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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:45 AM
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OBAMA CAMPAIGN: Gergen had a brilliant response to McCain/Palin charge of "redistribution" charges
I posted in another post about this issue, but the Obama campaign had the PERFECT answer given to them on a silver platter. I thought Gergen was brilliant when talking about this "issue" and it is certainly something the Obama campaign needs to broadcast immediately.

Here is the answer (from Anderson Cooper 360 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/27/acd.01.html):

COOPER: It's certainly a question the McCain campaign has kind of been hammering at, portraying Obama as a socialist. You hear that on -- on the Palin campaign as well.

Is it working?

GERGEN: They may be making some modest progress with it, Anderson. We did see some evidence of McCain coming up a point or two here and there. I don't think it's anywhere near close enough to win an election. And more importantly, I don't think the Democrats have really answered it appropriately.

You know, Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, was very much an advocate of what's called progressive taxation. Ad that is the rich pay more than the poor in terms of taxes.

Now, one of the most effective popular programs we've had in the last three decades. It's called the earned income tax credit. It's a program whereby, if you're a working person, a working couple and you're below the poverty line, the government will actually give you money. That's a redistributed program. It's a program which takes money from the upper classes and gives it to the lower -- to the working poor.

Now who started that program? The earned income tax credit? Ronald Reagan. It was one of the -- it was an achievement of the Reagan administration that Bill Clinton then built on.

So I think that these arguments are -- you know, some of them get so carried away that they don't recognize the realities of what we've been going through in public policy and the big arguments about why the wealth over the last 30 years has been redistributed. It's been redistributed upwards.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/27/acd.01.html

Other Republican Presidents who supported "redistribution of wealth":

"I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective: a graduated inheritance tax increasing rapidly with the size of the estate.”
- Theodore Roosevelt

“Every dollar spent by the government must be paid for either by taxes or by more borrowing with greater debt. The only way to make more tax cuts now is to have bigger and bigger deficits and to borrow more and more money. Either we or our children will have to bear the burden of this debt. This is one kind of chicken that always comes home to roost. An unwise tax cutter, my fellow citizens, is no real friend of the taxpayer."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

In 1986, Reagan signed legislation greatly increasing the earned income tax credit, a credit for low-income workers that reduces the impact of payroll taxes in order to boost take-home pay above poverty levels. When the credit is more than the amount of federal income taxes owed by an individual, that person receives a tax “refund.”

“It's the best anti-poverty, the best pro-family, the best job creation measure to come out of Congress.”
- Ronald Reagan

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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:49 AM
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1. This needs a thousand recommendations - I'll be #1
Edited on Tue Oct-28-08 08:49 AM by Richardo
:patriot:
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IllinoisBirdWatcher Donating Member (244 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 11:44 AM
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28. Please cross-post this to all Democratic blogs.
I missed this one on CNN. Everyone should know about it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:49 AM
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2. This notion that what Barack is suggesting is socialism is a load of hoo ha..
..... we've been doing it for years and everyone knows it.

Can't wait for after the election and the real John McCain comes back out and laughs saying, "the craziest thing was when we tried to convince everyone that President-elect Obama was a socialist. We knew it wouldn't take, but we had nothing else to offer! Crazy times, ha ha."
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:59 PM
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65. It is a form of democratic socialism, we've been doing for a long long time.
The real question is this, is it wrong?

Democratic socialism isn't inherently evil or unfair..

It's just an argument of how much, which will always be debated.

McCain's refundable $5k health care credit is the same democratic socialism.

Personally I think it would go over better if it was directed at subsidized job training. As well as more helpful to society.

For example, when I was young and unskilled, a state on the job training program paid half my salary to my employer for the first two years, allowing him to hire a trainee at half price, and me to obtain a skill that quadrupled my earing power in two years.

