CNN Aaron Brown made conflicting report on the Cuyahoga County extra votes

[sabra]

<<Cuyahoga County Precincts - Revised!

Source: http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id20.html

"There are redundant numbers when looking at what seem to be "extra" votes in various precincts. These redundant numbers represent the absentee ballots."

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However Brown just reported on CNN that the extra votes were just data entry errors. For example he referred to one county where the number of reported votes was ~18k and registrations was ~13k, that in actuality it should have been posted as 8k votes, that the extra "1" was an entry error.

Hmm... Sounds like CNN got a different excuse then the one that the author at americans4america stated she received from Cuyahoga County.

Is it just me or is something still not "adding up"? This is screaming for an investigation!

[Pirate Smile]

1. I didn't see the report. Did they discuss anything else?

[sabra]

2. Here's a thread that has more detail on the report

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=39176&mesg_id=39176

[Critical Thinker]

3. explanatiions still don't jive

with the numbers.

And-oh-by-the-way, it seems that the raw canvassing data has been removed from the Cuyohoga BOE website - kinda fishy, wouldn't you say? Go ahead, follow this link and click on the "Nov 2 canvassing report" (hint: Error: The page cannot be found)!!!

http://www.cuyahoga.oh.us/BOE/results/canvas.htm

[PROGRESSIVE1]

4. we need to have those machines impounded at once!

[four more wars]

5. We HAVE to be carefull when we call FRAUD

Because if we get it wrong, we fall for the Bush/Cheney/Rove trap and look like tin foil hatters and lose ALL credibility. Please see my earlier post:

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First off, whilst I have lurked for a while, this is my first post. So please don't assume I am a Freeper looking to discredit the fraud, but when I first saw the results for Cuyahoga county I was amazed and thought that we had found the smoking gun. I visited the site and extracted the information into excel so I could run some numbers myself. This is what I found:

Total Registered Votes = A
Total Ballots Cast = B
turnout = B/A

these give a turnout figure of about 60%

Then they breakdown the results to individual Wards, some of which are then broken down into Precincts. ALL the crazy results are where they are split into Precincts. So, for a Ward

Total Registered Voters = x
Registered voters Precinct a = xa
Registered voters precinct b = xb
Registered voters Precinct c = xc

now, obviously x should = xa+xb+xc, and in all cases it does.

then we move on to Ballots cast, which again follows the formula

Total Ballots Cast = y
Ballots Cast Precint a = ya
Ballots Cast Precint b = yb
Ballots Cast Precint c = yc

now, again y should = ya+yb+yc however in some cases this is NOT the case, and y is much larger than it should be.

in these cases y is even larger than x so y/x, which should give turnout % is above 100%.

AH HA I thought, here is the proof we needed. However, I thought to run 1 last check. What happens if I manually add up all the ballots cast from each of the Ward totals?. This should equal total Ballots cast for the county. So I did, and unfortunately it is much bigger than B from above. So what happens if I manually correct the individual ward totals to remove the error? I did, re-added and this gave a correct total for B.

So what i concluded was that while the individual ward totals are incorrect and show a crazy turnout, the actual results for the county appear to match the totals by precinct.

I understand that because this is my first post it will be viewed with sceptisim. So I have deliberately left out the numbers so that some of you members with a higher post count can go check the figures yourselves. If I am wrong please post back.

I post this because I think that the vote was definately stolen by Bushco and I worry that things like this have been set up to set us all looking in the wrong places.

What if CNN HAD run this story and then had to go back and say 'sorry guys, actually we got it wrong, it was just a small adding error on the website and it looks like everything was fine.

Bang, there goes our credibility next time we scream FRAUD.

Rob

[Critical Thinker]

6. pls 'splain me something

you wrote: "So what happens if I manually correct the individual ward totals to remove the error?"

I'm not following - (what is and/or how did) you determine the "error" value that you manually subtracted from the precinct totals?

[four more wars]

9. OK, Maths = My thing, English = Not, here goes:

what I mean is,

the sum for all precincts in a ward, it should equal the total for the ward. But It doesn't.

Now, if this incorrect value is carried forward to the county total we have a problem with the county result. ie more ballots than voters.

But, if you add up the total ballots by ward it does not match the total votes for the county. If you correct the false addition for the ward totals to accurately reflect the real and published precinct total it DOES match the county total.

Hence, I conclude that in this instance, it is due to a problem with the website, not with the overall result for the county.


Again, I believe there was fraud, I beleive the result was stolen. All I am saying is lets be really carefull before we shout FRAUD, because if we get it wrong once, we lose what little credibility we have.

Rob

[On the Road]

7. I Added Up the Raw Totals from the Individual Polling Stations

last night, and they add up correctly to the official votes for Cuyahoga County. If you like, I can send the spreadsheet.

However, the individual polling stations do not add up to the precinct totals in every case. This is where the absentee ballots were added in, but they were not carried over to the official totals.

[sabra]

8. How do you know how many absentee ballots to add to each precint?

"This is where the absentee ballots were added in, but they were not carried over to the official totals."

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[On the Road]

11. It Didn't Matter

because the absentee ballots were included on separate lines, and ALSO included in the precinct subtotals. When you ignored the precinct subtotals (the ones that resulted in turnout over 100%), everything added up and reconciled to the official vote count.

[four more wars]

10. you've got it

this is what I tried to explain, but fell over myself.

too many spreadsheets not enough plain english.