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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:24 PM
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a "lively experiment" for December 11th
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 03:18 PM by stellanoir
I’m posting this in hopes of encouraging maximum participation in a "lively experiment" on December 11th at 7:26 pm Greenwich Mean Time (2:26 pm EST). For a myriad of reasons*, drawing from historical events and from various cosmologies, that particular moment is quite auspicious.

Participation in this experiment only requires a moment or two. That is long enough to read and or say the affirmation, do a brief visualization, and do some really simple geomancing. Some may be guided to sustain their focus for a longer span of time preceding and or following those moments with any rituals they feel are restorative for themselves and by extension, for our planetary whole.

Consider this to be clarion call for enlightenment of our collective consciousness

Einstein once said‚ ” The problems that face us cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them. What we need is a shift in consciousness.”

Many concur that our current global conundrum cannot be remedied by conventionally traditional or linear means exclusively.

“The sickness of our culture could be rooted in that sad fact that we have collectively severed our direct contact with spirit.”**

Ever since I read some possibly spurious speculation by astrophysicists in a pseudo scientific journal many, moons ago, that the primary chemical component at the center of the galaxy may indeed be NO2: laughing gas, I decided that “humor is my religion.”

I’ve also referred to the primary creative force as “the Creatrix” because it’s generally presumed to be non gender specific, is playful, and not at all associated with any onerously antiquated dogma whatsoever.

Anyone can access this spiritual source if only they can only laugh and inspire laughter in others. I've often thought that if we all just learned a good joke in every language, we could arrive finally at a place of a lasting world peace.

Here are some gentle suggestions for consideration for jump starting one's connection to the invisible realms on December 11th at the time of this potentially event. . .

Consider taking a quantum leap into the realm of what is possible at this rare and potentially soon to be treasured time despite all onerously disheartening appearances.

Here is a collective affirmation. . .feel free to alter, amend, or edit it as you feel is appropriate.

“Invoking great redemptive energy and calling upon the essence of the fire, the earth, the air, the water (you can even add ether if you do so desire), and calling upon the forces of universal love, we are creating with spirit, great planetary mendings, manifesting in each, and all of our lives.

We are creating with spirit, a collective evolutionary leap in consciousness, conscientiousness, and clarity.

We are creating with spirit, that all those who are open to it, experience a paradigm shift in their awareness, gain greater enlightenment and discernment in their perceptions.

We are creating with spirit, that we are becoming ever more reverential to our world.

We are creating with spirit, that many develop clearer access to their inherent strength and wisdom in their spirits and souls to effect progressive change, and responsible stewardship of our planet.

"We are releasing the collective systems, restrictions, and blockages, that have kept us largely in a state of unconsciousness."

We are creating with spirit, the manifestation of leadership representative of the many rather than the few.

We are creating with spirit, greater harmony, tolerance, expressions of true compassion and kindness.

We are creating with spirit, honesty and integrity in our media.

We are creating with spirit, the widespread manifestation of a spiritual humanism that transcends all dogma, and increased collective mindfulness of the interconnectedness and unity of our global human family.

We are creating with spirit, celebration of more authentic lives reflective of our highest principles and potentials.

We are affirming with spirit that there is far more that is shared within the human family than that which divides whilst simultaneously, celebrating our wondrous diversity.

We are creating with spirit, that deceit be eclipsed by truth, that corruption be eclipsed by true justice, "that tyranny be eclipsed by freedom,"***that bigotry be eclipsed by understanding, that bellicosity be eclipsed by diplomacy, that militarism be eclipsed by environmentalism, that terrorism be eclipsed by humanism, that greed be eclipsed by generosity, that righteousness be eclipsed by kindness, that war be eclipsed by peace, and that fear and hatred be eclipsed by universal love.

We are creating with spirit, a sea change in the seemingly ever widening divide that separates those who have and those who have not, will become increasingly narrowed and equalized through a wave of generosity bathing our sphere.

We are centering and purifying our wills aligning them with our highest potentials.

We are embodying greater equality, justice, and balance for all.

We are creating with spirit, a lasting peace on earth.”

An addendum for those who are more domestically politically oriented. . .

