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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:00 AM
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Wes Clark Endorses Sebelius for Obama's VP
I'm surprised by this one. I thought Clark would be on the Clinton bandwagon for this one. Maybe Clinton knows she won't be VP.

Wes Clark floats Obama-Sebelius


"Wes Clark stopped out in Texas yesterday to drop by a fundraiser Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius headlined for Michael Skelly, a Democrat running for congress in Texas.

"Clark introduced Sebelius and, according to a regular correspondent and reliable source who was there, said:

"The London odds-makers say that Kathleen Sebelius is the odds-on favorite to be the next vice
president. I can tell you, she'd make a great vice presidential choice."

"He then introduced her as "The next vice president of the United States...."

"Sebelius is typically considered for the slot only if Obama is the nominee."

"A sign of the times from a Clinton loyalist.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:03 AM
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1. I think Wes Clark would be an excellent VP choice for Obama
As would Kathleen Sebelius.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:52 AM
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34. I prefer Clark
I think he'll pull away some of the pro-military moderates from McCain.

I also think that since he endorsed Clinton, he'd bring some of the "I'll never vote for Obama" Clinton supporters back to the party.

He's smart, southern, retired military and a Clinton supporter.

Makes it a slam-dunk for that ticket.

Richardson would make an excellent Secretary of State.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:18 AM
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40. I prefer Clark as well.
For all the reasons MissMillie stated.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:20 AM
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41. Agreed, for those reasons you stated, he would make a good choice.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:27 AM
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46. I agree. (With your entire post.)
:thumbsup:
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:03 AM
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2. Interesting. Although I'd prefer Selelius not be on the ticket.
She's about as dry as a saltine cracker. That's not a diss - I just think Obama needs someone with strong FP experience who can be an attack dog for him.
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miles 2 go Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:15 AM
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18. I agree
Unfortunately, putting a woman on as his VP is gonna fuel the "too weak to handle attacks" debate. I think he needs someone who appears strong in body and words. Since there are fears of him being assassinated, (inside job cough cough) he needs to have someone who can alleviate the uncertainty of that circumstance.

By putting a woman on with him he is inviting most of the stuff they were gonna use against Clinton.

I'm not saying it's right, just that it's how I think it will go.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:10 AM
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37. but there is no sexism in this race...
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:03 AM
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3. Reminds me of the weird compliment Tweety gave her the other day. Something like, she is an
impressive up-and-coming leader.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:11 AM
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11. A rising star perhaps? We all know where that takes ya! :)
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:04 AM
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4. haha, interesting.
It's so funny to hear about the VP prospects commenting on other VP prospects. Last Sunday, Jim Webb on Clark and Strickland (I'll leave out Powell, because that was really random and obviously out of nowhere), and now Clark.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:04 AM
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5. hmm, very interesting.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:05 AM
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6. Funny after the slamming and spinning Wes has done he thinks anyone would listen to him from
the Obama camp.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:10 AM
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8. Very bad spin at that, stuff like that is noticed.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:11 AM
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10. Yup.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:15 AM
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30. Exactly why this is interesting to me. Perhaps a mea culpa of some type.
:shrug:
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:09 AM
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36. Exactly.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:11 AM
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38. Funny you don't know anything about politics.
Once the primary is over - NOBODY CARES WHAT WAS SAID.

If they did, then Bush wouldn't have been Reagan's Veep, Edwards wouldn't have been Kerry's and Johnson wouldn't have been Kennedy's.

Don't you pay attention to history?

The VP choice is not a love-fest - it's an exercise in winning.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:08 AM
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7. It must be what the Clinton camp wants him to push.
If they push a woman and Obama doesn't pick her they'll say he is sexist. Then if he does pick her they'll say he insulted Clinton. Sebelius doesn't have the national security credentials. The Clintons have already gotten the American public thinking about what will happen if the VP has to assume the office of the Presidency.

Schweitzer by his mere appearance makes you think he can keep this nation safe.

