one of the others gets the nomination, lets say HRC, I will reluctantly pull the lever next to her name. She would be my 5th or 6th choice however. Even HRC beats anyone the Pukes are putting up!!

[yardwork]

43. Hi BOSSHOG. You are definitely an ally of all the many GLBTQ communities!

I support Dennis Kucinich, but like you, I'm not gonna have much input in the primary. North Carolina, well....

[MethuenProgressive]

45. I'm not gay, but GLBT issues are very important to me.

Perhaps you might open up the poll to people like me?

[terrya]

2. I voted in this poll.

Thank you for posting it. I saw that GD: Politics question and I was curious about that question (I have some feeling who it might be, but it's just that).

I'll be curious to find out the results. :-)

[TechBear_Seattle]

3. The one and only candidate who gives a rat's tail about full, equal inclusion

Dennis Kucinich.

[Divine Discontent]

5. even as I selected Edwards

I thought about how much I respect DK.

[freestyle]

4. I'm supporting Obama.

Even with all the uproar here concerning the gospel concerts in South Carolina, I am still supporting Barack Obama. I did not take the choice of entertainers with bad theology as a slap in the face. I think his statements and actions far outweigh that. I still see him as the best opportunity to get away from the entrenched political class that continues to bring our nation down.

[Sandaasu]

7. Interesting poll, thanks!

After the Obama debacle, I've fallen back on who was the close second for me, Edwards.

[bigwillq]

8. DK!

:bounce:

[Rowdyboy]

9. I'm still shifting between Edwards, Obama and Clinton.....

Obama is down quite a bit this week, understandably. Clinton has had a decent stretch, so I voted for her today. Ask me tomorrow and I might go with Edwards....or stay with Clinton....or consider Obama again if he can get beyond the anti-gay gospel singer. They are three exceptional candidates and its a hard decision.

[Smarmie Doofus]

10. I favor Edwards but I wouldn't describe myself....

... as "strongly supportive". So I didn't vote.

I hope this is helpful.

[Toasterlad]

11. I Don't Understand How Any Gay Person Could Not Find Kucinich the ONLY Choice.

All the rest of the candidates (except for Gravel, who seems truly batty) have paid us lip service, telling us they're on our side, and that they support us, and they promise nothing. Dennis is the only real candidate with the balls to come out for what's right: not just on this issue, but on so many others. I could never in good conscience vote for any candidate who considers me a second-class citizen, and that is what all the others have told me I am, pretty words notwithstanding. I have more self-respect than that.

[Sandaasu]

12. I have had feelings like that myself

Unfortunately, we could all back him, and he still wouldn't have a ghost of a chance. If I could just plop someone down in the WH though, it would be him.

Edwards sticks out for me though, among the likely winners, very much because of his wife. She's active in his campaign, and she's with us on marriage. Not only is that good for us in itself, but it makes we wonder if they have a "good cop, bad cop" like act going on there, and alter down the line, Edwards plans to flip, using convincing from his own wife as the reason.

[TechBear_Seattle]

14. "We could all back him, and he still wouldn't have a ghost of a chance"

So?

My vote is not a cheap trinket to be given away "just because." It is one of my most valuable posessions and I will bestow it only on those who EARN it. For me to do otherwise would be a gross betrayal of what it means to be an informed citizen in a democracy.

And at this moment, Kucinich is the only Democratic candidate who has earned my vote.

[Sandaasu]

15. It sucks, but it's practical.

While Kucinich would be great, he's considered loony even among Democrats. It's really sad because on the issues, he'd be the most agreeable to the large majority of us.

I guess I'm just pragmatic enough to put my vote behind the candidate that has a substantial chance of winning. I did for a while put all of my support behind Kucinich, in hopes that he could break through this time, but it just doesn't look like it's going to happen still.

Not everyone's like that, and that's fine with me. It's just a different way of thinking.

[Toasterlad]

17. If Everyone Who Said They Would Vote for Kucinch But He's Not Electable...

...would VOTE for Kucinich, he'd win in a landslide.

[bigscott]

34. BINGO

vote for DK in the primaries if you think he would make the best candidate. If he is not the nominee then vote for the nominee in the general. I am so sick and tired of people thinking their vote does not count - VOTE! and VOTE FOR DK!!