“We are creating with spirit, restoration of the following: the rule of law, habeas corpus, our civil liberties, the fairness doctrine, the 1st & 4th amendments, transparency, verifiability, and accountability in our elections and in our governance, truly representative leadership, and checks and balances.”

Though it transcends logic, many in the spiritual community feel that if enough people focus on a shared intent simultaneously, we will experience global ameliorations very quickly.

After luckily experiencing an epiphany of sorts during the International Global Peace Meditation on October 29th, 2005 at my friendly neighborhood local power spot, I crafted a piece called "19 Tricks, or Weapons of Massive Creation for Global Amelioration" which I sent far and wide. Of those 19 tricks, two are relevantly applicable to this upcoming event. I’m gently recommending them for the 11th as well.

2. Visualize the planet bathed in a regal violet-purple light at least momentarily once daily.

(Violet-"Purple rain, purple""reign". . . : )

Violet-purple rays of transmutational light will gently wake up several sleeping souls and solve problems, ages old in many places, and will ameliorate even circumstances most dire. Focusing on regions most conflicted (D.C., the MidEast, Iraq. the Gulf Coast, and the entire continent of Africa, etc.),will help as well.

(For those of earthier orientations who unlike many spiritualists, don't necessarily resonate with the violet-purple vibration, another alternative suggested by a differing source would be to project a vibrant green around the globe. That color will most likely hasten the healing of our woefully damaged ecosystems and many sad and broken hearts as well. )

“4. Figuring eight whenever you sense imbalances, and/or once daily for just a minute or two. Here's how one can do that:

"Nearly twenty years ago I was guided on Mount Hollywood to raise my hands over my head and envision my spiritual source whilst standing. In a similar manner, I have also drawn down specific planetary and solar and lunar energies at various times, as well. I visualize energy descending through my left arm and crossing over to the right side of my body between the nape of my neck (where central nervous system wiring switches over from one side to the other) and my heart chakra. Then the energy goes down through my right side and through my right leg down to the center of the earth where it merges miraculously with Gaia, and then loops back up returning to earth's surface then travels up my left leg up the left side of my body crossing over to right side. Again it passes between my heart chakra, and the nape of my neck, and then goes out my right arm returning to my spiritual source.

Over time and with a modicum of practice, it scarcely takes a nanosecond to enact, but has greater effect if simply sustained for a moment or two. Energetically it balances higher and lower energies. It can be useful for many who feel disconnected, stressed, or concerned about the apparent extreme imbalances between potential and form, of which Gaia appears to be processing and releasing now at an unprecedented rate.

Whenever in doubt, maybe go figure 8.

In my heart and soul, I know that if enough true souls practice this when spirit moves them to do so, many of the the severe earth changes and extreme weather conditions, and their awful, and most harrowing repercussions that have occurred, and are still expected over the next few years, will be mollified, and conditions of suffering and hardship on the planet will be ameliorated more expediently, and far more gently than they would be otherwise if a plethora of true souls would not do so.

It's as simple as that run on sentence suggests.”

*To see the cosmological corollaries and the preamble to the "19 tricks. . ." I posted them on this sleepy and long neglected blog. http://stellascope.blogspot.com/

**http://www.cosmosandpsyche.com/

***http://www.coyotenetworknews.com/productcart/pc/radioshow.htm

"nam-myoho-renge-kyo"
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:27 PM
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1. Thanks for the heads up, Stella
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 02:28 PM by SpiralHawk
All the traditional elders I know speak about the importance of unified group vision and action. This is a highly auspicious opportunity to bring the circle together.

From the summit of the sacred mountain, I join you and all my relations...

Meegwich

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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:10 PM
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12. Thanks mister Hawk !!!
This has felt like a collaborative effort with you from the get go.

:woohoo:

Always happy to soar with you.

:hi:
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:16 PM
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36. Beautiful picture, SpiralHawk.
Did you paint it yourself?

Stella, thanks for the affirmation - I will participate. :hi:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:16 AM
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115. The pic is by James Hart Dyke.
SpiralHawk is just posting the picture without giving credit to the artist, while stealing bandwidth.
Let us pray.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 02:47 PM
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2. I am in
Certainly can't hurt! :)
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:32 PM
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3. Have sent out an email to a list of folks
that don't come to DU so that they will know about it, too. Hubby and I will remind each other via phone tomorrow, too.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:13 PM
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13. Thank you ayesha luv.
We're all in this together.

