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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:35 PM Original message |
How you hear Hillary's remarks is a product of how you viewed her before she said them |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. THIS! This is why Obama takes his time before saying ANYTHING. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. She refuses to accept the idea that everyone's not in love with her. |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
21. for real. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
33. no. i react to assassinations this way for anyone. having seen my |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Just explain what she meant, then. |
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Buddyblazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I heard it as she was talking about a time of year... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. I'm beginning to see your point. |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Bill's campaign DID NOT LAST INTO JUNE! |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Thanks for the correction... |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Here is a clearer explanation of the circumstances in '68&'92 |
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DogPoundPup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. self delete |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
48. I heard one of the pundits say that she had the wrong campaign |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
26. I agree. And I support Obama too. nt |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #6 |
63. yeah, because we mark the calender by assassinations. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. There are no good reasons to invoke RFK |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. She was blowing a dog whistle... |
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Buddyblazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. I'm in the third party you mentioned. |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
5. Great post, ruggerson. I agree with most of it. I hope you are doing ok. |
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Patsy Stone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. I don't think she means him harm |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. o yes she does mean him harm. |
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last1standing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. What about those of us who think it's more of a Gerald Ford in 1976 gaffe? |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm not a supporter or a hater of Sen Clinton |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
54. As a matter of fact, Michelle doesn't seem haunted to me. |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Cough it up, what are you insinuating? That he's careless or a bad parent? |
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Mooney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. I concur. |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. I fall into category 3. But, man, do I wish she'd learn to say, "I made a mistake and I'm sorry". |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
12. Everyone should be appalled, however. It was truly ugly. |
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Ice-9 (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is a very, very thoughtful analysis. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. Speaking of Drudge, just like Mellon-Scaife, it seems she's getting along much more |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:27 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Go there now |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I dont use the times story, I use the reporting by Marc Ambinder |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. If they are, and the attempt was to woo him, they failed miserably |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Maybe the muslim photos, but not the internals |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
53. I'm 100% for Obama, but it's pretty clear to me that Drudge has had it out for Hillary for months. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Exactly |
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Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-23-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. I would be outraged |
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Jim Lane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
40. I too would be outraged, but this is completely different. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
22. Your post has every virtue except for being true. |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
23. Certainly there is bias, but the inability |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:10 AM Response to Original message |
24. I don't care for her but I leaned toward it being a gaff than malicious |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
28. "Gaffe prone"? She's a cold, calculating machiavel who panders to the lowest common denominator. |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
29. I don't think it was malicious in that she is *hoping* for assassination.... |
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Awsi Dooger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
45. I've had 5 arguments with my dad today |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #45 |
66. a sports analogy for Tiger Woods = Obama? Where have I heard one before? |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #29 |
55. You know, I am sure Hillary has also had assassination threats. |
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Lisa0825 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #55 |
61. That is not the point. Of COURSE she needs SS protection. |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
30. This is a very astute post. Recommended. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
46. I agree entirely |
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BigBearJohn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
32. Yep. We are expected to forgive Obama's BITTERGATE gaff, but oh no, not Hillary. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Unbelievable. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
35. Ruggerson, I have a different interpretation - please take a look |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:01 AM Response to Reply #35 |
43. but you're focusing on the "assassination" |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. How can anyone NOT focus on the "assassination part"? |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:38 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. It's the same reaction to the Kerry "botched joke" |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. That is true. But that is what made it so monumentally stupid. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
38. Yup. As all of these "breaking news" things go, interpretations fall along support lines. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
39. That would explain why the entire country is outraged. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:46 AM Response to Original message |
42. Allow me to disagree. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #42 |
44. That's very admirable |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
52. R&K. |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:25 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. Gee, is that why she's won every debate with him and, pray tell, |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:28 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. They are both democrats, there is hardly any difference in their platforms. |
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Frank Booth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Wow, that's a lot of anger you have there. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
56. 60% of Americans view her as untrustworthy. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
62. 3 x is not a gaffe; just like Bosnia mentioned 3 x is not a gaffe. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. But you are inclined to see everything in black and white |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. The outrage is real and universal. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Maybe I wasn't clear enough |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Maybe I wasn't clear enough. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Enjoy your day! |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. And let the record show |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. No, what you edited |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
72. Trying to find some value in the whole thing. |
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liberaldem4ever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
73. Great post! K&R |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
75. I had high hopes she would fight on policy issues alone not kitchen sink |
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demokatgurrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
76. As a former Clinton supporter, though not my first choice |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
77. The OP is a Tautology |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
78. i'm sick of the Clintons. |
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Buck Rabbit (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
79. I agree with your post. I am in the gaffe camp but .... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-24-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
80. I think it depends on how closely you've been listening... |
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