The state has mad a lot of profit from that expenditure on me, and it would be hard to call it a handout.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 05:57 AM
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96. one little difference here-
"McCain's refundable $5k health care credit is the same democratic socialism."

with the exception that the money goes directly to HMO's and insurance organizations- NOT to the families. one might argue that that is corporate welfare- but i content that it's fascism at work rather than "socialism".
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:50 AM
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3. Gergen is right...
I have not heard one Dem on TV or anyone from the Obama team explain it the way Gergen did on CNN...
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holiday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:51 AM
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4. kick
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INdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:19 AM
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19. Copy and paste or send this as an attachment or whatever to the Obama
campaign.I'm not sure I know how to do this...I have emailed his campaign with suggestions and have gotten an answer both times.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:48 PM
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40. Gergen is wrong, it's the Earned INCOME Credit
and has absolutely nothing to do with income taxes and never did. It was an incentive to cover payroll taxes so that people wouldn't make less working than they did on welfare.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:00 PM
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81. IRS refers to it as both EIC, a tax credit, and EITC:
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chomper Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:53 AM
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5. kick
someone should send this to the Obama people.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:28 PM
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101. I guarantee you they know about it
They don't miss a thing.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:54 AM
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6. I heard Gergen say that too...
...and I was hoping someone from the Obama campaign was taking notes.

We can't let that "redistribution" meme spread fear and doubt--not even 1 percent.

Smack it down with a hammer!

K&R
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livedemocarticordie Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:59 AM
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7. yeah well morning joe
needs to get the memo because when john harwood brought up a similar point this morning JOE seemed dazed, flummoxed and freaked out.. stupid and clueless....I hope BARACK really gets on this tax thing tomorrow night!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:00 AM
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8. Kick the thread and the answer to the front page! n/t
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:04 AM
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9. K&R
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:05 AM
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10. K&R
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:06 AM
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11. Generally, Gergen gets it right
I really like his commentary the majority of the time. He's soft-spoken, clear and one of the least partisan of the commentators that I've seen.

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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:07 AM
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12. Agree with Gergen that the Dems need to hit back harder on this.
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:09 AM
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13. I heard it too - it's the perfect response.
Not that the morons who attend McCain campaigns would either understand or care. But on the pundit shows, I hope they start repeating it.
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MelSC Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:10 AM
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14. I am extremely impressed with David Gergan
I find myself nodding in agreement with almost everything that comes out of his mouth these days. He's intelligent and rational and I find it hard to believe that he served in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations.
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Lucy Goosey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:12 AM
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15. k&r
:kick:
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:14 AM
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16. Great Argument for passing bills
But in a campaign, if you have to explain, you lose. This is not the time for teaching moments or explaining policy. It is a time for staying on YOUR message, not combating theirs. If you defend the EITC, or in any way suggest that "yes, I'm for income redistribution" you're dead. Better just to declare that you are for giving 95% of the population a tax cut and that "Joe the plumber will be better off under me". When it comes time to actually pass the tax measures, these arguments will be important.
Not now.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:15 AM
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17. David Gergen is one of the BEST political commenters on TV today IMO!
You can send an email here:

http://www.davidgergen.com/index.php?page=contact

Thanks David for being so fair and honest! Not many of those kind of people around!
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MelSC Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:24 AM
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20. Just sent him an email
Thank you for the link!
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:41 AM
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24. Thanks for the email link. He's one of my favorites. n/t
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stoge18 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:01 PM
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30. Agreed! Quite possbily THE best.
He's fair, insightful, honest, objective, and even kinda funny at times. After the third debate, when asked what John McCain does the next day, Gergen thought for a seconde and said, "Beats the hell outta me."

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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 03:04 PM
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70. He has been for many years. At least since 1988 Gergen & Shields commentaries on PBS News Hour.
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Dinosaur13 Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:18 AM
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18. K&R
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:25 AM
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21. I sent this to some Obama staffers I know...
Hopefully we'll be seeing more of this... hopefully an ad.

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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:35 AM
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23. excellent idea
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:33 AM
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22. .
:kick:
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bobd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:08 AM
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25. K&R
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 11:35 AM
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26. K&R. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 11:38 AM
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27. Rec'd~ And a
:kick:
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:00 PM
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29. This, BTW, is how I shut up a room full of GOP tax preparers yesterday.
One of them started about Obama's tax plan redistributing wealth. The rest started huffing and puffing and agreeing. I said from my little spot in the back, "What do you think the EIC is??"