Yayyyyyyyyy

Pleased to know you.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:34 PM
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4. Great start and great post.

Why not have every day be a day of momentary mindfulness of where we are and what's happening to our home, the earth. No great effort, just be aware that we're in dangerous territory and positive action is needed.

Thanks so much for this K*R
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:21 PM
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14. Hey big bro
you KNOW how demanding I can be.

Good idea but. . .but. . .but. . .

Momentary mindfulness . . .?. . .pshaw. . .I want it 24/7. . .

Now. . . about those small matters of the Castle in Liechtenstein and that most desired telaportation chamber. . . ?

I presume they are coming right up. . . .Right. . .?

You'll put a good word with Santa for me no doubt.

Thanks in advance.

:hi:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:50 PM
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38. He knows when you've been sleeping, he knows when you're awake...
...so be good for goodness sake (but the message is - be good or you're busted, no commercial holiday festival offerings...Santa is the Orwellian presence and monitor...and we're our own instrument of punishment;) OK, all day. Does that make me a 24 hour man?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:50 PM
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45. a 24 hour dude totally LOL
but I won't ask you to be my Santa really.

:rofl:

but am still hankering for that castle.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:38 PM
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5. I'll be there! K and R
"nam-myoho-renge-kyo"
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:43 PM
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6. I'm in! K&R! n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:48 PM
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7. I'm in. I do this everyday. I have modified the rosary, using the
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 03:49 PM by roguevalley
decades to meditate on things that need help and my family, past and present. The last decade I dedicate to the earth, all who suffer, the hopeless shall be hopeful and all who might hear my thoughts and help us. Its form helps me get all the thoughts I want to express said, allowing five decades of beads for me to ponder, pray and think. I love to do this because the beads help me concentrate and the time it takes usually is 30-45 minutes. I don't know what the Pope would think of using the rosary in a totally different way but since I pray for all of us, every living thing on this earth, I pray for him too.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:23 PM
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15. different strokes for different folks and whatever floats your boat
Oh dear, I'm morphing into a series of cliches.

Help mister wizard !!!

I do honor your efforts though all joking aside.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:02 PM
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27. bwahahaha! Thank you and back atcha. :-D
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:49 PM
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8. I'm in. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:53 PM
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9. Very good.
Count me in.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 03:55 PM
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10. bah, humbug.

grumble, grumble.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:26 PM
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16. Hey cheerful
Hope that's working for you hon.

"Self defeating prophesies are perhaps their own reward."

Maybe consider lightening up a bit.

Huh.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:41 PM
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18. maybe I'll be visited tonight by the spirits.....


and Jacob Marley.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:01 PM
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19. I wish upon you only the friendliest of spirits
just like in Rocky and Bullwinkle.

:hi:
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:03 PM
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20. my favorite was Mr Magoo's Christmas Carol.


:hi:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:18 PM
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22. Pulling a "Gonzolaws" here, but "I don't recall" that one specifically
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 05:19 PM by stellanoir
but I do remember loving Mr. Magoo totally.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:59 PM
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48. Yes indeed!
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 11:00 PM by GoneOffShore
I'd recommend YOUR post if I could.
The rest of this, not so much.


:eyes:
:boring:


:thumbsdown:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:05 PM
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11. Right on Stella!
K&R
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 04:29 PM
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17. It couldn't hurt.. . . .eom
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 04:29 PM by annabanana
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:42 AM
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111. Wrong. It's promoting a false diagnosis and a wishful cure.
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 02:43 AM by greyl
"Dr. Everythingwill B. Alright
Will make everything go wrong"
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:03 PM
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21. Of course I am in...
Great post!

Just as Gore said this morning, in his exceptionally wonderful speech...

When we unite for a moral purpose that is manifestly good and true, the spiritual energy unleashed can transform us. The generation that defeated fascism throughout the world in the 1940s found, in rising to meet their awesome challenge, that they had gained the moral authority and long-term vision to launch the Marshall Plan, the United Nations, and a new level of global cooperation and foresight that unified Europe and facilitated the emergence of democracy and prosperity in Germany, Japan, Italy and much of the world. One of their visionary leaders said, "It is time we steered by the stars and not by the lights of every passing ship."

