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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:49 AM Original message |
Obama Supporters: Let's Stop Pretending. |
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slinkerwink
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
1. What I'm hearing is that Obama won't eke out a win in NC, it'll be a double-digit win |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. thanks, slink |
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slinkerwink
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I know I'm right. You'll see a lot more fire out of Obama this week. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
78. If you saw his supporters here in Chapel Hill... |
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ClericJohnPreston
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Wed Apr-30-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
131. Would that be like all the images |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:59 PM Response to Reply #131 |
178. It did him a great deal of good... |
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northzax
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
117. what polls are you looking at? |
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frickaline
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Wed Apr-30-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
133. Here's a nice place for some poll data |
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crankychatter
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
2. I knew it |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. and just what is it you know? |
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mtnsnake
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
129. Knew what? |
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Schema Thing
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:53 AM Response to Original message |
6. I guess I don't get the premise you're putting up: |
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RichGirl
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
32. The Wright situation shouldn't decide the presidency. |
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Schema Thing
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:57 AM Response to Reply #32 |
49. That's a thin argument, imo |
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RichGirl
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Of itself, it is a thin arguement. |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:48 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. well, imo, Obama has nearly as much experience as Clinton |
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RUMMYisFROSTED
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. He has more legislative experience than Clinton. |
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cliffordu
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #54 |
107. Some of the these talking points sound awful familiar..... |
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Lannigan
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #107 |
121. I volunteered for Hillary in PA |
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goclark
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:23 AM Original message |
And now all of her bills are paid? |
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Cha
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Wed Apr-30-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #121 |
132. Tell hilary to stop lying then. |
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eridani
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:29 AM Response to Reply #32 |
82. Ant the Rethugs won't use Tuzla? |
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lastliberalintexas
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
176. LOL, I guess the memo has changed today |
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indimuse
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
7. k&r |
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Bake
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #7 |
120. Wow. That is a FANTASTIC pic of Hillary!! |
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shadowknows69
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
151. She looks like Neil Diamond |
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Auntie Bush
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #7 |
148. She looks like a real fighter and she'll fight for us! |
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jonestonesusa
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #148 |
155. She'll have to fight for us... |
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Auntie Bush
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. She did? Wow, I didn't know newly elected Jr. Senators had so much power. |
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jonestonesusa
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:01 PM Response to Reply #160 |
167. There's a difference between hated and criticized. |
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woolldog
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:32 PM Response to Reply #148 |
162. The only thinig she'll "fight for" is herself. |
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rox63
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:54 AM Response to Original message |
8. Obama is not going to lose NC |
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slinkerwink
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Wed Apr-30-08 05:59 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. exactly. We need to keep our chin up, and not give into the groupthink currently going on. |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Sorry, I don't have a group mentality |
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rox63
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. It's all about the math |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. yes, yes. I'm aware of the SD endorsement pattern and heartened |
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H2O Man
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. The current edition |
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futureliveshere
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Reality is that anything can happen. However when tempered with probability, it shows an Obama win. |
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RichGirl
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. Actually... |
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mmonk
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
72. I'm not sure a quote from the 1860's still applies (though I'm from NC). |
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MattNC
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
104. Looking ahead |
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TexasLady
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. Here is how I see it... |
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RichGirl
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
43. You are right. |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:50 AM Response to Reply #43 |
66. if that were true, her negatives wouldn't be so consistently high. |
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jonestonesusa
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
156. Only Clinton? |
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graycem
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
12. Well of course |
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stevenleser
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
13. I strongly doubt if he loses. But, if Hillary pulls this out by being a garbageperson |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
56. Typical to blame Hillary for the Wright issue. |
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eridani
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #56 |
84. What about her own shitstain of a spiritual advisor? n/t |
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cliffordu
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #84 |
109. Woops!! There it is!! |
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Voltaire
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
124. Did that poster mention the Wright issue? |
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stevenleser
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
141. LOL, is that what IGNORED had to say? |
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H2O Man
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:06 AM Response to Original message |
14. A week from today, |
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TexasLady
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. There ya go! |
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northzax
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
116. isn't that what everyone said before Pennsylvania? |
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BeyondGeography
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
15. An extremely dopey analysis |
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onenote
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