That shut them up.

One of the main ways tax firms make money is selling refund anticipation loans that are based on the EIC.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:03 PM
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31. I didn't know that! Talk about the perfect response!
:rofl:
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d.amber Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:17 PM
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32. kick and kick..
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:30 PM
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33. K&R!
Those quotes, along with the clip of McInsane himself saying the rich should "pay a little more" should be IMMEDIATELY made into an ad.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:30 PM
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34. Unfortunately if you can't reduce it to a one line sound bite
the people won't listen.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:06 PM
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49. And then we wonder why the nation is in the dire straits it has found itself.
Iraq War Resolution = necessary - otherwise mushroom cloud over American city.

Recent Bailout legislation - necessary as is - Much better to do something totally off the wall than nothing at all. Even if it means leaving the same people in charge who brought about the financial mess.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:32 PM
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35. Obama has brought up the EIC in his speeches and said
it was a Reagan program...
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:01 PM
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46. Maybe he should
SAY IT LOUDER!!!!
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LesserFool Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:42 PM
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36. Ask Team McPalin If they are proposing to abolish the progressive tax system?
John McCain and Sarah Palin are banking on the historical illiteracy of the American people. Which is one bet that crap-shooter McCain can make with a good chance of hitting the mark. Sad, to say.

Rather than answering this in a defensive response, Team Obama can easily turn this around and ask Team McPalin whether they are proposing to rollbak the progressive tax system with all their rhetoric against it? If not, they need to shut up and talk about real issues, instead of beating on straw men.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:46 PM
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37. Exactly. Besides Alaska pays no sales or state tax and has been redistributing the wealth for years
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:46 PM
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38. Ack, no, it was the Earned Income Credit
It was supposed to help offset FICA taxes - not INCOME taxes. Bush changed it to Income Tax credit so they could say they were giving money to people who didn't pay taxes.

I hate when these people don't know what the fuck they're talking about. This is a HORRIBLE argument.
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 02:54 PM
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69. I don't have time to research this
But could you answer in a separate post a rebuttal to get this right and clear? See post above: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7635387#7638463
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:47 PM
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39. Norway Actively Redistributes Wealth with the Blessings of the Rich
Highly educated, excellent social programs....if only.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:52 PM
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41. Giving tax breaks to the middle class is Socialism, Giving tax breaks to Mega rich is republicanism
I think Obama is doing a good job beating down the "spread the wealth" smear. He just needs to keep tying McTroll to Bush's failed economic policy of redistributing wealth to the Mega rich and corps moving jobs overseas.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:07 PM
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50. Your subject line summed it up beautifully!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:56 PM
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42. EXACTLY!!!!
I thought the same thing! YOU had the sense to write about it!
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 12:57 PM
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43. BULLSHIT. The rich DO NOT pay more taxes than the poor
The only tax that we have that is even a little progressive is the income tax, and with a good financial planner, the rich can mostly negate that one.

Property tax, sales tax, sewer tax, water tax, vehicle tax, you name it. All these taxes are REGRESSIVE, meaning that the lower income people pay a far higher percentage of their income on those taxes. When you net it out, our tax system is REGRESSIVE. It is just plain bullshit to say that the rich pay higher taxes. They do not.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:01 PM
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44. Certainly no one line sound bite, that people & media look for each day on television news
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:01 PM
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45. Let's break it down. ANY tax takes money from someone and re-distributes it elsewhere. And not
always to poor people, either. Any tax break for one group but not others also re-distributes wealth. So does propping up prices or giving farm subsidies or buying surplus foods and so forth. We've been re-distributing wealth here, there and everywhere as long as government has existed. Tobacco companies. Farmers. Oil companies. Pharmaceutical comapanies. The disabled. McCain is being dishonest, period.
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BlueDonkey08 Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 04:11 PM
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71. Agreed 100%
If they really hate socialism, why don't they just get rid of all taxes? Eh?