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/gore-lecture_en.html


Thank you, Stella

absolutely

:hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:19 PM
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23. "What you think,
you become." -- Gandhi
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:24 PM
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24. Well it is the 64th anniversary of the birth of a great Democrat
and 64 is a special number. (At least Lennon/McCartney thought so)
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:27 PM
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25. Yes! On Dec. 11 let's sing Happy Birthday to John Kerry!
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 05:29 PM by frogmarch
edited to add: And me, another great Democrat. :-)
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 05:35 PM
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26. Happy, happy, happy Birthday to you.


Hope you eat cake.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 08:18 PM
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32. Thanks. :-) Beautiful cake. What does it say? n/t
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 11:07 PM
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49. Sorry I'm not fluent in Japanese
it just looked scrumptious and Happy Birthday again.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #25
33. Kick for Kerry and for you!
:party: :toast: :party:

DemEx
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:35 PM
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28. K and R Thank you! nt
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:50 PM
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30. Anytime luv
but tomorrow especially.

:hi:
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 06:49 PM
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29. Will do! Kick and recommended.
DemEx
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 07:15 PM
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31. thanks dear
and best as always to you.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:11 PM
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35. My pleasure
and thanks for your good work.

DemEx
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:11 PM
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34. The answer to this prayer will come over the long term.
Paradigm shifts don't happen overnight. But yes, we need to let go of the outmoded way of thinking that is all over DC and the media.

I just flashed on that atheist holiday display that the local news has been poo-pooing. I forget where it is, but the atheists put up a sign including the words "Imagine no religion" with a picture of the WTC. Lennon wrote the song over 35 years ago, and it's still radical and subversive.

Bill
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 10:52 AM
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58. Yes I agree it's incremental but if we persist in focusing
in this or similar ways at certain times it can only help.

The theocratic banter has been especially deafening over the last week or so.

That just compelled me to do this even more.

Lennon is a continual source of inspiration for sure.

His tragic demise only made him more so.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:44 PM
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37. Beautiful.
Thanks for posting and I'm all for it.

A grateful K & R.
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Flying Dream Blues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:57 PM
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39. Yes, indeed...will do!
Thanks for putting this together...a great effort that I hope will reap great rewards as it wings forth tomorrow from lots of well-intentioned people ("the only ones who have ever changed the world"...from a wonderful quote I can't place right now!)

:hi:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 09:59 PM
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40. Self-delete.
Edited on Mon Dec-10-07 09:59 PM by Occam Bandage
Let dreaming dogs lie.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:27 PM
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41. Thanks as always, stella -- K&R!
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:30 PM
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43. You are very welcome DMM
You are the best and I love bringing you stuff from the eccentric fringe.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:27 PM
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42. Thanks as always, stella -- K&R!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:31 PM
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44. I'll participate in my own way
At 11:26 Pacific time.

I'll be visualizing with all of you.

The world needs change, and we are all part of it.

Che Guevara spoke to the United Nations on December 11, 1964.

Apollo 17, the last moon landing was on December 11, 1972.

Let's help something momentous happen.

SpiralHawk, I will also remember the Four Grandmothers Standing Tall.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:54 PM
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46. wows thanks for the additional historical info
If you look on the primitive blog I referenced, you'll see the other more ancient corollaries.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-10-07 10:57 PM
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47. powerful stuff. Thanks.
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:15 AM
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51. Tuesday night for me, and have people here for dinner....
Will have to find a way to slip away for a bit....:-)....

LOL, mis-read your name - Tuesday Afternoon - for your post title - the time of this meditation/affirmation!

DemEx
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:41 AM
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50. This is wonderful, Stella....
Am sending it on to my friends. :)

:hug::loveya:
DR
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:16 AM
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52. Woo Hoo, Desertrose.....
.....to see you in here.

:loveya: :hug:

DemEx
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:19 AM
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53. Kick. nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:28 AM
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54. I love it Stella
thanks
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 08:36 AM
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55. Ready to go, Stella
Let's light this candle! :hug:
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:27 AM
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56. I'll try and remember
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 09:28 AM by Annces
2:20 EST.




