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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 01:34 PM Original message |
TIA: A Reply to DUers who question my probability assumptions/calculations |
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Karenca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. k --- r . NT |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. TIA: Data Analysis Update |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
114. TIA: THE NETWORK MEDIA VOTE " PROJECTION PLANNER" |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 07:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
129. the good, the bad, and the ugly |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 10:19 AM Response to Reply #129 |
134. TIA RESPONDS |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. TIA, stop putting words in my mouth |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 12:45 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Actually OTOH |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #137 |
141. "we find his quoting of you down pat"?? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #141 |
148. Ha |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #148 |
160. you remember me saying all sorts of thiings I never did |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-04-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #148 |
180. Well, if this is true |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #134 |
144. creatures from the black lagoon |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. I hope those seeking to advocate contrary positions, |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. Well, let me clarify |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. If we temper the effect of the law of large numbers with caution |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Well, that may be so |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I re-read that post |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. One other problem with the criticism regarding names vs parties |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Well, if you want to calculate the odds |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. The meta-analysis is one possibility, now... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #75 |
113. You do realise, don't you |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
92. TIA |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
115. Sorry, TIA, but you are wrong |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:42 AM Response to Reply #27 |
132. there were other specific cases of malfeasance documented as well |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 01:35 PM Response to Reply #132 |
140. Again, I agree |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. well, no |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
80. TIA: Questions for Feeble and OTOH |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. TIA: And one more question for Feeble and OTOH: |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. mom cat, it is not that hard to type "Febble" |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
79. TIA: Questions for Feeble and OTOH |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:56 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. TIA: And one more question for Feeble and OTOH |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. I will answer this one |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
117. What he said n/t |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
116. OK |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #116 |
133. A larger EP effort and larger audit effort should be carried out and would offer more |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
136. I agree, although |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #136 |
138. Wrong assumptions, again, Febble |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Do you actually read my posts? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:27 PM Response to Reply #139 |
149. What insult? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #149 |
150. No, I do not |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. You found evidence? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Proof is for math and alcohol |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #152 |
153. Well |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #153 |
156. It was never an assumption |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #156 |
158. Two things |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. nearly everyone agrees what? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #138 |
157. Here's what I think about the '04 exit polls - the ONLY |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 03:05 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Then there are the republicans |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 02:25 AM Response to Reply #157 |
184. And the interesting thing... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-15-06 07:39 AM Response to Reply #184 |
185. it's true that many of the largest red shifts were in the Northeast |
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rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. I for one have not a single nit to pick |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
4. Go get em TIA |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
5. I didn't need to crunch any numbers to come to your conclusion: |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
6. Well, I'm late to this party, but here is one error: |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. "Shades of MANOVA, Batman!" |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
154. I don't have any experience evaluating voting polls- but |
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understandinglife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
7. Recommended. |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Exactly. We have to fight for our rights! |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. what is the famour Mark Twain quote about statistics? nt |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Yeah, but TIA's statistics |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
60. lol |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Variance is a tricky thing |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 09:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Thanks for taking the time to post a logical and level-headed analysis |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
13. As always, you earn your name, TruthIsAll! |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 02:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I do like your theory. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. No. 1: Most of the Absentee Ballots are scanned right into the rigged |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. K&R'd |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
18. amazing, k&r'd... |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
19. Fault-finders find fault... |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. My ex-husband was like that. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. If it weren't for fault-finders |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
74. hey...whatever you seek.... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. I think if you look around |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. no luck so far... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. no, I'm referring to Febble |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Some of Febble's posts referred to Kos... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. well, I'm at a loss |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I don't think I have a point either... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #93 |
103. OK, let's compare notes |
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fooj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
21. TIA gave me hope after the 2004 "selection"... |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Me too! |
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katinmn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
24. Thanks, TIA. Not sure why anyone still disputes e-voting fraud. |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
28. I just want to point out one thing about the posters who always seem to |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. show me one poster |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Deleted message |
OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. nope n/t |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #31 |
63. Hear! Hear! |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 05:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. It is not nit-picking |
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creeksneakers2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
34. I was the one who confused generic polls |
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FogerRox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
36. I never got past high school math.. so I won't touch the math here |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. the bums... |
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NobleCynic (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-24-06 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
37. Generic polls will always be different, sometimes dramatically so |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 04:45 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Oh, well said. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
40. Kick.nt |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
41. The machines are counting votes in secret, |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:34 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Well this is an honest request |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 04:13 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Knowing all this, TIA's numbers should be small potatoes to you |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 04:26 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Well, I don't think |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 04:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. How can you say TIA's numbers are wrrong |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 04:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Because |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:00 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. America, No doubt it is, GOING TO BE FIXED, but |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Well, generally from the same source as TIA |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. The votes are being counted in secret |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:34 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. So you are saying: |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 12:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
68. Yes, in this particular case, because you know for a |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. But when you have someone yelling that |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 07:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I won't speak for Febble |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:20 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. So your assumptions are better than TIA's assumptions because ...? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Well, I did try to explain |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