[Toasterlad]

16. I Could Have Supported Edwards Until His Wife Made Her Announcement.

The whole "I disagree with John on gay marriage" smacks of shameless political chicanery. Edwards is trying to have his cake and eat it, too. "I'm still struggling with the idea of gay marriage, but Elizabeth is all for it, so maybe she can change my mind!"

Well, I was struggling with who to vote for, John. Thanks for helping me decide on a candidate with some balls.

[Sandaasu]

18. It's goofy, yes, and is the kind of thing I won't normally condone.

If it helps us to sneak in a pro-marriage president, I can live with it.

[sniffa]

21. why not dodd?

after DK and graveL, he's the most openLy, GLBT supporter.

[Sandaasu]

22. Dodd's fine with me

I'm a little unhappy that he didn't get to the HRC/Logo forum, but it's not something I'll really hold against him. In any case though, I haven't seen anything from him that separates him from the pack when it comes to our issues.

Unfortunately, that likely has much to do with seeing little from him in general.

[sniffa]

24. unLess they had more than one Logo debate, he was there

unLess i imagined that. :shrug:

[NMMNG]

13. I agree

He's the best on all of the issues IMO. I don't get why so few agree. :shrug:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. he wont win? and so the rest of us have a back up realistic choice?

[Zuiderelle]

28. Ditto.

Just not going to happen. I'll be voting for Hillary.

[Toasterlad]

40. See Post #16.

It's either Kucinich or business as usual.

[Not Me]

27. Ditto.

DK is right on so many issues. I intend to fully support and vote for him in the primaries. If he does well, GREAT. If not, I will have registered my support for his agenda.

[Divine Discontent]

19. As of 10:00pm 26 votes, Kucinich with nearly half, Clinton 2nd, Edwards 3rd

Hillary Clinton (7 votes, 27%)
Barack Obama (2 votes, 8%)
John Edwards (5 votes, 19%)
Bill Richardson (0 votes, 0%)
Joseph Biden (0 votes, 0%)
Chris Dodd (0 votes, 0%)
Dennis Kucinich (12 votes, 46%)

Please recommend the thread so more votes will get made by GLBT folks so we can get an even clear pic, but obviously, Rep. Kucinich fairs very well.

[sniffa]

20. how can GLBT members get behind hiLLary?

i don't get it. i aLso don't get how she's become an icon in some segments. :puke:

she's no aLLy.

[Sandaasu]

23. I've been a bit puzzled about this myself

For example, she was terribly slow to oppose DOMA fully.

[sniffa]

25. sLow? more Like stationary.

is she going to push to repeaL it? no.

is she going to attend fundraisers with outspoken homophobes? yep.

[GodlessBiker]

29. I think many who support her think she is a stealth candidate.

She "can't" say what she really believes in order to get elected, but she will do good things once she is in.

[sniffa]

30. but that's such a crock of shit

it's wishfuL thinking at best.

the onLy bone she's even thrown, is support for ending, DADT, which even some shitbag repubLicans support. nice safe stance to take. such boLd Leadership.

[GodlessBiker]

32. I agree. It is wishful thinking, and a bit of denial.

[galledgoblin]

31. Obama, still

I absolutely hate the idea of voting for HRC in November '08, so I can't consider voting for someone who holds only the fringe vote. of the main three, Obama best represents my views and beliefs. I would be euphoric if Obama and Edwards partnered up.

of course, I'm offended by this McClurkin mess, but hey, I'm more swayed by a long series of little mistakes than by one big one, plus we need to stop warring with our fellow Americans and start working on the big crises. eventually those scared and hateful of change will come around as more and more people they know personally start being honest about their sexuality... or, at the very least, their kids will recognize that their parents are wrong on this issue.

sexual and gender civil rights need to come from our peers, not the politicians. we just need to keep pushing.

[slipslidingaway]

35. Discrimination Against Any Member Of The LGBT Community Is

Un-American


Did not vote in your poll, but thought I would post this recent action and statement by Kucinich for consideration.


http://kucinich.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=76608

"Washington, Oct 18 - Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), the only Member of Congress from the state of Ohio on the Education and Labor Committee, spoke out against the Employee Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), that was voted on in committee today. Kucinich voted against the bill in committee to object to the exclusion of the transgendered community from the legislation.


