Qui Tam $68,500 donation, BBV. Not listed in tax filing.

[troubleinwinter]

The donation had been made according to Bev's post, but no such donation shows on BBV.org tax filing.

Wonder what happened to that donation.

[Sydnie]

1. Damn good question

Where is the money?

[flyingobject]

9. waiting for the un-redacted 990.

that will be revealed pending the next holiday

:7

[troubleinwinter]

11. Shoot.

I'm waiting for the properly redacted Schedule B. 'Bout three weeks or so late.

[swag]

2. $68,5000? That's a fancy currency.

[troubleinwinter]

4. Well, yep, it would be! Thanx, fixed! Still fancy money.

[fooj]

3. You know the saying...

Show me the money

[Redstone]

5. You know, this stuff is a God damn shame, because I found DU through

finding BBV after the 2004 elections.

It would have been nice if BBV had turned out to be what it seemed to be. I really thought they had the goods, and the horses to make a difference. What a letdown.

Redstone

[MelissaB]

7. Ditto that!

What a disappointment! She made it sound like she had the goods. It may have been foolish, but I donated. You live and learn...

[troubleinwinter]

8. But there are SO MANY

good people and good organizations busting their butts on the issue and MAKING A DIFFERENCE! We must just stop wasting energy, money and resources on that ol' pig in a poke and support the organizations that are doing the WORK we need rather than gathering the limelight.

[EFerrari]

18. Man, me, too. I watched a video starring that grifter and it was

all downhill from there.

I just came to the ER (and DU) from following a series of links after that.

Well, every effort has its manipulators.

We just have to stay with it anyway. :mad:

On the upside (in case anyone cares to hear it) I've now been able to distribute both Mark's book AND Guv's pamphlet to a third of my Board of Supervisors. (Thank you, Mark and Guv, for making the information and the possible strategies COMSUMABLE.) So, soon, when this county looks at new voting equipment, the lookers will have some information in hand and not be blindsided.

[rman]

31. How does failing to file a donation equate to "not having the goods"?

From the posts in this and similar threads i get the impression some people think that BBV is the enemy when it comes to fair elections.

What has BBV done concretely to harm the quest for fair elections? It seems to me BBV has rather done the opposite.

[Jo March]

35. We were told that she needed the money to audit FL

Hundreds of people gave her money. What do we have to show for it, especially the FL audit? NOTHING

After the election of '04, only ONE newscaster wanted to examine the election fraud story, Keith Olbermann. She managed to harrass his staff and not produce any of the fraud evidence that she supposedly had. Keith finally gave up on her in disgust. Read his explanation here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008/#041201a

She was banned from DU - twice - because she was so combative. She threatened to sue DU and DUers which is ridiculous because DU offered her a home to help "spread the word" and DUers did the majority of the work for her without getting any of the credit.

Finally, there was the whole situation with Andy. While he was dying from cancer, she went on sites like Free Republic and posted that she did not believe that he was ill at all. She spurred on the whole "Scamdy" movement which delayed Andy's treatment at Johns Hopkins. He ultimately died.

Bev herself has done more damage to the election reform movement than anyone else has by her actions. She has ticked off more people than she has won over. Is she effective? No, not really. Look at what has been done in the state of NC, positive things, and Bev had squatola to do with those positive gains for election reform.

Bev is all about Bev. She raised almost $1,000,000 and what do we have to show for it? What, exactly? Now the Qui Tam money is not accounted for, either?

So, I ask you: What has BBV done concretely to help the quest for fair elections? Don't give me her words. Tell us all what she's done to help.

[rman]

44. This comes to mind:

BBV reveals the whole kit and kaboodle: Here's how to rig Diebold
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=438081&mesg_id=438081

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Bev FINALLY gets around to this

weeks after if should have been posted. Of course the fact it distracts from her 990 being picked apart and providing more evidence of her lies is coincidental.

[Jo March]

47. David, remember the whole "Diebold IP" crap?

I remember it well.

She knew nothing about computers or code or anything. Others had to explain it to her. She then would act as though she came up with something earth-shattering.

[Kelvin Mace]

48. Wasn't it also promulgated by Jim March

who is a self-proclaimed computer expert?

For those just tuning in, Bev claimed that Diebold computers were "phoning home" to a mysterious IP address and she couldn't find out who it belonged to. The IP was a 192.168.xxx.xxx address, that is reserved for in house networks and testing. ANY SE worth a damn knows this.