BTW, a big K&R. :kick:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:41 PM
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74. Excellent point- taxes go to govt subsidies for corps.
Bushed passed some farm bill a few years ago that subsidized big agri business.

These is fear mongering by repugs who imply it's all going for welfare.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:02 PM
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47. K&R n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:03 PM
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48. Teddy Roosevelt is one of McCain's Heroes
he said so in the first debate.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:26 PM
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55. That's part of what makes Gergen's response so brilliant
Obama should pounce on it ASAP -throw the policies one of McCain's professed "heroes" right smack dab in his face.
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:08 PM
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51. Ronald Regan supported "Redistribution of Wealth"
That message should work great!!
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JJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 05:58 PM
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72. Well known that Reagan was a commie
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wizstars Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:34 AM
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99. "Ronald Reagan hated Commies....
"Ronald Reagan hated Commies,
He hunted them all his life;
The only one he didn't get
Was married to his wife."


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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:11 PM
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52. K&R
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:19 PM
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53. George Will on Sunday's "This Week" on ABC:
"95% of what the government does is redistribute the wealth. It operates on the principle of concentrated benefits and dispersed costs. Case in point: we have sugar subsidies. It costs the american people billions of dollars, but they don't notice it, it is in such small increments. but the sugar growers get very rich on this. Now we have socialism for the strong, that is the well represented and organized in Washington, like sugar growers, but it is socialism nonetheless, and it is not new."
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:49 PM
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62. Exactly!!!
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MelSC Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:55 PM
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64. Has George Will endorsed Obama yet?
It seems like he has nothing good to say about McCain so why would he still vote for him?
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 02:03 PM
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66. Many months ago Will said Ron Paul was his candidate...
...but he may have been joking. It's very hard to tell with George Will.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 07:08 PM
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75. He May Have Meant It
George Will seems to be an old school Republican
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:23 PM
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54. K&R
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meuniermr Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:30 PM
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56. David Gergen is a globalist CFR stooge.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:44 PM
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60. which is relevant how?
Guy's got a good point, I don't care what acronym he's a stooge of.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:33 PM
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57. I made a video of some of the statements...
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:35 PM
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58. Reagan should not get all the credit there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Reform_Act_of_1986

I have not found a voting history, but the bill was originally sponsored by Democrats - Dick Gephardt in the House and Bill Bradley in the Senate.

Some of its provisions are not so good either, like the reduction of the top rate from 50% to 28%. Made the income tax much flatter and less progressive. Hard to tell if Reagan is supporting the EIC or just using the EIC provision as a way to sell yet another tax cut for the very rich.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 02:31 PM
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67. The point is that Republican "heroes" embraced "redistribution of wealth"
Of course Democrats care about the poor... the point is that the very people that McCain says he stands with, namely Teddy Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan, were for "redistribution of wealth" programs...
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:47 PM
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86. Thanks for posting, I mean tot look that up. I knew it couldn't have been Reagan's idea
but I had gotten around to looking. I also meant to look up who idea is was it force Toyota to build some of it's cars in the US, when the US auto industry was in it's last mess the the trade imbalance with Japan was the big worry. Instead of with China... hit hit ;)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:36 PM
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59. Rethugs simply borrowed debt for years and look where we are. They never balanced budgets.
Nope, it was Clinton who did that. This "redistribution of wealth" is a crock. It is going back to where it was before Bush redistributed it to begin with! What was Bush doing then? Giving a few tax breaks at the top but it didn't change wealth at all? LOL. Whatever, McInsane.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:48 PM
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61. K & R
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 01:51 PM
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63. The sad thing is, the people who believe this socialism talk
most likely can't even define the word properly.