155. Could you explain this in a clearer fashion? A Poll |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. OK, I'll have a go |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:31 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. Ah your first four paragraphs help a lot |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Just checking to make sure I have not in fact muddled you.... |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #164 |
165. Uh Oh If you had muddled me before I did not even know it |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #165 |
166. Well, tell me the problem |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:29 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. PS: FWIW |
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mogster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
50. Kick! |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
57. My frustration with defense of pollsters... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. yawn |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. ah, let me point out a few of the problems |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. you resort to rhetoric... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. ? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #64 |
67. It hard to "learn much"... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 01:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. you are ignoring substance |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. hmmm....I have started... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. have I tested WHAT for normality? |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:04 AM Response to Reply #84 |
104. Again, more rhetoric than paying attention... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:14 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. oh, c'mon |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
112. Little exercise for you, Sancho |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
59. But have you allowed for the CHEMTRAILS variant? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. Deleted message |
OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:16 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. my fantasy: |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. It's funny |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 05:35 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. not only do I take criticism |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 11:29 PM Response to Reply #78 |
97. Ok |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #97 |
142. Evidently not. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Well, it should be pretty damn |
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mom cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. A lot of people who disagree with you can read quite well. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-29-06 12:47 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. In that case, |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
65. Keep up the good work n/t |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
69. I'll save myself the effort |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
94. I don't think the analysis is an embarrassment,what is embarrassing |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. And the further embarassment is |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 02:08 AM Response to Reply #96 |
101. Yes, think Heller,Sancho,Funk and Shelly they went down, Why? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
109. Please do not lump me in with Diebod and ES&S. |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Indeed |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:39 PM Response to Reply #96 |
120. Where to start.... |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 05:57 PM Response to Reply #120 |
123. So don't.... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 06:25 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. I certainly |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. Shoot |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 07:15 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. No, I'm not saying |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. But we know |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Yes, we know |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Poll peoples' numbers |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #126 |
131. I thought it was buncha shit |
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anaxarchos (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-25-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. You might want to exert that effort... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:11 AM Response to Reply #95 |
105. an interesting post |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
107. They're using the generic ballot in a similar manner to TIA? Oh really? |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
118. And for the record |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 08:29 AM Response to Reply #95 |
108. Excellent... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #108 |
119. For once I agree (partly) |
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bleever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
98. Damn, it feels good to breathe fresh air again! |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. My reason for being here, Rich kids will not count my kids votes in the future |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
100. "Don't expect that this post will be peer-reviewed." |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 02:21 AM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Deleted message |
slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #102 |
110. Peer review is the best way to get TIA some real credibility |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 03:01 PM Response to Reply #110 |
121. The reason it does not make sense to you is |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-26-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. Peace be with you, kster |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-28-06 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
145. Kick, thanks for the detailed analysis |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 08:51 PM Response to Original message |
167. A good point by TIA....from the scholars! |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. A couple of things: |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 06:01 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Without getting TOO technical..."blaming your tools" was the main point here. |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 07:22 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. Well, I still |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 12:42 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Ok... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 07:38 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. if you find TIA convincing, you should explain why |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 03:04 PM Response to Reply #171 |
173. I used the word convincing in the sense that a large part of this blog ... |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 07:30 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. hmmmm |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. I have stat & prob background, haven't followed details, but my analyses support TIA & Freeman's |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 11:56 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. ps: what is the probability that the 19.5% undervotes in Butler Co. Ohio in Cong. races was caused |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-04-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #179 |
182. hard to say, actually |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-04-06 08:58 AM Response to Reply #178 |
181. that doesn't support TIA's analysis |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #168 |
174. The references and "assumptions" for the scholarly challenged... |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. No, page 7 |
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Sancho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #176 |
177. I'm can see there is lots of disjoint methods...but here goes... |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-10-06 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
183. Kick for the Truth |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
186. View this Nov. '06 thread in relation to the TIA FAQ Response |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-04-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. I still think Skinner got it right |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #187 |
188. TIA correctly forecast the mid-terms and districts where fraud would most likely occur |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:46 AM Response to Reply #188 |
189. How do you know it was correct? n/t |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 06:05 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. The proof is in the pudding and he did a great job. Welcome to DU! |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #188 |
191. that isn't responsive to the argument |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. TIA explains why the Generic Polls overstate the winning margin |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. no, it isn't a satisfactory explanation |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #192 |
194. A point worth making |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #194 |
195. well, we were discussing generics, but |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #195 |
196. I was aware the discussion was about generics |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:06 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. Some facts regarding the Barfumi, TIA, and Pew Generic models |
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Febble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. Bafumi's regression formula: |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 07:45 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Summary of Generic models compared to the Wikipedia count |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #200 |
201. Wikipedia, vox dei? |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #201 |
202. Strange how Wiki numbers changed but the totals remained the same. |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #202 |
203. Who just told Wikipedia about this thread? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. say whaa? |
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OnTheOtherHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. sorry, no |
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caruso (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-05-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. Self-delete |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-25-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
206. Still great after all this time, the truth is all. n/t |
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