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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:37 PM Original message |
When one refers to "choice", does it means womens choice only? |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. it is HER body, first, last and always. if he doesn't want any part of it |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Not possible! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. No, |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. How is it different? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Thats an interesting take! |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
121. Thanks. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. It's not about the parents at that point |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. But I think youre wrong, it is about the parents! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Blame biology |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. You hit it on the head! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Fucking please |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Can you say "tangent?" |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Okay, how do you want it to work then? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Seems like a double edged sword to me. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Doesn't sound fair to the kid |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. OMG!!!! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. But you just said that a guy should be able to "opt out" and decline |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. True |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. The child should not do without on the basis of either parent's decisions |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. OK, let me get this straight. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Yes. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. But what about your responsibility? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. The responsibility is to the kid |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. One last try.... |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. No, that's not the height of responsibility |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Yes. As you pointed out earlier, it takes two. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-09-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #45 |
136. And THAT is where your only choice came in |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. No. You are only damned if you refuse to acknowledge that the |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Really? You promise? |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Then the daddy is an imature ass. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:40 AM Response to Reply #39 |
108. How about condoms? |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
275. FAIR TO WHOM? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:54 AM Response to Reply #32 |
218. So this is about revenge then |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 05:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
151. Just as soon as men grow uteruses, and |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
274. Life ain't fair. Try birth control next time. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. Because paying to support a child doesn't threaten the life |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
122. Your comparison is false. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-09-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #122 |
139. quite the ass-umption there |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #122 |
197. your point? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-09-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #14 |
138. interesting ... but totally specious |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 08:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
272. Deleted message |
Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-12-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #272 |
273. self delete, replied then the post was deleted n/t |
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BlueStorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Well, the woman is carrying the baby... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Youre right, but you only repeated what I said. |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. Tough tiddlewinks! That same decision will affect her the rest of |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
145. okay, this is a starting point... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
4. Can a woman decide whether you take viagra? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. What on earth does THAT have to do with anything? |
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Tanuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. Is your point |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. No, not at all. |
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atreides1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
28. The man should follow the Boy Scout motto |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Agreed |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 07:15 AM Response to Reply #30 |
85. Exactly my point |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #85 |
220. So your solution is... |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. If a man isn't ready to become a dad, he should do what women |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. There was a really long flamewar about this ages ago. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Nah, I think he is wrong. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Did you schedule your vasectomy yet? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Again, I think we are talking apples and oranges. |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. And no matter what the woman decides, if she carries the child it gets |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. And your point is? |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. It's a function of biology |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. puLEASE!!! |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Good luck with that. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Deleted message |
LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Like hell I do. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:32 AM Response to Reply #33 |
148. you want to talk about... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 04:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
150. For the sake of our human gene pool, |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 11:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
132. Then you should be working your ass off to get male hormonal birth control |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #132 |
191. Yes! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 01:35 AM Response to Reply #16 |
196. What kind of answer do you want? |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
10. Dude, if you don't want to be a daddy you have 3 options |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. HAHAHA!! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Another option: have non-vaginal sex |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 11:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
129. "The cards are stacked against men" |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:50 AM Response to Reply #18 |
149. how about letting a girl/woman get to know you first? |
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fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #149 |
168. Quan, you are very wise. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 02:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
182. sort-of a good point. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
11. You have a good point, but |
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badgerpup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
13. Very thought-provoking question. |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
20. Woman's body, woman's choice. Very simple. |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. That mentality is the problem! |
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OhioNerd (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #25 |
49. Kent, you're right. It's monumentally unfair. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:11 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. and yet, |
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OhioNerd (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:16 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. I cannot be held responsible for your misreading. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:22 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. REad your post again |
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OhioNerd (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. No... I don't think I will EVER see your point, because... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Well, if it is unfair |
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OhioNerd (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 06:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. You're going to give me the benefit of the doubt? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 07:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. You are not going to tell me what you think is the man's responsibility |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 05:34 AM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Deleted message |
CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 07:04 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Here are your words |
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OhioNerd (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 02:54 PM Response to Reply #84 |
94. I don't know what your problem is and I don't care. We're done. (n/t) |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 03:10 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. OH no!!! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 09:49 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. Deleted message |
Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
206. Thank you, CTyankee, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 02:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
204. Dude, I know...life ISN'T always fair. |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