[Jo March]

49. Yes, but to Bev it was the Holy Grail of her work

She had found the mysterious IP address that would lead us all straight to Diebold!

Like I said before, she has done nothing concrete for the movement.

[Jo March]

46. Bev knew nothing about computers - this is the work of others

Bev spread the word about how to "rig" the Diebold machines. Someone else actually figured out how to do that and she took the credit. That's how Bev worked.

Bev operates by having others do the hard work. She then takes the work and claims it as her own.

It's just like the whole "I have the IP that Diebold is using" fiasco that Bev started. She had no clue about how IP addresses are assigned or how they work. She just talked out of her butt and tried to claim that she knew something when she didn't and that she did all of the investigative work herself when she didn't.

Again, got anything concrete?

[Kelvin Mace]

37. You look at a single failure

yet ignore the long string of failures and lies.

Let's look at them chronologically:

1) Bev accuses other people of filing Qui Tam lawsuits for self-enrichment.

This was a lie, no one had.

2) Bev swears she will never file such a law suit.

This is a lie, since she was filing one even while she claimed she wouldn't.

3) When the suit is exposed, Bev acts shocked that people are angry about it, but claims it is necessary to stop Diebold in California.

This is a lie, since if anything, Bev's law suit inoculates Diebold against further action in the future when the state settles the suit. One of the main reasons for NOT filing such a suit in the first place was that the state would step in and set the terms for any settlement, whether it helped us or not.

Bottom line: Diebold still operating in California, Bev's source of critical proof of Diebold illegality is fingered by Bev to the police and faces three felony charges.

4) Bev swore that she was not trying to benefit personally from the suit and that she would donate the the money to BBV.

This was a lie, as we now have learned. She claimed last year that she has already donated the money to BBV, after donating some to her church (I bet if we check with her Church we'll find out they didn't get a dime either), yet her 990 shows no such donation.

And of course, there is the lie about having a professional accounting firm handle her books and file the 990.

What has she done to harm the movement?

Where to begin?

Smeared activists, abused reporters, hyped her findings, appropriated other people's work as her own, mocked a dying man (shades of George Bush and Karla Faye Tucker), accused a dying man of faking..., tell me, how much more proof do you need?

If Bev has told this many lies about such critically important things, why do you believe ANYTHING she says?

[Kelvin Mace]

34. NC has the toughest anti-BBV law in the nation

it was accomplished without a single dime of other folk's money, without smearing anyone, without pissing off the press, or the legislature (the SBoE was another story <g>), and was passed UNANIMOUSLY in both houses of the NCGA.

The law was so tough, Diebold withdrew from bidding rather than adhere to it.

Yet, rather than take overwhelming success as a model, some people wish to pursue the same discredited model offered by the same discredited person. They then SLAM folks who have actually DONE something, and praise people who have done NOTHING POSITIVE OF CONSEQUENCE. Folks who dare critcize their hero are evil, and helping the terrori... er, I mean helping Diebold.

These folks now oppose HR-550 and think they are righteous for doing so.

It makes my head hurt.

[Jo March]

36. You and Joyce done did good, David! ;)

You guys walked the walk and talked the talk. I am in NC and yes, the voting laws here are tight.

You guys made it easy for folks like me by passing out information in a timely manner, responding to emails, communicating exactly what you were trying to do. All anyone like me had to do was blanket email inboxes and make calls. It was that easy! Kudos to Joyce and you and the others in NC who didn't resort to grifting or muck-raking to get the job done.

Bev, on the other hand, just mows everyone down and it's always "send more money" or "we have to have more money" or "if you are against me, you must be working for Diebold."

I learned about BBV from Democratic Underground. Bev never really taught me a thing and she sure as heck never did anything concrete that I can point to and say, "That justifies the begging for money, the slander, the lies and the egotistical rantings."

Hang in there, David. We North Carolinians know the truth! :hi:

:loveya:

[Kelvin Mace]

38. We could NOT have done anything

without the citizens of NC banging on doors, ringing phones, annoying legislators, emailing the press, and organizing rallies.

We succeeded as a team. We didn't need money because folks donated their time and resources to help accomplish our goal.

I do not highlight NC to garner "atta boy's", but to illustrate that WE CAN WIN!