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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. Try to Stand Up.
No---- TRY ---to stand up!

with love,
vanlassie
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:15 AM
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63. Do you really think
everyone on this thread will DO it. Or will some see that the time is 4 pm and say oops, I forgot because I was shoveling snow.

:P
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:34 AM
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66. Well an older friend who is very spiritual but somewhat spacy
did it first thing this morning and called me to tell me how powerful it was.

I clarified the thing about the synchronization but told her that she probably unwittingly jump started the whole process.

So anytime will do but the experiment has to do with its strength in the moment.

But positive focus never hurts for sure.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 09:44 AM
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57. Beautiful post!! Thanks Stella!! Count me in for this, too!
:hug: You are the best!! And many thanks to all of the others who have posted on this thread. You're ALL the best!!

:loveya:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:00 AM
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59. Today's the day
kick
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:06 AM
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61. experiment would proably work better...
If you waited till 4:20 EST :)
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:15 AM
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64. but that happens every day
:rofl:

This doesn't.

The rarity is explained here. . .

http://stellascope.blogspot.com/


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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:12 AM
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62. 2:26 Eastern, 1:26 Central, 12:26 Standard, 11:26 Pacific
I'm in.

:-)
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #62
65. 8:26 P.M. CET for any others over here....
:-) :hi:

DemEx
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:01 PM
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67. What a bunch of woo-woo bullshit
Is there anything so goofy you won't believe it? I can't even read part way through your incoherent post without bursting into laughter at your nonsense. In the meantime, people around the world are starving to death or being subjected to unspeakable violence. The way to address these problems is by taking concrete action (giving time or money), rather than the metaphysical foofaw you're promoting.

By the way, Einstein said nothing of the sort that you claim. What he actually said was, "The significant problems we face today cannot be solved at the same level of THINKING (emphasis added) we were at when we created them". It's intellectually dishonest of you to alter what he said, then enclose it in quotation marks to make it appear those are his words. I would also suggest you take his admonition about THINKING to heart, rather than waste your time pursuing woo-woo gimmickry.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:14 PM
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68. One entity's woo-woo BS, is another entity's direct experience of spirit & unity
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 12:15 PM by SpiralHawk
"E = MC 2" - Albert Einstein

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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:13 PM
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86. Making the case for the abuse of science by those who do not understand it beautifully - thanks
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 12:20 PM
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69. Then I hope the singularly rational approach works out really well for ya.
Approaches such as these are complimentary or supplementary to more concrete and traditional efforts. They are by no means mutually exclusive, like walking and chewing bubble gum.

We are all well aware of the human suffering in the world.

Someone on this board responded to a thread last summer with that version of the Einstein quotation on another lively experiment thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1347647

And I'm currently looking for a recent interview in Rolling Stone magazine wherein Al Gore apparently paraphrased the quotation in the exact same way, but you are right I shouldn't have taken their words for it without researching it.

I'll post a link to the interview if I can find it.

Some would say thinking is consciousness anyhoo.

I'd much rather be a woo woo than spew vitriol, hatred, and anger all over the place.

Glad I got you to laugh at least
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:18 PM
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76. Party pooper.
:P

I'm off now to join my comrades in Woowoodom.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:05 PM
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84. Hear, hear!
It's good to know not everyone is going to clap and cheer for this ridiculous BS.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:19 PM
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88. and manure is fertilizer
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:23 PM
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91. It is not so effective when inserted into a mind though.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:27 PM
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93. I may have my frailties and odd proclivities but
cranial rectal inversion is not one of them.

peace
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:33 PM
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95. Not very effective as fertilizer...
...when it's stuffed between your ears.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:39 PM
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96. Okay you guys are really trying to spoil the afterglow
from this really uplifting experiment. But you can't.

Calling me a shithead, and shamelessly dishonest is just such sophisticated commentary.

/sarcasm


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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #96
108. It cannot be spoiled, dear,
it merely creates the contrast to enjoy the experience even more.