62. Oh Grow up! |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Yeppers!!!! |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. When you are party to creating a new life, inadvertantly or not, |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
77. Hey, I love it! |
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kahleefornia (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
37. thinking like a lawyer... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Hmmm, interesting! |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. When I taught Product Liability, I used that scenario in a final exam . |
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kahleefornia (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
78. "wildlife" statistics |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
38. Reading your responses to everyone who answered your question |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Cause I wanted to discuss my views. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
56. body vs. checkbook |
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Divernan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. You & your well-reasoned answer are welcomed to DU! |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 09:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
103. Thanks! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #56 |
193. I Love your post! |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
74. I think it depends on the situation... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Why? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. My rationale is... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 06:51 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. But the reality is that procreation "happens" even when you |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 07:48 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Your argument is the abstinence only position... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 09:20 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Interesting. I like it! |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. That is what women have been saying... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Sex is sex. Casual or non casual |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 03:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Its called risk management |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #98 |
110. Not the only option (and I think you know it but just aren't facing it) |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. Not at all. I used to work for Planned Parenthood |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Birth control is the first choice... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 03:21 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Exactly! |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #92 |
99. Casual sex is casual sex. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:12 AM Response to Reply #99 |
147. No, I'm not sure |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
109. Good Lordie what am I reading?! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 03:30 AM Response to Reply #83 |
183. This is true. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:21 AM Response to Reply #80 |
106. Yes. And...... |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-01-06 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
81. He is a lobbyist, she is the senator |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
89. Yes, to be clear: "choice" means only women's choice |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. No, no one has to "win" |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 11:02 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. That's why I put it in quotes. When 2 people disagree, one person's |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #90 |
194. That's very brilliant, that bit about .... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #89 |
107. oh, what-ever. |
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free_spirit82 (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
100. Sounds like you should lobby for more male contraception... |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. But thats my point! |
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free_spirit82 (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #102 |
119. It's impossible for it to be equal in the way that you want it to be... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:47 AM Response to Reply #100 |
112. Don't you think that if men REALLY wanted more forms of contraception |
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free_spirit82 (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #112 |
120. Indeed. n/t |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #112 |
123. It has and is being vigorously pursued. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #123 |
130. My goodness, did I say all that? |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #112 |
125. If there were male contraception, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
101. Just Say No to sex with pro-lifers! |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-02-06 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
105. Choice does not mean exclusively women's choice |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 07:41 AM Response to Reply #105 |
111. Your point is about choice for one's own body |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #111 |
115. I think that we are in more agreement than you think! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. In this forum, which is liberal democratic, I suspect the choice issue |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. True, true and true |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #105 |
114. Yes, but...... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
113. It means *reproductive* choice |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. And thats the problem |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Answer to #115 |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. But you still dont answer my question. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. Answer to why he is still accountable? |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-09-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #126 |
137. I've read through this thread. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-03-06 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
128. I know I'll get flammed by the women DUers for saying this, but... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-04-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. No, the point is not that the "women get child support" |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #131 |
153. But completely different legal standards |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 04:32 AM Response to Reply #153 |
208. Once again, craichhead |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 07:07 AM Response to Reply #131 |
210. Actually women do get child support |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-05-06 12:14 AM Response to Original message |
133. Hey, OP |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-08-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Insightful? |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:22 AM Response to Reply #135 |
143. Yes, my posts are extremely insightful, and yes, they dealt with your OP |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 03:00 AM Response to Reply #143 |
146. However...... |
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jerry611 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-08-06 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
134. It does take two to tango |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
140. Sounds to me like you're proposing that women's decision on whether |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Thank you. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:13 AM Response to Reply #140 |
144. Hoooray for what you wrote! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 09:51 AM Response to Reply #140 |
200. Deleted message |
musical_soul (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-11-06 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
142. I am all for a man's choice... |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
152. A couple of points being missed, I think |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 06:28 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. A couple of non-flaming thoughts on your post. |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 07:52 AM Response to Reply #155 |
161. The link you asked for and other thoughts. |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #161 |
173. That is a lot a numbers. The real question is not just the numbers. |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 08:09 AM Response to Reply #155 |
162. Your turn |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #162 |
172. Safe Haven Laws in the US |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. You misunderstand me |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 04:03 AM Response to Reply #175 |
207. You wrote..... |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
154. An alternative not considered |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #154 |
156. Fatherhood is a social invention? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 08:15 AM Response to Reply #156 |
163. Deleted message |
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171. Deleted message |
Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #154 |
180. Yes, I think you have a good point. |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 09:54 AM Response to Reply #180 |
187. Hey common ground! |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #187 |
192. Sure. Come back in 5 or 10 or 15 years, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 01:39 AM Response to Reply #187 |
203. Sorry, that was mean of me. |
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emal2me (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
157. Yep |
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emal2me (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-12-06 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
158. Can you help |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #158 |
159. Welcome to DU |
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emal2me (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-13-06 10:07 PM Response to Reply #159 |
160. Good Idea |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 08:17 AM Response to Reply #160 |
164. I you're looking for horror stories.... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 02:12 AM Response to Reply #158 |