Jesus, how many times in a person's life can they actually be part of something that MATTERS?! How many times can you actually defeat evil, without becoming evil?

[Jo March]

43. I know you weren't fishing for kudos but you guys deserve 'em

We CAN win. NC proves it.

Bev didn't do SQUAT in NC. Nothing. Zip, zilch, nada. Of course, that's what she's done for the other 49 states.

You will never turn into anything like Bev. I don't think that you have to worry about that, David.

Bev will get hers. She will get what she deserves - poverty and obscurity.

[flyingobject]

6. its secure

I am sure that it is safe and accounted for, we just
have to trust.

[troubleinwinter]

10. There ya go!

That's just the explanation I was looking for! I feel better now!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[symbolman]

12. No Sarcasm?

You ARE KIDDING, Right?

Please tell me you are not serious?

Reminds me of the story of the guy in a room full of horseshit shovelling madly.. when asked WHY he was shovelling so furiously, he answered, "Well, with all this Horseshit filling the room, there HAS to be a Pony in here somewhere!"

Newsflash? There ain't no pony... it's ALL Horseshit, and it has been from the beginning.. Harris's book was written by the DU, all she did was re-arrange the wording, claim that she knew what she was talking about, and then find a publisher to screw over, and that would be our friend who is STILL being slimed by this sorry excuse for a human being..

If you aren't being sarcastic I would suggest giving away all your earthly treasures, donning a white robe and following the Harris cult around all day, unfortunately she wasn't able to Heal Andy, just SMEAR HIM.

K & R for Troubleinwinter and thanks for letting us know about all the hooey.. btw, if the LAW requires that she give you this information, doesn't the law also require that it be ACCURATE? Or isn't that fraudulent?

[troubleinwinter]

13. Ol' fo is being sarcastic.

I'm waiting for the explanation that "a staffer left it on the desk in a stack, but not to worry... the staffer has been fired".

[symbolman]

15. LOL

Sorry if I offended, pretend I was talking to someone who wasn't kidding :)

[troubleinwinter]

16. Or maybe the bank was closed

for a coupla weeks. Yeah. That's it. It's the bank's fault. It never got 'logged in' because the bank was closed!

[Kelvin Mace]

39. She's being sarcastic in the extreme

Personally, I just sprayed Pepsi throgh my nose when I saw it.

[tigersumtin]

33. LOL

:applause: :applause:

[EFerrari]

42. Lol!

:toast:

[flyarm]

14. k&rrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!! GREAT FIND TROUBLEINWINTER!!!! YOU ARE THE BEST! N/T

[benburch]

17. Does anybody else think that this is getting hard to believe?

How can anybody make as many errors as it appears have been made in this case?

What other explanations are open to us?

[EFerrari]

19. Immaturity?

:shrug:

[troubleinwinter]

21. Hahahahah!!!!!!!!!!

"Immaturity". Right....

[EFerrari]

22. Maybe she had some of those Ken Lay auto sig machines

that sign papers when no one is looking?

They just, well, went off?

[troubleinwinter]

20. Ya mean sorta like these:

• BBV has not registerd with the Secretary of State of Washington State as a Charitable organization, so has been in violation of Washington law for two years. Washington law RCW Chaper 19.09 (excerpts):

19.09.100
No entity may engage in solicitation for contributions … for any charitable organization …. unless the charitable organization is currently registered with the Secretary.

19.09.275
Any person who knowingly violates any provision of the chapeter is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.

______________________________________________________________


• No payroll tax deposits were made by BBV for employees during the entire year (see form 990).

• Failure to pay payroll taxes incurs IRS penalties.

• IRS penalties are paid by donor contributions.

• Form 990 part I Expenses do not add up. Lines 13-15 total to $383,187, but an incorrect totalling of $384,094 is shown.

• Form 990 part II Expenses column A shown as $384,094, but total should be shown as $407,459.

• Form 990 Part IV Line 47a is not carried into column B.

• Form 990 Part IV Line 59 The total is incorrect.

• Form 990 part IV line 60 Accounts payable $72,050 does not agree with Addendum $69,050.

• Form 990 page 1, box M is checked to indicate that Schedule B is not required, yet Schedule A clearly indicates that Schedule B IS required to be filed.

• The ‘Board Administrator’ states on BBV website that a donation of $68,500.47 had been made during reported FY. This donation is NOT reflected in line 26d of Schedule A.