DemEx
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 02:58 AM
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112. Its main value is in getting some people through a few hours feeling psychologically better.
Edited on Wed Dec-12-07 03:00 AM by greyl
On an individual level!
You shouldn't be shocked when you try to share it with others and the delusion falls apart and starts to feel not so good anymore.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:01 PM
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70. In this article this event is described as a "Cosmic Sunrise"
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Bluestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:28 PM
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71. Lovely post, Stella. Thank you and I am in! n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:36 PM
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72. One more hour to go.
:kick:
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:59 PM
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74. Countdown starting....
:bounce:

DemEx
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 01:58 PM
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73. What kind of results are you hoping to see from all this?
When doing an experiment it's common thought not ubiquitous to have some expectation of what the result will be. Do you have any expectations from the activities you have just laid out for us?
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:46 PM
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82. Of course they do!
Just don't expect to actually be able to observe any result for the next, oh let's say, decade or so... And when you do, rest assured that it will be a subtle effect, just enough to tip our collective conciousness into the dawning of the new light.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:16 PM
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75. Kick for mindfulness.
:kick:
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:18 PM
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77. Kicking for the Earth in need of our love!
Bathe her in a beautiful violet light, please - she needs our help0.

:kick:
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:24 PM
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78. Kick for heaven on earth
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 02:24 PM by DemExpat
:grouphug:

DemEx
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:26 PM
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79. Too late to rec, but I can still kick.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 02:57 PM
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80. Thank you, for this. The steady diet of 'outrage' was really getting to me.
:grouphug:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 03:36 PM
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81. locked and moved R & T after 24 hours of recs and accolades. . .?
peculiar
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:02 PM
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83. The arrogance of some atoms - thinking they can command all their bretheren
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:20 PM
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89. lol
cute
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:22 PM
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90. Well, good luck with your set of atoms.
I'm sure they will jiggle with great might in their attempt to effect a transaction without a train of causation.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:12 PM
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85. Einstein never uttered the BS you shamelessly, dishonestly attribute to him.
But gee, what's a little intellectual dishonesty if the pay-off is as stunning as when you "Fired the Grid"?

Is there a race of "light beings" behind this new event, or have we mere humans finally achieved the (cough, cough) "wisdom" to dream up these childish make-believe games ourselves?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:24 PM
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92. See post #69
a whole lot of people felt a lot more hopeful for a while.

"Mechanism reductionism often masquerades as maturity."

Hope it serves you well. I'll stick to playfulness any day.
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:27 PM
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94. Idealistic holism often masquerades as a solution to all problems.
Hope it serves you well. I'll stick to what works any day.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:45 PM
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97. What I believe has nothing to do with whether or not it...
..."serves (me) well". Truth isn't obligated to suit my fancy or make my life better or worse.

Further, it hardly requires "mechanistic reductionism" to recognize the ridiculous of your scheme.

The fact that you may have quoted somebody else's misquote of Einstein perhaps reduces some of the dishonesty in repeating the misquote, but it also shows how entirely too credulous you are. Anyone who really knows anything about Einstein would have doubted the veracity of that quote in an instant. But doubting someone else's BS would make you an unplayful meany, huh?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:54 PM
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99. He said "thinking" instead of "consciousness"
big frigging diff.

Gore said the same thing in an issue of Rolling Stone recently.

I was wrong to have trusted a poster and politician without verification and I admitted that.

I presume you've never erred in your entire life.

I just can't believe how hostile you people are to others who gain solace and strength and joy from something that alludes you.

No one is attacking you.

We're just living differently.

Sorry about that but I think diversity is a good thing.




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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:06 PM
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101. Joy is irrelevant. Solace is irrelevent. Diversity is irrelevant. Hostility is irrelvant.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:13 PM
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102. Well from your perspective is anything relevant ?
And is it okay for different individuals to value different things?

Just wondering.
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cyborg_jim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:17 PM
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104. It is irrelevant.
You want an effect - you need to know how to cause it.

The value you place on an action is irrelevant to its effectiveness - it is either effective or it is not, irrespective of your rating of it.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:17 PM
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103. Yes, big frigging diff.
You said: "The problems that face us cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them. What we need is a shift in consciousness."

Gore said: "Einstein once said, 'the problems that face us cannot be solved at the same level of consciousness that created them.' What we need is a shift in consciousness."

The "what we need..." part comes from Gore, not Einstein.