Clark should not be doing this. Obama needs to feel free to pick his own VP. As a former Clark supporter he is a HUGE disappointment.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:12 AM
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15. Now there's an angle I hadn't thought of. I'd lay odds you may be right on this.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:03 AM
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27. The Clintons are JR Ewing on steroids. They are constantly plotting and
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 10:04 AM by Skwmom
scheming. So when I hear anything, I wonder what is the angle.

Lost in the latest Bill Clinton story was that it was another example of the Clintons trying to poison the well for November.

I think she will work for him only so she can play the martyr and further outrage her hardcore supporters (thankfully I think this is a small group).
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:10 AM
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9. Wes Clark has been reading my posts. Shout out to ya General!!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:12 AM
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12. Alot of people
are going to make speculation. Picking VP is like choosing a pope. We won't know until the candidate appears somewhere with them on stage.
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:12 AM
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13. "Sebelius is typically considered for the slot only if Obama is the nominee."
Now there is an interesting observation.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:12 AM
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14. I'd rather have Clark himself. Sebelius can win us a Senate seat in Kansas.
Her term as Governor will be up just at the right time.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:24 AM
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44. Me too.
However, first I have to make people here understand that this is politics and not child's play. Just because someone supported someone else in the primaries or ran themselves or said something "bad" about someone else prior to the vote choosing the nominee does not automatically disclude that person from serving as the VP.

The VP choice is stragegic. It's not necessarily based on emotion or who one supported before we all "fall in line" behind the nominee.

Therefore, just because Clark supported Hillary or because Bill Richardson and Joe Biden ran against Obama, doesn't mean he won't choose any one of them. Those three, for example, have have more strategic pull than Sebelius in this instance. Maybe not so for another candidate, but for Obama, I'd think a white or Hispanic male with massive foreign policy experience and who hails from a certain demographic would be a more strategic choice to woo back in white voters and/or FP voters.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:13 AM
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16. I don't think either Clark or Sebelius would be a strong choice.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:15 AM
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17. No thanks. We're going to have a hard enough time as it is convincing the Bubba's that it's ok....
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 09:19 AM by truebrit71
...to elect a black man...but I fear that the thought of a white woman serving under a black man would be too much for their racist black hearts to handle...

I think the endorser would be a superb choice personally...
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:17 AM
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19. Women are NOT interchangeable!!!!
If he's going to pick a woman it better be offered first to Hillary.

Imagine the outrage of his supporters if Hillary were the nominee and she offered the VP position not to Obama, but to another AA politician.
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:28 AM
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20. Sebelius is a better choice
She doesn't have Hillary's full cargo hold of baggage, she's a sucessful chief executive, she's won in a red state, and she has roots in Ohio. She brings far more to the ticket than Clinton.

Hillary and her supporters really need to get over this tiresome sense of Boomer entitlement.

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:35 AM
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21. Not entitlement.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 09:36 AM by Beacool
Simply put, when two candidates each wins half of the votes of the Democratic party, then the one on top should give first choice to the one who came in second.
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gcomeau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:56 AM
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35. Bullshit.
The one on top should give first choice to the one who is the best fit for his candidacy and government.

Clinton may be a strong campaigner on her own, running for the top of the ticket... but Obama and Clinton DO NOT MIX. She destroys his strengths in crossover appeal and mobilizes McCain's base for him all in one blow, and what she brings in does not counter-balance that negative. It's idiocy to put her on the damn ticket. Would you people wake up and start paying attention for god's sake?
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:16 AM
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31. Sebelius has way more experience than Hillary, and not riding her husbands coattails.
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 10:22 AM by mystieus
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:41 AM
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23. Women are individuals