• Schedule B is required, but (redacted of donor names and addresses) has not been provided in response to a request per requirements of IRS Public Disclosure laws.

[EFerrari]

23. When I think about how most of us count bus change

to just get to the protest, this makes me ill.

I won't be saying much (due to NAUSEA) but I will kick. And I am so serious. I'm going to the Code Pink fast tomorrow and still trying to keep the calendar in hand and here it is, the anniversary.

F@ck this grifter. There is so much we need to do, and to do together.

Thank you, TIW.

:kick:

[troubleinwinter]

24. Please take our DU good wishes along with you tomorrow.

[EFerrari]

25. Can I get a pork chop with that?

lol

:hi:

[flyingobject]

28. remember this old saying

[yowzayowzayowza]

26. Thx for the oversight TiW.

Any BBV.com response to any this? I refuse to go over thare.

[Kelvin Mace]

41. Here response was to release the hacks

something she should have done weeks ago, but she needed them to try and distract from the bogus 990. Sure enough, her apologists posted the link and sang her praises.

[flyingobject]

27. these are all just "glitches"

It's Glitch Girl at work!

[flyingobject]

29. what are the penalties?

just wondering what the penalties could be for such violations?

[Kelvin Mace]

40. Perhaps we have to actually start documenting the lies

and enter them into a database so folks can look them up.

[troubleinwinter]

30. Here it is!

.

[Kelvin Mace]

32. Yet another lie

but soon the Bev Brigade will show up and tell us how evil we are for criticizing Bev and how Bev is our only hope for stopping Diebold et al.

When will these people wake up? When will they stop enabling a hateful, dishonest, egomaniac?

[BeFree]

50. What?

I take note of the posters on this thread. Do they have much to say about anything else? No. They have a BEV-on-their-brain dis-ease and exclude nearly all the rest of the important items in ER.

I have, to this point, had these threads on ignore, but a friend of mine who I suggested take a look at ER, did, and having done so, came away amazed at the BEV-on-their-brains and wondered what was going on here. So.....

The ignore feature is good. If you haven't tried it you might want to now. Heck, maybe you should even put Befree on your list?

[Kelvin Mace]

51. The evidence of Bev's mismanagement

and lies is plain.

Sadly, some people still wish to worship at her altar.

[Jo March]

52. I'll have to respectfully reply that many in ER have done a lot for ER

David and others including WillYourVoteBe Counted, hav logged many miles and have done a lot for the election reform laws that have been passed in NC. He and others do not just have "Bev on the brain."

Bringing Bev's lies to the surface does not necessarily mean that other work can be done. Election reform is the most important thing to people in the ER forum. Having said that, Bev's manipulation, outright lies, rip-offs of the work of others and her disgraceful behavior concerning Andy must never be forgotten. She hurts our cause.

David and many others (including me) do not want Bev to sucker any more people than she already has. Think about it - almost $1 million to audit Florida and what is there to show for it? Nothing. The Qui Tam in California - what is there to show for that? Nothing. The money she earned from DUers - what do we have to show for that? Nothing except threats of a lawsuit and Bev's banishment from DU.

BeFree, you have been a welcome and hardworking partner in the fight for election reform. You are free to support Bev, not support Bev, put all of us on ignore, whatever. We are just trying to pull back the curtain and show folks the truth about Bev.

Do not think for one moment, BeFree, that others on this thread are ignoring the important election reform work and just "going after" poor, little Bev. That is the equivalent of * saying, "You're either with us or against us." Being against Bev does not mean that we are for Diebold or against election reform. It means just what it means - we do not support her, her actions or the way that she treats people up to and including slander of their characters. We don't support being ripped off and lied to and accused of God knows what all.

Unfortunately, election reform is not pretty. Bev is one of the reasons why. With actions like this (not accounting for the donations or the Qui Tam money), she hurts our cause as surely as Diebold and ES&S.

You are free to ignore all of these threads. You are free to ignore the evidence put forward in these types of threads.

Because of Andy, I cannot ignore them.

Peace to you, BeFree.

[troubleinwinter]

54. The subject

isn't really about what posters on this thread "say about anything else".

The subject at hand is Qui Tam $68,500 donation, BBV. Not listed in tax filing.

[Boredtodeath]

53. Kick n/t

.