“The Declaration of Independence says:

‘We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by
their creator with certain inalienable rights that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness.’

“When you listen to these words, when they said men at that time, we know today that it doesn't just mean men. We know that it doesn’t just mean white people. We know that it doesn't just mean straight people. That it means all people.

“And so today when we’re confronted with this legislation, we should be mindful that discrimination of any kind is un-American and should not be tolerated. I stand with the principles of the LGBT community to defend against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

“Harassment, intimidation and discrimination of anyone in the workplace is unconscionable and it is un-American. All employment decisions should be based on individual performance and not on sexual orientation, perceived gender or transgendered status.

“So we have to stand firm, I believe, with all Americans in recognition that discrimination against any member of the LGBT community is discrimination against the entire community. Presentation or expression of oneself in everyday life is a fundamental human right.”

Print version of this document

[Divine Discontent]

36. excellent words by a great man

Update on the voting by 'GLBT only' DUers ---

1 day after voting started -

Hillary Clinton (12 votes, 26%)
Barack Obama (2 votes, 4%)
John Edwards (9 votes, 20%)
Bill Richardson (0 votes, 0%)
Joseph Biden (0 votes, 0%)
Chris Dodd (0 votes, 0%)
Dennis Kucinich (23 votes, 50%)



I notice that with over 40 votes on DU, that Bill doesn't even poll, and Barack has slipped to somewhere around 5% or so. Edwards support is around where he's at in Iowa, Hillary is less than national polling because of the vast support Dennis gets from our community, for obvious reasons.

I think it's safe to assume Dennis' strong support, and outright support of that, has many of you hopeful for him to the point of voting for him despite the 2% or less status nationally. I think John's wife has helped his heart in opening up and not being so scared of gay people over the years, like many straight men are, and that he will be a solid supporter for our civil rights. I think offering full rights (medical, death benefit, financial, etc) should be a priority, and making civil unions permitted for all is a great step forward. I wish I could just plop someone like Gore, Kucinich or Clark into the Oval Office for 8 years. But, unfortunately, this is politics, and 2 of them aren't running, & possibly a 1/4 or more of Democratic voters don't know the 3rd one is running and those who don't know DK is running, probably think Gore is!

[foxeyes2]

37. None Of The Above

I am not sold on any of them and so did not vote. During the general election I may vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is as the lesser of the two evils but it will pain me to do so. It is way past time for the Democratic Party to support GLBT issues fully and to take us seriously. If they can't I do not know how many more times I can cast my ballot for them.

[Toasterlad]

39. Dennis Couldn't Get More Behind GLBT Issues If He Were Fucking My Ass.

You have the candidate you wanted. Vote for him.

[Sandaasu]

41. Yep

Dennis has been pretty much a bobble-head when it comes to what we want. Gravel as well.

[TechBear_Seattle]

46. Disturbingly graphic, but well put

So to speak.

:toast:

[mikelgb]

38. voted Dennis

[Name removed]

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[Divine Discontent]

44. early thur. morning total

Hillary Clinton (13 votes, 21%)
Barack Obama (3 votes, 5%)
John Edwards (12 votes, 20%)
Dennis Kucinich (33 votes, 54%)

[Laughing Mirror]

47. Kucinich, of course

And what an unusual feeling it is to be in the majority in a poll.

[Divine Discontent]

48. you win the award for best post of the thread

that was cute... I'm sure you don't know what to think! lol... Dennis wins! Much like Carter, he's a softer, more compassionate man than most anyone (to be fair), if not everyone, running.

Final count of the GLBT who voted this week -

Hillary Clinton (15 votes, 21%)
Barack Obama (4 votes, 6%)
John Edwards (12 votes, 17%)
Bill Richardson (0 votes, 0%)
Joseph Biden (0 votes, 0%)
Chris Dodd (0 votes, 0%)
Dennis Kucinich (39 votes, 56%)

I think it's safe to say, Sen. Obama was hurt by about 5-10 votes (15-20% of GLBT) by his not asking Donnie to not show up.

Hillary remains strong though far below her national #'s, Edwards did fairly well, but Dennis is the favorite of GLBT people on DU it appears.

[Jella]

49. enjoyed reading the posts

and before I read them I clicked for DK. While disgusted with the dem party in general, he and a few others keep me in the fold.