Clinton would have signed the so-called 'Partial Birth Abortion' bill

[rockydem]

if it had protections for the life and health of the mother...

Reasonable, heh?

[BayCityProgressive]

1. That

was the position of almost every Democrat.

[ET Awful]

2. And Kerry would have voted for it if it had protections for

the life and health of the mother. He said as much several times.

[TaleWgnDg]

5. No, John F. Kerry would NOT have signed the bill as passed

by congress if it had a loop-hole for health and safety protections of the mother . . . because, it, too, would have been ruled unconstitutional. Kerry is a lawyer. Kerry is an ex-prosecutor. And Kerry knows this.



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[TaleWgnDg]

3. No, Clinton would not have signed

the so-called "partial birth abortion bill" if it had protections for the life and health of the mother. And if he had signed it, it would have been ruled unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court as well.

BTW, you are still trying? Still trying to push anti-abortion crap? Yup. You are.


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[RUDUing2]

13. Clinton said he would sign it if it had provisions for the health of the

mother and fetus (he even specified what constituted health)and the Supreme Court would rule it constitutional with those provisions. Thing is those provisions are already in place through state laws in most if not all states in the US.

[DaveinMD]

4. health of the mother is an important exception

because it also included mental health, which is extremely important.

[TaleWgnDg]

6. Okay, 101 on Constitutional Law . . .

The so-called "partial-birth abortion bill" was written in an ambiguous manner. The proposed bill would have covered a wide-variety of medical procedures, more than the common title of the bill inferred. And, the law would have covered women in all three trimesters of pregnancy. It was meant to be worded in that manner so that Roe v. Wade could be "back-doored" closed down. It was not merely about the non-inclusion of an exception for the health and safety of the mother . . . so in essence, Clinton would never have signed it and did not sign it. He vetoed it. As well as Kerry would never sign it into law for the very same reasons. It's unconstitutional for a variety of legal reasons. Hey, I usually charge by the hour . . .




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edited to add: And what the hell is the OP trying to do? Demonstrate his complete and utter ignorance about the law re Roe v. Wade? Because that's what s/he's been doing for the last 5 or so postings, repeatingly Roe stuff, over and over and over again!!! Trying it this way, then that way, then back to this way . . . never assimilating others postings.


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[rfkrfk]

12. Who decides, if the 'health of the woman' exception, applies ?

Who decides, if the exception, applies in an individual
situation.
the woman?, some person with a MD/DO ?, group
of people with MD/DOs {chosen how, elected?}?
federal/state judges, some 'federal' bunch of people{chosen how}?,
some 'state' bunch of people ?
dice roll?, paper-scissors-rock?,
some 'experts' {chosen how?},.
Does the 'it' get a defence attorney?

[HockeyMom]

14. D & X

The procedure is called a D & X. There is no such thing as a "partial BIRTH" abortion. They have coined that phrase to not only inflame but MISINFORM. The term BIRTH in this is to make the public think that this is an 8 or 9 month fetus, ABOUT TO BE BORN. The D & X procedure is done even at 13 weeks. READY TO BE BORN? The bill bans this procedure at 21 WEEKS. That is LATE term? Does the public know this? All the posters I have seen keep talking about 8 or 9 month fetuses? Hello? More LIES and DECEIT from Bush and his Fundie Friends. Just like that Connor Peterson bill - from CONCEPTION on? GIMME A BREAK. All is just meant to END ABORTION, one chip at a time until there is nothing left. That is the real movtive in all this.

The problem with the American people is that they don't READ these bills. THAT is where the Right Wing Religious Extremists are winning.

[Jackie97]

7. I knew that.

Why do people keep thinking that Clinton is the champion of women's rights?

[iverglas]

8. little things

"the life and health of the mother..."

Some pregnant women are mothers. Some are not. Some women who want/need abortions are mothers. Some are not.

One must therefore wonder why some people insist on referring to *all* pregnant WOMEN, and all WOMEN whose wish/need for an abortion is for some unknown reason a matter of public interest, as "mothers".

[REP]

9. Easy: Woman = Mother; Biology is Destiny

Same reasoning that assumes that if financial obstacles were removed, every pregnancy would be a wanted pregnancy. It never occurs to some that some women do not want to be mothers.

[iverglas]

10. too charitable

pregnant woman = mother
blastocyst/zygote/embryo/fetus = child (son, daughter, human being, person ... entity with rights ...)

Seeketh always the agenda behind the lingo, sez I!

[SlackJawedYokel]

11. Heard on NPR just this week

that some large American newspaper changed its style sheet so that fetuses are now referred to as "unborn children".
It was on that very program that I was introduced to the architect behind the anti-choice propaganda movement, one Robert Powell.

Seems we're losing the war of words here in the US.

Cletus