38. well, we do penalize HRC for losing Mississippi and SC |
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BeyondGeography
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Point is, he does have a decisive margin in terms of delegates now |
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onenote
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. No, as Cali points out, he doesn't |
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BeyondGeography
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:54 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. She's saying he's in deep shit if he only wins NC by single digits |
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onenote
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Not how I read the OP |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #47 |
77. The gear shift comes when Clinton starts winning ALL remaining states with 66% of the vote |
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hell-bent
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #15 |
61. Let's analyze those 16 60% Obama caucus wins. |
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BeyondGeography
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
142. It's called "How to Build a Delegate Lead," a little pamphlet that Team Inevitable forgot to read |
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hell-bent
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Net pledged delegates gained from caucuses |
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BeyondGeography
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #143 |
147. You're wrong...plus Colorado's a state we can actually win |
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merbex
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:07 AM Response to Original message |
16. Obama supporters on DU are feeling the earth shake with this message from |
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Avalux
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:19 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. I'm not feeling the earth shake. |
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merbex
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:37 AM Response to Reply #23 |
39. The OP is probably one of the top 5 Obama supporters as far as prolific |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
68. Oh please. |
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merbex
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #68 |
123. You are being too modest, plus, the fact remains that the point that I made |
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Samantha
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
154. Did you hear Claire McCasgill (sorry about that spelling) today? |
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woolldog
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
166. I tend to agree with you. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:24 AM Response to Reply #16 |
28. At this point, Wright is on his own, and any controversy will be his. |
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merbex
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:40 AM Response to Reply #28 |
41. The potential for more devastating stuff to come out of Wright's mouth |
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tekisui
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:45 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. More devastating stuff from Wright's mouth will be Wright's |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. It speaks to judgement: it is a real stretch to think that NONE of Wright's |
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eridani
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #59 |
87. What about Clinton's nazi-loving spiritual advisor? n/t |
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MNDemNY
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
75. Obama better hope that Wright has the same |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:29 AM Response to Reply #16 |
33. Excuse me? Obama is GREAT at faking sincerity. |
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Bread and Circus
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
19. Just be prepared for the storm, don't say you weren't warned. |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. oh, shove the faux cassandra nonsense |
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Bread and Circus
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. If you don't think the same windfall of bullshit will befall Clinton once the machine |
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SaveAmerica
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:16 AM Response to Original message |
21. Let it sink? |
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jefferson_dem
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
22. Respectfully, I disagree. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
24. I would have agreed if he had dodged the issue. But he has addressed it. |
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mmonk
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
27. He could. But I doubt it. In order for Clinton to make a good case, |
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Life Long Dem
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:26 AM Response to Original message |
29. How can you say that? Clinton supporters are going to love you. |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:42 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. First of all, I don't post here to be loved by anyone. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
30. The rational, get it. nt |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
31. (pssst ... Cali ... look over here) |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. thanks, phrig |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #31 |
60. sshhhh, I looked, too. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. (pssst ... yw) |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
40. I'm not pretending anything..... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
52. Right there with you - not pretending either |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #40 |
69. Agreed..... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
45. If the SDs overturn the people's choice |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
79. Hmm, well haven't Kennedy, Kerry and Patrick all endorsed |
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DeeDeeNY
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
146. Overall, Obama has more elected delegates |
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Wed Apr-30-08 06:59 AM Response to Original message |
51. The real question, Cali, is whether DU & the media is the real world |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
53. It certainly doesn't hinge on next week |
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AllexxisF1
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Exactly. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
55. so why didn't Clinton drop out when she lost 12 in a row? |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I was just going to say this |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
62. Well, if the SD's want to dismiss the entire race except for the last 10 contests, then |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
64. This country has so many stupid people, either of our candidates |
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Skwmom
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
67. Your post sounds just like Clinton logic. |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #67 |
83. You raise a good point--the GOP will splice together all of the stuff-- |
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Skwmom
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #83 |
97. The GOP can sink Clinton by using footage of the two Clintons. |
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cali
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. What bullshit. You're not the first *genius* in this thread |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
70. Who should argue with sound reason? Not me. nt |
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TheDoorbellRang
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
71. Three things to boost your morale |
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K Gardner
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
73. You're definitely spending too much time here. Take a break :-) |
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Barack_America
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
74. Nope. Our elections are now tainted. There are simply too many Republicans meddling... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
80. My sense is that the large AA voter pool + Research Triangle voters will carry the day for Obama by |
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MattNC
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #80 |
102. No |
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yellowcanine
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Didn't I just say that? |
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MattNC
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #106 |
111. i was agreeing with you n/t |
