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sandersadu Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:11 AM
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The Big 4 - K/E + DEAN + CLARK
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/3/115810/894


Above is a really good article in DailyKos about Dean's performance on Russert. It's quite long, but worth the read.

Here's the point - Dean along with General Clark are both national treasures that we are lucky to have in our party. They deserve to have their status elevated beyond mere "surrogates." Both of them brought tens of thousands of new people to our party, and quite simply are the most eloquent spokesmen for our party (save K/E of course:)

Between now and election day, Kerry & Edwards must make it crystal clear that Dean and Clark will have a role beyond Nov. 2. It should be hinted that Dean will take over the DNC and Clark will be Secretary of State (please no suggestions of Sec. of Defense!).

It will fire up their legions of supporters, elevate the role of two prominent spokespeople, and besides when Kerry wins, we'll have two more really great leaders for our party.

Whaddya think?

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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:15 AM
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1. I'd rather see...
Dean take HHS
Big Dog as Sec of State (no one else could have the respect of the world to fix this mess)
Clark - dunno.. my natural is Sec of Defense (I know! I know!) but I think we NEED Clinton as Sec of State.

and someone please put Bobby Kennedy, Jr in charge of the EPA.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 02:07 AM
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10. Please keep Dean away from poor people's health care
He did his damnedest to destroy access to pain management for the poor of Vermont, in a bout of political grandstanding. The only thing that prevented him at that time was federal regulations. If he gets his hands on the Medicaid regulations at a Federal level, he'd cripple and kill 100,000+ pain patients in the name of "saving" 50-100 oxycontin junkies (many of whom would then go out and find something else to OD on).

I know, firsthand -- I'm a chronic pain patient in Vermont who survived Dean's war on poor people in pain.

Real pain patients, by the way, almost never become addicted to pain management drugs (in studies, the addiction rate is about 1 in 1000). In fact, unlike ordinary pain drugs like Vicodin, it's almost impossible to get high on the chronic and terminal severe pain drugs, when used correctly. These drugs are compounded to release small amounts of the drug continuously, and blood levels rarely rise high enough to alter the user's mental state. So when you hear junkie Rush blame a legitimate post surgical prescription for having "accidentally" addicted him, know he's just making up more excuses and lies. He had to have sought out a doctor who was willing to inappropriately prescribe a chronic severe pain drug for his acute pain, and then he had to intentionally take too much of it, or crush it to defeat the time release, in order to have felt much of anything at all. And all that could have been no accident.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 10:17 AM
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17. Hi Oak2004!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:17 AM
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2. Those are the positions those two should take.
Or give Dean HHS or Surgeon General.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 07:35 AM
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16. Dean has a bigger voice than the Surgeon General's office.
We need him at the forefront. He made it "okay" for Kerry to say all the things he did last Thursday...he paved the way. DNC chair all the way, I hope.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:17 AM
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3. Howard Dean has a good position as the leader of
Democracy for America, www.democracyforamerica.com

Dean doesn't need another job.
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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:19 AM
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4. My feelings exactly. These guys have been fantastic for Kerry, and real
class acts to put away the rancor of the primaries and jump both feet first into helping Kerry for the general election.
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katusha Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:23 AM
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5. as an old clarkie
Edited on Mon Oct-04-04 12:26 AM by katusha
i would like to see clark as NSA more and more and holbrooke as sec state. those two have worked as a team before with pretty effective results.

i really, really, really like dean to replace terry macawful. plus with dean as head of DNC we could take back the house in 06.
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sandersadu Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:31 AM
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6. Another Point
I think another point in all this, is that from a communications strategy, Democrats need to make it clear who our "horses" are. Sometimes we have so many spokespeople and surrogates that the message gets lost or watered down.

Elevating Dean and Clark "in the public's mind" is what I'm talking about. Let's put our best face front and forward!


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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 07:34 AM
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I agree. Clark, NSA. Holbrooke, SOS.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 07:34 AM
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15. I agree. Clark, NSA. Holbrooke, SOS.
nt
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:43 AM
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7. Yes Rosco...Robert Kennedy Jr. as EPA Chief..
I cannot think of anyone else who deserves this position, and who else this worn out world deserves to guide it back to health.

RKennedy jr has the compassion, knowledge, and genuine concern that is critical.

His time has come, Planet Earth should be so blessed as to have this fine man as its chief caretaker.

It will certainly take the best qualified to heal what Bush's mere 4 years have destroyed.

It will take a lot of work, honesty, respect and dedication to hand future generations a world they can live in.

May the John Kerry administration show the future stewards of the world how it can be done. The right way.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 12:46 AM
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8. Dean and Clark are first-class people to use in the campaign
Absolutely first-class. Dean did a beautiful job recently on Russert of being true to his own ideology while simultaneously helping out Kerry where he needs it. Two smart guys we'd do well to keep around as long as possible.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 01:11 AM
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9. Yes, Clark as NSA, Dean at DNC, Clinton SofS
and bring back the clinton economic guys. Rubin in particular. We gotta fix what Bush broke and fast.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:45 AM
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11. Not sure I agree with the conclusion
The thought of Dean heading the DNC is interesting, though I never favored him for president.

I think the thing that was really appealing about these two people to their constituents was their free thinking and unconstrained speech. I'm a die-hard Clarkie and the idea of Wes remaining a free agent is not unappealing to me.

We'll see.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 06:16 AM
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12. Since the polls show Kerry weakest on Iraq and terrorism
I think Kerry should let it "leak" that Clark would be his SOS. That would ease the minds of people who for whatever reason think the chimp is strong on terror. That would would last for a few days and bring a LOT of people to his campaign. Howard Dean should definitely be a part of the administration...I don't know about the DNC though.

Kerry should leak it TOMORROW that CLARK will be SOS!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 06:36 AM
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13. I heard Howard while driving through DC yesterday
what a breath of fresh air!!

I never thought I would say I love Howard Dean -- y'all KNOW I love Wes, but now I love Howard too...

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 07:32 AM
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14. Kerry's Iraq war rhetoric during the debate was word for word, Wes Clark's
So was his plan.
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