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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:46 PM Original message |
* Not so fast* Isn't this a clear violation of campaign finance law? |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. Look more closely... see who paid for the ad... eom |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. That's my point 527 and PAC committees are prohibited from running ads for candidates |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. You're mistaken. 527s have to comply with tax-exempt rules. PACs do not. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
60. Wrong ...... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Nope. They are a Section 527 PAC |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. a 527 is different than a PAC. A PAC must be registered with the FEC, a 527 does not ....... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. A FEC-registered, incorporated, 527 can not engage in 'Electioneering.' |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. A 527 is not allowed to advocate one candidate over another. PERIOD ........ |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Here is a link to a pretty chart and a nice summary from the IRS. Deal with it. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. ONLY if they are registered with FEC, which would then make them a PAC. Just ........ |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. GOOD LORD!! Which is it? Either the IRS or the FEC. Pick One. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Let me break this down for you under the simplest terms. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. One sentence in, and we already have problems. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. AND Gee. Here is their FEC link.... |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. Here is a nice link to IRC Section 527. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
80. This is YOUR work? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #29 |
106. Well, it's an ad, isn't it? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Of course it is. These people are so out of touch |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
55. I wouldn't assume. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't think so. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
27. That was in the 70s and thats why campaign finance reform was passed |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Electioneering Period SPECIFCALLY Excludes "Printed Media" |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
28. FEC - no ads within 30 days of a primary or caucus |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
47. FAIL |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
91. warning, time for a wikipedia edit war |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
4. Depends |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. It specifically says it is not affilliated with a campaign |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Not every 527 has to file FEC reports |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #11 |
26. yes they do and they get fined it just never makes the news |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. Not every 527 has to file FEC reports |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. 527s that run ads have to and they are prohibiged from running ads 30 days before a primary |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. HAHA |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
5. Aren't PACs allowed to do that? |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. You may be right |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I don't think so they are allowed to make contributions |
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bigbrother05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. check your inbox |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Here is what you sent me |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. What I found |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. WHOOPS. n/t |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
45. The hillary forum and hillary 44 are violating this clause also |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
99. Sure looks like campaign contribution solicitation to me. Remember Peter Paul? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. No. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
41. FEC v Wisconsin Right to Life -- No candidate ads 30 days before a primary |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
56. Yep No TV or RADIO ads |
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Diane R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 04:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. Am I the only one who has wondered why her hair isn't wet? I think she's under an awning. |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. I assumed it was photoshopped. Linda Rondstadt refused to use.... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. well mics are battery operated now but it probably is a photoshopped picture |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. Bring it |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. bring on what - scorn for openly violating laws that Democrats worked hard to get passed |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Your argument is flimsy, but by all means |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. The law says PACs are not to run ads within 30 days of a primary |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
93. Go for it |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
89. you do not seem to have won your argument. yet you smear this group. grow up. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. Probably, but... |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Actually it will be "NOT SO FAST, READY ON DAY ONE" |
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habitual (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. now that is funny! thanx. n/t |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
15. You're right: Nail them on it. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
62. Be glad you didn't! |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
19. Who cares |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. well it has an impact on the discussion and people contributing to the ad |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. Your bayonetting the wounded at this point |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Your bayonetting the wounded at this point --- great line |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. I stole it from a joke about my profession |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #50 |
101. (You're) |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #38 |
67. Good Idea!!! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
20. If there was an FEC left to complain to, I would. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
24. That is such a rock star pic. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. I agree. It's a great photo! |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Hahahaha... I just imagined her singing "If I Could Turn Back Time" by Cher. |
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LTR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 02:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
97. I hope to God Hillary doesn't show off her ass tattoos |
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Why Syzygy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #42 |
102. Cher did it at the Peter Paul fundraiser for Hillary which she and Bill now deny ever happened. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:20 PM Response to Original message |
31. Too bad you cut out the part that said I recreated that ad. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. FEC v Wisconsin Right to Life -- No candidate ads 30 days before a primary |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
59. Unfortunately, The USA Today Ad |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. Not quite the "whole thing." Interestingly, you left out this part... |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
100. GREAT AD M! |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
34. It's okay if in support of a clinton |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
63. It actually is OK for everyone :-) |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
98. Did I hear a buzzing sound? |
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Willo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
48. From their website |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
52. I don't know but do rules apply anymore anyway? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
53. YOU ARE WRONG. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. that is one section out of hundreds of sections |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. LOL....Did you even read it? |
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KAZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
57. Great work Grant! Though Jake has a point. I've haven't heard.. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. K&R !!! |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
64. Only way to find out is to file a complaint with the FEC. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Good Luck with That! :-) |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. here is the link |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:26 PM Response to Original message |
72. I have no idea, but I like her jacket. She looks cool in that picture. |
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Willo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
75. It seems it is legal. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. Yep. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I agree you appear to have answered the OP correctly first |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. Thanks for the mention. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:02 PM Response to Original message |
78. I'm a woman of this nation, and I don't remember being asked to endorse this. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. too bad. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 01:03 AM Response to Reply #90 |
94. It's definitely too bad if Hillary thinks women owe her "unwavering support" |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. It's one of the few gimmicks she's got |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. Brought to you by Women of Exxon Mobil-Halliburton-BP- Shell-CIA-Carlyle Group |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
88. I just wish... |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-16-08 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
92. this ad degrades many historic women |
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genna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Same problem with Obama compared to MLK, maybe Hank Aaron |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #96 |
104. which is probably why Obama wouldnt run an ad like that |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-17-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
103. "As this indefatigable woman campaigns...(w)e know that Hillary will not rest |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
105. So did anybody find out for sure? |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-18-08 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
107. Side note: Michael Jackson called... |
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