181. Sorry to burst your bubble |
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emal2me (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #181 |
211. I know |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
165. Well yes he should have thought of the possibility. As a man I say that |
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fudge stripe cookays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #165 |
177. It appears that... |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:19 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. This thread has made me very sad. |
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IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
166. How about this for a fair compromise? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:02 PM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Ingenious!!! Anti-pregnancy insurance. |
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IdaBriggs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:19 PM Response to Reply #167 |
169. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! We'll be back tomorrow night! |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #166 |
170. God, this is funny, Ida. You da bomb. |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #166 |
174. I know a few who I should enroll in your insurance policy NOW! |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
176. Maybe another question to ask |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 09:00 AM Response to Reply #176 |
185. He has parental rights - same as the mother. As long as he exercises |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 09:45 AM Response to Reply #185 |
186. The Same? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 09:55 AM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Parental rights are not the same as custody rights. Custody is determined |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #188 |
189. Please clarify |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #189 |
190. A parent has the right to maintain contact with their underage child, |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 01:20 AM Response to Reply #186 |
195. So, you know this? I'm calling your bluff. |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-17-06 09:45 AM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Why not... |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 02:28 AM Response to Reply #198 |
205. No... |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-20-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #205 |
209. well it depends on what you mean |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
178. There is this thingie called a 'CONDOM' |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 08:57 AM Response to Reply #178 |
184. Not to mention this thingie called a ZIPPER. Another time when a man |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #184 |
201. Deleted message |
InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #184 |
219. What's the big fight over choice then?? |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. Yes because women who are raped have that option. eom |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. Well then |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-18-06 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
199. The only compromise I can see.... |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #199 |
243. HAH! |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #243 |
251. Interesting hypothesis |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-19-06 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
202. is there a "choice" for a man in the relationship |
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emal2me (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #202 |
212. Ultimately |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
213. Hypothetical situation |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 09:34 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. We could do random hypotheticals until our fingers are bloody from typing. |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #214 |
215. I'd appreciate an answer |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #215 |
216. To be perfectly honest, at 215 posts in this thread, the answer has been |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. Fitting. |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #217 |
221. No one is refusing to entertain ideas. |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #221 |
230. Women wouldn't be giving up anything |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:38 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. In response. |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #233 |
234. As I said earlier |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #234 |
235. Yes. It is unfortunate that men are having a hard time reaching equality. |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #235 |
236. In this specific circumstance |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 06:12 PM Response to Reply #236 |
237. Someday, you, too, shall overcome. |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 06:19 PM Response to Reply #237 |
238. The boogieman argument again |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 09:03 PM Response to Reply #230 |
244. Wrong. Women would be giving up the right to raise their children |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #244 |
245. Not exactly |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #245 |
247. and if she does want to have the child? doesn't believe in abortion, |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #247 |
250. Then she raises it |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #250 |
252. with support from the father. n/t |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 04:29 AM Response to Reply #252 |
254. No |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 06:58 AM Response to Reply #254 |
255. So the child suffers, the father gets to abdicate his responsibilities |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 08:39 AM Response to Reply #255 |
256. Is it in the child's best interests... |
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WildClarySage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 10:00 AM Response to Reply #256 |
257. to demand payment- yes |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 10:34 AM Response to Reply #257 |
258. It doesn't |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #258 |
259. That's absolutely ridiculous |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-24-06 12:20 PM Response to Reply #259 |
260. Yes it is |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #217 |
223. nowhere did I say all women do this--you sure did... |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #223 |
229. Well, I meant some women |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 12:48 PM Response to Reply #215 |
222. yeah, no man has ever, ever, ever lied to a woman about love or sex.... |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #215 |
224. It is also a fact that women have been deceived by men and paid |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #224 |
231. Women have a way out |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #231 |
239. If she is personally against abortion? then they're both fucked I guess |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #239 |
240. Bitter?? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #240 |
242. Bitter?? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #242 |
246. What else can I take?? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #246 |
248. this post makes no sense. n/t |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #213 |
226. I really wonder how big an ego it takes to imagine a woman |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #226 |
232. It's a hypothetical situation |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #232 |
277. you bet your sweet ass it's hypothetical. Those little suckers don't |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:03 PM Original message |
Oh, and about failed condoms... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
227. Oh, and about failed condoms... |
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AllieB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #227 |
241. Great post. |
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liontamer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
249. choice refers to the right to control your own body |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
253. I don't think men should be able to sign away responsibility |
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NTL714 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
261. woman has the ultimate decision |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-26-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #261 |
262. Because it affects him |
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NTL714 (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #262 |
263. how? |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 11:18 AM Response to Reply #263 |
264. Very Simple |
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American Tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #264 |
265. No, I believe what she is suggesting |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. In that case |
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craichead (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-27-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #263 |
267. IMO One step behind |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-20-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #267 |
276. You can't legislate wisdom |
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AutumnMist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-03-06 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
268. Honestly? |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
269. if a man cares what a woman will do with a possible pregnancy.... |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-09-06 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
270. Lot's of the "Punishment for Sex" attitude I'm hearing. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-10-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #270 |
271. many women are unwilling to have abortions under any circumstances. |
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droidamus2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-31-06 10:06 PM Response to Original message |
278. Contract? |
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