If he chooses a woman other than Hillary, it's because he either thinks she
is a better leader, or will be a more productive VP. Your theory is a bit off-
putting.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:31 AM
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47. Indeed.
I agree. It seems some just don't get it. The notion that Hillary has some demographic 'entitlement' is truly obnoxious. The objectification of human beings ... sorted by type ... is appalling.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:30 PM
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56. amen.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:41 AM
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24. Nope. Clean break. And Obama's doesn't want clintons over his shoulder in the White House.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:53 AM
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25. Clark, a Clinton supporter, making this suggestion
Edited on Tue Jun-03-08 09:54 AM by powergirl
Clark has always been a Clinton supporter. I agree that women and all people are not interchangeable. The interesting part of this article is not Sebelius, per se, but the fact that a loyal Clinton supporter made the suggestion.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:14 AM
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39. That wouldnt bother me at all.
In fact, I wouldnt WANT Obama on a Clinton ticket.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:23 AM
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42. I'm African American/ a woman and I would be thrilled
if it was an African American woman that I thought was qualified to be the VP.

That's just me.

I'm not voting for Sen. Obama because he is African American. I'm voting for him because he is my choice.

I did not vote for Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or Carol Mosley Braun and my parents did not vote for Shirley Chisholm.

In fact,we proudly voted for the White Male Democrat every time.

So what you are saying is that if he doesn't select Hillary, no other WOMAN will do?
How does that advance the chances for women being elected to high office?

I would need to consider the woman as I would a man. I will be voting for the Democratic ticket.

And, if Hillary wins, I feel sure that she would not select an African American male/female to run as her VP. I would never expect her to select Obama,she has said so many mean spirited remarks about him in this Primary.

I would not expect it or require it in order for me to vote for the ticket.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:33 AM
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48. I stated my views.
I think that both Obama and Hillary have earned the right to be on each other's ticket by the sheer amount of votes that they each have received and how close they have been in the pledged delegate count.

I have no idea if she's even interested in the position, but it should at least be offered.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 12:01 PM
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52. Surprisingly, I agree with this.
If we are going with a female VP, the most powerful one to go with would be Clinton.

But, I hope we just go with the best candidate, which would be Wes Clark, IMO.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:40 AM
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22. She would be a good choice.
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mystieus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 09:54 AM
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26. I approve this news.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:05 AM
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28. The political reality.
Sorry but it would be really unwise to have more than one "first" on the ticket at a time. To believe two firt-evers on a ticket is to give the American public way too much credit.

Julie
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miles 2 go Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:22 AM
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32. yep, agreed n/t
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frickaline Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:06 AM
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29. This strikes me as a good choice n/t
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 10:50 AM
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33. Wes should wait until we have a nominee for President
If Hillary gets the nod then a lot of seers are going to be blinded.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:24 AM
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43. Clark has been a loyal Hillary supporter throughout this campaign
When he says its over, you should take the hint.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:55 AM
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51. He told her three or four weeks ago that it was over.
She didn't listen.
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Lady-Damai Donating Member (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:25 AM
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45. Very weird... n/t
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:35 AM
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49. Yow!
I hope she's not as damned boring as I think she is.

Hmmmmm.......

David
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 11:40 AM
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50. I prefer Richardson by far.
He brings more experience to the table and brings in the Hispanic vote.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 03:37 PM
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53. I'm FINE with Sebelius, not Clark -- what about Barbara Boxer, or maybe Stabenow?
It should be a woman who NEVER supported the Iraq War Resolution, in my humble opinion.

That way the Dems will be unified, and ready to swamp McCain in Nov
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:28 PM
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54.  interesting...
is this the makeup to Hilary?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:29 PM
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55. I'm cool with that . I love Clark and respect Sebelius
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 04:44 PM
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57. BLAMMO!!! .................. Obama/Clark would wipe out the GOP ticket.
Gov. Bill Richardson as Secretary of State
Gen. Eric Shinseki as Secretary of Defense
Secretary of Homeland Security Richard Clarke
John Edwards as AG
Al Gore as head of the EPA

Every lower-level position hired by Bushler should be highly scrutinized, and many, if not all, of them fired.




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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-03-08 05:49 PM
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58. I'm All For That !!! - K & R !!!
Hillary can have HHS.

:shrug:
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