Einstein said: "The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them."
Another version attributed to Einstein: "Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them."

"Level of consciousness" and "level of thinking" might not be too far apart if you leave it at that. But then add talk of needing a "shift in consciousness", and then take the quote out of a context where the "consciousness" Gore is talking about is scientific awareness of things like carbon dioxide levels, insolation, sea levels, rates of glacial melting etc., into a woo-woo context where "shift in consciousness" means ignoring science, closing your eyes, and imagining violet light -- the end result, if not deliberately dishonest, is entirely misleading.

But who cares about being misleading when we're being "playful"?
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 05:55 PM
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105. Yeah, sometimes I think I'd like to hear the beat of
a different accordion. But then something like this comes along, proving that I don't need to.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:16 PM
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87. So, what happened? Anything?..nt
Sid
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:52 PM
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98. Well, The Dow Is Down Almost 300 Points
Edited on Tue Dec-11-07 04:55 PM by Beetwasher
I guess they didn't try hard enough? Or maybe that's a good thing? :shrug:

It's probably my fault though since I didn't participate. I bet if I did, we'd all be in Nirvana right now.

Sorry guys, my bad.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 04:55 PM
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100. I also came too late to the party...
and I fear that it was my missing YOP! that might have made the difference.

Ah well. C'est la vie.

Sid
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 06:12 PM
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106. Thich Nhat Hahn
May the sound of the bell penetrate deep into the cosmos.
Even in the darkest spots living beings are able to hear it clearly.
So that all suffering in them cease. Understanding comes to their heart, and they transcend the path of sorrow and death.

The universal dharma door is already open; the sound of the rising tide is already heard clearly. The miracle happens.

Thich Nhat Hahn

http://www.shiftinaction.com/node/892
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:43 PM
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107. Beautiful, rumpel, rings loud and clear.
Thank you!

DemEx
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:51 PM
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109. The universal dharma door is already open...
...the sound of the rising tide is already heard clearly. The miracle happens...



And then we eat ice cream! Yaaay!!! :party: :bounce: :party:
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-11-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #109
110. wows
and the miracle is. . .

ice cream. . .?

upon that one thing we can perhaps agree.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:13 AM
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114. That's beautfiul, Rumpel...
and thanks to Stella for the thread.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 03:11 AM
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113. YEE HAW...let's fire up the grid!!!!
Oh wait...is this something different? Did we already fire up the grid?
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-12-07 05:27 PM
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116. Yes, it's already fired up...
...now we're just playing with the colors of the pretty lights. :crazy:

I'm curious why this is referred as an "experiment", "lively" or not. If it's an experiment, what's being tested? Is there a prediction which will either be confirmed or refuted? Is there a particular set of data to be gathered, or particular type of observation to be made?

I think this so-called "experiment" is an automatic success for anyone who believes in it hard enough, with vast, uncorrelated, entirely subjective results, and results pretty much indistinguishable from not running the "experiment" at all, unless results are interpreted with an incredibly generous and open-ended set of standards.

Sorry... it's so "unplayful" of me to think like that. :)
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 09:33 AM
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117. OK, so it's almost three days later...
Did it work? Are all the problems of the world solved now?

Tell me, how DO you know if it works? If the dunderheaded rational thinking you clearly despise ends up solving a problem, will you say that it was the co-creating with spirit part that invisibly worked behind the scenes to really make it happen?

In other words, is there ANYTHING, anything at all, that could falsify these beliefs?
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-13-07 10:04 AM
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118. At least this thread became a lot "livelier" when it got moved to R/T.
This is much more interesting now than the mawkish Fawning of the Woo into which the thread was born. :evilgrin:
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TonTueKa Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-07-08 10:18 PM
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119. Hey Stellanoir.. this has nothing to do with the topic..
But I have been trying to get in contact with you.. I came across this site when I googled something about tarot readings..
I wanted to ask you a few questions because my bf's mom gets them read and according to my sister in law it's something bad that I rather keep private. Do you read them? If so, can you help me? Or suggest me to anyone? I'm going nuts and don't know what to do. I would have posted this in the astrology forum but I had to donate first but this is urgent.. to me anyway..

If you have the time and want to.. please email me at [email protected]
Id really appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.
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