k/r
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 02:49 PM
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68. K&R
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 06:05 PM
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73. Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt, two republicans who might have earned my vote.
k&r.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 07:09 PM
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76. FINALLY
A good response to the charges.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 07:29 PM
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77. Recommendation #199. n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:39 PM
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78. I heard him say that. I didn't know that. Obama campaign should be prepared to say that.
People just don't know these things (incl. me!).
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:42 PM
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79. McCain says he's in favor of it...
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 08:43 PM
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80. Here have another!
K & R
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:06 PM
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82. The more I hear from David Gergen, the more I like him.
I've been enjoying seeing him weigh in on the campaigns this year - he's extremely intelligent, calm, and down-to-earth, which I really admire. :) This is an excellent example; thanks for sharing.
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Johnny2X2X Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:28 PM
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83. Used these arguments
Silenced an entire Message board full of Republican's who were screaming that Obama is a Socialist.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:30 PM
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84. k&r
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 09:32 PM
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85. Happily Rec #225
That about says it all and should be raised by Obama and Biden both every single day.
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pam4water Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 10:32 PM
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87. There is probably a whole thread some where and they mention it on CountDown but Palin Redistrubutes
the wealth herself.


<Snip>
Republicans in Congress this June united to defeat a proposed windfall tax on oil companies, deriding it as a bad idea that would discourage investment in U.S. oil exploration.

Things worked out far differently in the GOP stronghold of Alaska, a state whose economic fate is closely tied to the oil industry.

...

Alaska collected an estimated $6 billion from the new tax during the fiscal year that ended June 30, according to the Alaska Oil and Gas Association. That helped push the state's total oil revenue — from new and existing taxes, as well as royalties — to more than $10 billion, double the amount received last year.

...

Some of that new cash will end up in the wallets of Alaska's residents.

Palin's administration last week gained legislative approval for a special $1,200 payment to every Alaskan to help cope with gas prices, which are among the highest in the country.

That check will come on top of the annual dividend of about $2,000 that each resident could receive this year from an oil-wealth savings account.

State Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat who supported the windfall tax, said the oil companies " ... were literally printing money on the North Slope. We decided to strike the balance a little bit more on our side."...
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http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html
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sarah FAILIN Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-08 11:56 PM
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88. KO called her a communist because of that, lol!!
The video's just been put up on DU, it had her talking about community ownership of the wealth or something like that. :D
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Syano Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:05 AM
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89. Kick
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:27 AM
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90. Spreading wealth!?? how much has the income gap increased between rich and poor in the last 8 years?
It's criminal how the top 1% are living right now compared to the bottom 25%. All Obama's plan would do is restore A FRACTION of justice to the system. The only people complaining about this are rich and greedy or the foolish. Everyone else will benefit from a little restoration of balance!
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:30 AM
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91. KICK AND RECOMMENDED ---
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:50 AM
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92. Pres. Gerald Ford (R) began the EITC, Reagan re-enacted it,
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mamameow Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 01:53 AM
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93. redistribution/class warfare!!!???
you betcha', we have been in a class warfare every time a repubic gets elected. it is war on the middle class. redistribution, say it isn't so! but it is and repubics do it all the time. poppy bush called this redistribution, voodoo economics when david what's his name proposed it. it does not work. to expect the top 10% to "trickle down" to us is ludicrous!! they do not even see us!!!!! we are just those specks that pay up to them, hoping they will trickle it down. shades of marie antoinette. this redistribution is crap and the dems better start blowing the hot air out of this repubic balloon. people are so stupid not to see the only redistribution is upward. i cannot believe anyone below the 10% would even listen---oh yeah, i forgot they watch fox!!!!!!!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 03:02 AM
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94. This is exactly what I was hoping would be said.
The Obama Campaign needs to really hammer this point home.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 04:07 AM
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95. another way to make the hypocrites eat their "spread the wealth" put-down:
<< Luke 3:11 >>

"He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise." (KJV)


Isn't that "spreading the wealth" ????

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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:45 AM
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97. No, that is spreading the coats and meat.
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:56 PM
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103. LOL!
nt
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:23 AM
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98. I've been saying stuff like this for weeks.
Call Reagan a socialist, call Nixon a socialist. Why? Cause they're right wing hero's and their tax policies were more socialist than Obama's. Not sure why the campaign hasn't figured this out yet...
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:44 AM
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100. But
How does this sit with Joe the Plummer.
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:43 PM
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102. LOL. I love it. Throw Reagan back in their face! n/t
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 01:01 PM
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104. I've always liked Gergen - he usually makes so much sense!
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