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liberaldem4ever
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
81. I think it's going to be OK for Obama |
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TBF
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
86. I basically agree with you Cali - |
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JohnnyLib2
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:35 AM Response to Original message |
88. K & R |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
89. I see no benefit from this post, other than perhaps you own ego. |
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woolldog
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #89 |
171. I don't care for the sanctimonious tone of the OP either. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
90. It is going to take me months to swallow Hillary |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
91. Obama IS the nominee and the NEXT President |
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Stephanie
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
92. I was confused by some of your posts before, but now I get who you are |
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onenote
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:24 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. nonsense |
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Stephanie
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. The OP has played both sides, in my experience |
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CK_John
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. And never seems to sleep. n/t |
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Egnever
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #92 |
122. WTF? |
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Stephanie
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Wed Apr-30-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. My experience has been different than yours. |
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SeaLyons
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
93. K&R |
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kid a
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
95. First obama supporter on ignore for your bipolarism - not a time for that or this unreal hyperbole |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
96. If Hillary gets the nomination from the supers over the |
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The Stranger
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
98. It's over. Obama won it. If they take it from him based on racism, then all bets are off. |
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lwcon
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Of course you're not troubled about... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #100 |
136. Why did Bill use Jesse as an example re: winning SC? |
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lwcon
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Thu May-01-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #136 |
181. Not having doubt is key to being an Obama supporter |
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lwcon
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Thu May-01-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #136 |
182. What a sad mockery of the real problems people suffer because of racism |
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kenny blankenship
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #98 |
110. If they take it from him based on racism, then the party's over |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
99. "I deplore the premature grave dancing that many hillary supporters here are engaging in." |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
103. I don't think so... I think the SD's have made up their minds...and it's too bad |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
108. If you keep making posts like this... it will be a factor. Stop using their talking points, please! |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
112. Flame bait |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
113. Would it be a good idea if he got nasty on her? |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
114. bravo, thank you for the reasoned post! |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
115. three or four times during this last year I've said: "he's toast" but each time he saved it |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
118. I feel like it's on the cusp... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
119. There are some similarities between |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #119 |
127. Obama |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
125. I agree, it's not sewn up, and the circus they started has increased |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
126. Maybe not.. Most of the SDs are probably men and men understand sports |
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Wed Apr-30-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
128. the Supreme Court is more important than my candidate preference |
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #128 |
137. first of all, thanks and secondly I don't agree about |
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Wed Apr-30-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
134. I don't think this is a fatal blow. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
135. No, everything does not hinge on NC and IN, it's the sum total that counts, |
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
138. This is my line of thinking as well |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #138 |
163. Keep in mind that in surveys, more HC supporters say they |
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Wed Apr-30-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
139. Obama will win North Carolina by healthy margin |
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Wed Apr-30-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
140. If Hillary somehow ends up the pledged delegate winner, you will have a point. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
144. It's impossible for him to lose the nomination, practically |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
145. If he's ahead by 1 pledged delegate, he must be the nominee. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
149. Why stop now? He's not going to be President. He will be the nom though, YEA! |
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Wed Apr-30-08 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
150. Certainly we should not allow ourselves to get complacent. But how is all this pessimism going |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
152. MUCH of this has to do with the BIAS of the corporate media. THEY are getting THEIR way. |
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Thu May-01-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #152 |
180. Good question.. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
153. If Obama is not on the ticket the young vote and the black vote will be history for at least a.. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
157. oh, he already won |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
158. Bullshit. It's over. He only needs 1 in 3 of the remaining supers. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
159. If Obama wins commandingly in NC or does better than losing by 6-7 points in IN, |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
161. No flames here, but I strongly believe that the pledged delegate winner should be the nominee.. then |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
164. The pretending is that Hillary |
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Wed Apr-30-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
165. Come and meet the next President of the United States. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
168. Mostly because yo lostthe faith , why in this instance you don't beeive he can bounce bak when he ah |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:04 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. Why the logo if that is your true feelings I have doubts here. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
170. Good Gawd Ahmighty! You turn on a dime! After carrying on about Obama and how you support him... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. I dunno... |
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Wed Apr-30-08 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
173. No thanks. |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
174. Great post, keeps the eyes on the ball |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
175. First time in months, but I agree with you... and I really think it's time for both to suck it up |
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Wed Apr-30-08 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
177. There's no way a candidate with her unfavorables can beat McCain. |
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Thu May-01-08 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
179. That's a reasonable take. But it doesn't make it suck any less. |
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